I have a question for you all. My five year old son loves the
band Blink 182. I have just about all of their cd's, but he
was never allowed to listen to them because of the explicit
lyrics. I finally broke down and decided to buy him some
cd's from Walmart. Since they supposedly don't allow explicit
material to be sold.

I got home and wanted to check it out. Now I'm pissed. Okay,
they take out the "F" words. They take out the word 'sodomy',
and replace it with MTV. They still have slut, bitch, whore,
and a couple others. (That was just in two songs.) I'm taking
them back. The whole point of buying them, was for the
appropriate language.

I never agreed with them censoring music in the first place.
Now, seeing the pathetic job they did anyways, I am totally
against censoring music. The whole problem was "what is
acceptable". It is NOT acceptable to leave words such as slut,
bitch, and whore on a cd if you take other bad words off.

Anyone else have a problem with this?

I've noticed this quite a bit on tv. They'll bleep something like sh*t, but leave in b*tch and Gd. That last, in particular, offends me. Personally, I think swearing, for the most part, is completely unneccessary, juvenile and shows poor intellect. (No offense intended to those who swear, it's a habit that has been developed over the last few generations, it seems.) In music, I feel it definitely has no place. It tells me that the person writing the song had nothing better to say.

I know this is really about censoring stuff, but I don't think it needs to be there in the first place. However, I agree that, if they aren't going to censor it ALL, why censor any of it?

Notice that the words they leave in denigrate women in particular, whereas the ones they take out (at least that you mention) are generic epithets...

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When my 13 year old son wants new music by a group I don't think he's mature enough for, he always brings up the "can we get it from Wal-Mart because their's are edited" argument.

I'm glad to see someone else agrees with me that what Wal-Mart thinks is edited, and what a parent thinks is edited don't even come close! At least they've made some effort, and I credit them for trying, but today's music is almost "edit-proof", unless you just want to hear the instrumental track http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

And like you I like some of today's music. Even some of the distastful stuff, but I'm 35, and he's 13. He won't understand until he has the same argument with his son.

Remember when you were a teenager, and you thought your parents were "crazy"? They said stuff like, "one day your kids will blah, blah, blah and THEN you'll understand." Man, I hate it when someone else is right and I was wrong...lol!


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Mitro,

On a positive note. Kudos to you for listening to the CD before passing it on to your son. I wish more parents were like yourself and took a real interest in what their children were watching/listening/learning/reading before (or while) their children are doing so, and not after the fact.

I personaly don't get the whole problem with sware words. There just words and have no effect on anything unless you let them have an effect. take these two sentences "I ■■■■■■■ don't like that" and "I realy don't like that" they both get the message through that something is not liked by the person talking. it's like a damn(as in a water stopper) and damn(as in the sware word) the same word just with two diferent meanings. so why is one bad and the other not? it realy doesn't matter.

maybe it's just me but that's the way I see things.

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MJ, that's awful! I agree with you about the censoring- if they are doing it, why not completely? Sheesh! DM and Sazzie, you have excellent points! I agree about the use of foul language in general. It seems to have become a substitute for thinking. No need to find the appropriate word, you can toss in an expletive! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif

And Saz's point on the words associated with women is pretty accurate as far as I have seen. That's rather worrisome. Are we teaching the next generation that women don't deserve respect?

Good thread Mitro!

Cloudy

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That thoose people censoring the music is as stupid as the ones writing it??

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Drake, the one is based on meaningless addition of an inappropriate word to the communication. The other is a completley appropriate sentence. You see that word tossed into people's speech all the time these days and it is either a fill word or replaces something that might be more interesting and would certainly show more grasp of the language. Frankly, I tend to agree with DM, it doesn't sound excessively intelligent to me when I hear a kid saying things like "F***! I f*ing loved the f*ing concert!" I just sounds like they were too lazy to think of useful vocabulary! It's so overused these days that even the 'colorful or 'shock' value seem to be faded.

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Well, I guess as long as adults with the minds of juvenile delinquint males continue to be 'in charge' of what is produced, whether it is movies or music, this will continue. I, personally, refuse to buy or see or even listen on the radio or watch on tv something so blatantly offensive and biased. It worries me as a female in today's society that people listen to this kind of drivel (no offense to those who like drivel http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif) may develop a 'blah' or even a negative attitude towards women as a result - without even realizing where it came from. Desensitization to violence, etc. is a big problem in our society these days.

