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THE NEW SCHOOL PRAYER > > > > > This was written by a teen in Arizona. > > Now I sit me down at school, > Where praying is against the rule. > For this great nation under God, > Finds mention of Him very odd. > > If Scripture now the class recites, > It violates the Bill of Rights. > And anytime my head I bow > Becomes a Federal matter now. > > Our hair can be purple, orange, or green, > That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. > The law is specific, the law is precise. > Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. > > For praying in a public hall > Might offend someone with no faith at all. > In silence alone we must meditate, > God's name is prohibited by the state. > > We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, > And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. > They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. > To quote the Good book makes me liable. > > We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, > And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. > It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, > We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. > > We can get our condoms and birth controls, > study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. > But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, > No word of God must reach this crowd. > > It's scary here I must confess, > When chaos reigns the school's a mess. > So, Lord, this silent plea I make: > Should I be shot; My soul please take! > > Amen > > > ------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/mask1.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/hero2.gif <font size="3"><font color="red">We must NOT tollerate Terroism</font></font> [This message has been edited by AngelofDeath (edited 09-27-2001).] |
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Having done bible reading AND some of that other stuff, I'll take the witchcraft every time...... http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ------------------ http://www.asnsoup.com/silvercheetahfinal.jpg Ascended Mistress of Illumination [This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 09-27-2001).] |
I actually agree up to a point. We are allowed all kinds of freedoms EXCEPT to pray aloud in certain places. Guess we only have 'partial freedom' in some ways.
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Oh I don't think the States are all that bad. I went to Maine last month and had a fantastic time. A lot of Americans don't realise how nice their own country is. I've been to every continent of the world and find the US one of the best http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
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BTW - good point in your other post re: schools not likely to allow a covening. No, we have to go hide behind trees and in basements. Alas! That's all right, I prefer to woods anyway! Brings me closer to the forces of nature. ------------------ http://sc.communities.msn.com/tn/02/...sSite/2/4a.jpg http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/hero2.gif The day we stop learning is the day we start dying!(c) Owner/operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan. Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force Honored to be a member of the Illuminati - may the Light shine forever! Mage extraordinair. Occasional minion to Gwhanos the Fluffy Hopeless Romantic *sigh* "Allright! We'll call it a draw." [This message has been edited by DragonMage (edited 09-27-2001).] |
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The problem with the poem is that it states a popular bit of untrue political propaganda -- namely that it is illegal to pray in school. No Supreme Court opinion has ever held that, or any american law said that. What the constitution forbids is state sponsorship of a religion to the exclusion of others. That applies to All religions equally, Christianity and the others. And THAT is what certain fundamentalist christians who continue the above propaganda really object to. Their real beef is that they want Christianity recognized by the state as a sort of official amercian religion, and are frustrated by resistance to that idea. The propaganda is based in part on erroneus claims that american was founded on Christian principles or as a Christian nation. What formed the political entitity known as the United States, through its best and noblest aspects of law designed to maximize freedom, were political philosophies born from a meeting of liberal political philosophies from Europe such as the English philosopher John Locke's social contract theories with a wild and vigourous strain of freedom born of the anarchistic frontier and Indian influence, for instance the Iroquois confederacy, a personal study of which profoundly influenced Benjamin Franklin's (who was of course one of the key figures in the Revolution) ideas on democracy. Christianity had little or nothing to do with the political principles which the US gov't is founded