And Drake: I've nothing against a person who swears, it's just that the words invoke a particular feeling. The difference in your two sentences is that the first one gives a sense of anger. Not only that, but there are so many OTHER words you could use to add emphasis to that sentence without using a curse word. I have developed an enormous vocabulary and LOVE to use it, but rarely do I swear. It's too easy. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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"meaningless addition of an inappropriate word to the communication" so was ain't but last time I heard it was added to the english dictionary as a used word for are not. Anyway that wasn't my point. what I can't figure out is why "sware words" are sware words. I mean yeah they are known for being "inappropriate" but why? why are those words considered inappropriate and not others?

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The use of most swear words are used in anger. It's annoying
to sit and listen to people talk and every third word is a
swear word.


Dam and damn are two different words. Fly and fly are the
same word with two different meanings. Any adult has the
right to express themselves any way they want to. Children
do not, nor do should they be subjected to it. That was the
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My mom always told me, "I hope your son grows up to be just
like you!" I always laughed then. I stopped laughing a couple
of years ago..http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no.../1orglaugh.gif At least the principle's a nice guy.

don't get too philosophical - this quibbling on the actual meanings of words will get you nowhere in this case. Besides, I would say that they do have actual meanings, and offensive ones at that. (this is not to say that I never swear, but I do KNOW that they are inappropriate to use and there are a number of situations which I can think of in which I wouldn't swear.) Now, as for your question, these words are considered inappropriate because of what they denote. If you call your grandmother a fuckin bitch, it is most definitely inappropriate (and that's an understatement!!), because these words DO have meaning! Now, if you use 'fuckin' in a 'meaningless' way, as in 'that was fuckin great!' (I'd argue it is not meaningless, as it's an adjective to fortify the word great, but I can see that by meaningless you mean one could just as easily use a non-swearword like 'really'), it still has the same connotations as it does in the first example. Is that so hard to understand?
Oh, and as far as I know, 'ain't' is not meaningless, it is a verbform that means the same as 'am not'. What you mean is that it's grammatically incorrect, but hey, take a look around on the Internet - what isn't? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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[This message has been edited by Melusine (edited 10-23-2001).]

I believe a society is only as good as its language skills can allow it to be. It is arguable that it was the development of an organized language that raised man above the level of the beasts. Swearing may or may not be appropriate (I argue that it is perfectly acceptable in certain settings) but in general swearing in a public forum or arena is only used by those who are too lazy to structure a reasonably intelligent comment. One of the greats from literature not sure if it was Twain or not, had a really great quote about swearing. Wish I could remember the whole thing, but the message was that any idiot can swear, but it takes a true artist to swear with style and panache. And boy am I glad that some one finally commented on the fact that DAM and DAMN are two different words. VOCABULARY get one....use it. They are great!!!!!!!

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[This message has been edited by MagiK (edited 10-23-2001).]

To be a picker of nits....we are useing the word "swear" incorrectly here.
I believe the true definition of swear is to affirm or attest to some thing. Usually swear is used in attesting to the veracity of a claim or statement.
What we are really talking about here is vulgarity and slang. Most of the common "swear" words used today are not biblicly prohibited. The "swear" words are just social faux pas' The only "true" "swear" words that can reasonably be considered sinful are those that take the "Lords" name in vain. This would include Damn, G**Damn, Jesus!, Christ! and Jesus Christ!. (note the invocation of the !) while words like ■■■■, shit and any number of references to genitalia
did not even exist as such when the bible was being written. (yes they had other words for that stuff but not the ones we use today)

Having spent over 10 years in the military I have been able to observe some mighty fine traditions, amoung which creative vulgarity was one. Of course now that the armed forces are for the most part co-ed these traditions will change, because despite what people say, women will always be treated differently from the men...unless the military evolves into Robert A. Heinleins vision of the Military in "StarShip Troopers" the movie version.....co-ed showers....what a concept http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I think that parenting and example far outweigh song lyrics when it comes to how kids learn to behave. I cut cussing out of my diet some years back. My son doesn't seem to have a problem eith it. I'll occasionally hear something that sounds like s#!t muttered under his breath when something goes wrong for him. He is, like other 10 year olds, fascinated with songs that use lots of cuss words. I just don't make a big deal of it and the fascination passes. It's a peer group thing. I remeber well enough when I was that young and everyone loved the song "Big Balls" by AC/DC. My parents didn't really allow me to listen to anything but radio, until I was in HS. I don't want to impose too many restrictions on my son. From my own experience, too much sheltering stunts a childs social development and leads to it's own problems later on. Now if I can just figure out how to make him do better in reading and spelling!

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While I was in the U.S. Army for 8 years, I had the pleasure of being a part of a co-ed unit. It was a Forward Support Battalion (HHD 324 FSB, 24th ID (MECH). I know what you mean about modifying the cursing so that the females don't get offended. The females did not modify theirs though. It wasn't really a source of consternation as much as one of humor. I confess that I struggle to not use expletives when I'm angry. Both my background in Philadelphia and my time in the Army gave me plenty of verbal ammo when I get angry. But, I found it much more satisfying to use the 10 cent words when insulting.

I won't comment on the moral fiber of children and the language they use. I'm not a parent and don't feel qualified to speak knowledgeably on that subject.



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I know the Bible wasn't written in English...which was my point as to why our current words of colourful vernacular are not particularly sinful http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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"If you can't say it in front of your grandmother, you shouldn't say it at all!" is the way my mother helped stopped me from becoming too obnoxious when I was a teen. You know why it worked? Because there were certain things I'd never consider saying in front of my "granny" even though those same things were cool to say to my friends.

It's really just a matter of politeness. Somethings you just don't say in certain groups. This is especially true if you believe it will be seen as offensive.

There are certain adjectives I don't want people to use to describe my mother. Sure they're just words, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison for killing some inconsiderate jerk http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif

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So terribly true dude http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I know what you mean about finnding new sides. I'm a single dad.
I had to take a crash cooking course. Anything I ever fixed was
in a can or microwaveable. Now I CAN cook..amazing. We actually
have a little ritual at night where we turn everything off and
light a couple of candles. He loves 'spooky' stories, as he
calls them. We take turns and tell each other stories. It gives
him the chance to use his imagination (mine too) and also gives
us a little bonding time.

Oh yeah, I just went and checked..My bible WAS written in English.
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[This message has been edited by Mitro Jellywadder (edited 10-23-2001).]

I Love Blink 182, But Im not the biggest fan of Explicit Lyrics. I Refuse To Listen To Limp Bizkit and Eminem Because There Is A F*** Every Two Words. Just Make Sure You Dont Listen To A Song By Blink 182 Called 'Family Reunion'. It takes the mick with explicit lyrics. Try listning when your son is safely out of earshot.

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Yes, I Totally Agree With Cloudy, Excessive Swearing Is Just A Way Of Covering Up A Bad Vocabulary And A Childhood Where They Wernt Hugged Much... Either That Or They Were Hugged Too Much. I do mean this seriously, if a parent Loves the child too much then the child will just think he's above rules, and turn into some kind of rebel.



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first off I would like to stress that I'm not saying that "hey your wrong!" I'm just expressing it how I see it through my eyes. secondly I might be a bit repetitive in this post repetitive in this post, but that's just because I want to answer all that was said...and I mean all.


DragonMage, I personaly find that it's the tone of voice that deturmands weither anger is invalved or not. and yes there are other words one can use but there not as fun http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif ok realy yes there other words but what I'm trying to stress is that it doesn't matter wheither you say "that's fucked up" or "that's messed up" unless you let it matter.
picture this your walking down the street you see some kids about ages 12-15 you hear them talking one says "oh now that's ■■■■■■■ funny" and you hear another say "oh now that's rather funny" would you think that the one that said ■■■■ is any less smart or that he is any differnet in anyway? if so why?

Mitro Jellywadder, "The use of most swear words are used in anger" I suppose it all depands on where you are cause here and most places I've been there are usualy used for jokes and to stress meanings. "It's annoying
to sit and listen to people talk and every third word is a
swear word" that's what I'm talking about it's only annoying because you let it get to you.

example 1. "last night I was watching this documantory on some tigers in the wild and in that documantory they showd to tigers having sex. After that there was a program about sewage managment inwitch they showd how much crap is dump out per day."

exqample 2. "last night I was watching this documantory on some tigers in the wild and in that documantory they showd to tigers ■■■■■■■. After that there was a program about sewage managment inwitch they showd how much shit is dumped per day."

not exactly what I would call a lively conversation but I think I'm making my point. different words same perppose. ■■■■=sex shit=crap
so it's your choice to get annoyed if some one uses ■■■■ instead of sex or shit instead of crap.

"Dam and damn are two different words" I was talking about how it's said, but oops sorry I try will watch my spelling.

"Any adult has the right to express themselves any way they want to. Children
do not, nor do should they be subjected to it" first off, I REALY think that children have the right to express themselves(and I don't mean going against there parents wishes)I mean in how they act, dress and think. As for being subject to it, I don't think there is much choice in that matter. they will hear and see it in school, tv and yes music. just because there is a blip sound does not mean they will not be subject to the meaning. any one with an IQ of 2 can tell what was going to be said anyway.

Melusine, "don't get too philosophical - this quibbling on the actual meanings of words will get you nowhere in this case" I can try can't I? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif "I would say that they do have actual meanings, and offensive ones at that" uh it's like I have said some where in this text that it's only offensive if you let be or if it's ment that way.
"If you call your grandmother a fuckin bitch, it is most definitely inappropriate" well yeah and I'm not saying it wouldn't. I'm just saying that it's not the fact that you used the words fuckin bitch that's bad, it's the fact that you said something bad at all. If you used the words sex having female dog. it would be just as bad if you said it in anger.
"if you use 'fuckin' in a 'meaningless' way, as in 'that was fuckin great!' (I'd argue it is not meaningless, as it's an adjective to fortify the word great, but I can see that by meaningless you mean one could just as easily use a non-swearword like 'really')" thank you!!! finaly some one has a small idea of what I'm trying to say!! yes!
"ain't' is not meaningless, it is a verbform that means the same as 'am not'. What you mean is that it's grammatically incorrect" hehe oops :o

Magik, "in general swearing in a public forum or arena is only used by those who are too lazy to structure a reasonably intelligent comment" first off, there is NOTHING wrong with being lazy http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif . some of the most intelligent people I've met have had a real proble spelling, so they use other words to stress there points. not nessesarly swear words but other less intelligent words.

Sir Kenyth, "He is, like other 10 year olds, fascinated with songs that use lots of cuss words" I don't know your kid but maybe he and other 10 year olds are fascinated with the explicit lyrics because they are considured explicit.


uh ok I'm done, sorry for being so repetitive but I'm in a typing type of mood. and remember that this is just the way I see things, I'm not saying that any one here is stupid or just flat out wrong.

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I have no problem with swearing in music as long as I don’t have to listen to it. Swearing is used in place of proper lyrics when people cant think of anything appropriate to put. Sometimes swearing in music can be appropriate but very rarely so and certainly not more than 1 swear word per song.

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To answer your question to me, Drake dear: I guess it's just that I find that MOST of the time, I don't see the point in cussing. Saying a 'dirty' word (as they are viewed by society) is usually for attention-getting purposes. Even if YOU don't mean it to be that way, society in general is going to disapprove. Now, if someone runs over your foot with a car, I agree, even I'd offer up an invective.

However, MOST of the time, these words are used to get attention or to be ugly. I don't think someone who cusses is ignorant, but it certainly makes the person swearing SEEM so. I appreciate a better usage of language (any language) than that. You know good and well that these words are considered 'bad', but some may use them NOT for making a point or in the extreme. I'm not saying don't ever swear. I'm saying - use in moderation or risk appearing childish and/or foolish for the rest of your life. Most mature people (which includes teens, too), see my point. I'm sure you do, too.

But I also see your point. They are just words. Most of them are in the dictionary. But should you use them in daily life....frequently? No. Use your intelligence and express yourself better. Even eminem admits he only swears to get the attention to his music. Sad, that. That the 'popular majority' of our youth seems to WANT to hear swearing in their music.

And lest you think I point fingers - yes, I cussed like a sailor (behind my parents back) when I was growing up. The thrill was in out-cussing your friends and in doing what you knew your parents disapproved of. LOL!!! There's nothing wrong with that, imo, so long as it doesn't become such a habit that it invades and takes over your vocabulary. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif As I got older, I realized people were offended by me and didn't want to be around me for my foul mouth. They also wouldn't take me seriously or treat me in an adult fashion. THUS the reason I point this out to you, lest you have the same problems. Okay? Friends? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I disagree with you on this point http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif Not saying your wrong, just that I disagree. There is everything wrong with being lazy, if you are brilliant and lazy you never reach your potential and are wasting your abilities. Waste is a loss. Waste is bad.



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I didn't take anything you said personal, I just wanted to explain
my side on your points. (The dam thing was more of a wisecrack.)

Thats a tough one... I dont agree with censorship and I think blink are too much for a 5 year old.... but the records are played all around, music channels, radio etc. In a lot of cases the children dont understand the words so they have little effect but I would rather not subject my daughter (a year younger than your son) to the words. I own the cd myself and quite a few others that are too strong really for the little ones.

I have sworn in the car only to have it parroted back to be. In that situation I ignored the word and changed it to a different one and explained that I was being mean. My daughter told me off ... I stood chastised.

I think I will keep her on the pop records for a while *smiles* even if they grate on my nerves *wide smile* its better for her!

They are only words, they are not going to hurt you... or your kid.

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DragonMage, ugh this is just ANOTHER one of those things I just have to say kaput to and exept that the rest of the world(with the exeption of about 5 people)will not see things in the way I like things seen. bummer. oh but no I don't think I have that problem with cussing nor do I think I will ever, I've just known a lot of good people who do\did and things tend not to turn out to good just because of the way he\she speachs http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif . I've seen it happen where there's a good idea brot forward by some one with a bad mouth and it be rejected in a heart beat. then the same idea being accepted when brot forward by some one else. I just tend to see it a little stupid that a present sent in one package will be rejected but the same gift sent in a different package will be accepted with thanks. and I've seen parents punish there kids for listening to some music that had a few bad words in it... ugh now I'm wandering, back to what I was saying. I'll just accepct it like SO MANY other things an live with it. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

BTW ofcours, still friends and Neils very happy to see himself back too... http://www.contrabandent.com/pez1/up...d/vambunny.gif

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I wasn't seriuos about the "nothing wrong with being lazy" remark(note the http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif part of it) and I happen to agree with you it is a very very BIG waste.

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In The Short Run, No, But In The Long Run, He May Say The Wrong Word To The Wrong Person, And Get Into A Nasty Fight... Or Am I Just Paranoid??

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I truly do see your point, my friend. Unfortunately, I had to find out the hard way that, potty mouth=not listened to (by most people). I, personally, can filter through the sludge, but I prefer to listen to someone who isn't spouting profanity. I do hope you at least see my point, if not agree with it. It's just not necessary. It becomes a bad habit, like biting your nails. Only people won't refuse to be around you for nail-biting, but they MAY avoid you for swearing too much.

But I DO have friends who are inveterate swearers. I don't judge, I just don't like it. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif (((hugs)))

Mitro Jellywadder, why would let those words bother you?


does any one know why these words are declared "inappropriate" realy I find it hard to believe that some guy just said "I don't like the word shit, lets make it bad" then every one said "yeah ok"...no I'm shure that's not the case. so does any one know? if there comes an answer to this I think it might be useful for you parents out there to tell it to your kids then maybe they will see a better reson for no cussing. I mean with all the atheist running around now of days it's hard for the "you'll go to hell" threat to work. j\k http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif

wow that joke made me feel better, even if it was lame.


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see your point? agree with it? well...
"potty mouth=not listened to" yes point seen and agreed with.
"It's just not necessary. It becomes a bad habit" yes point seen and agreed with.
"I prefer to listen to someone who isn't spouting profanity" well I can see that maybe you and manyu others don't like it but personaly I could care less wheither they cuss or not.
so in other words...yeah I do see and agree with you. I just don't like it.

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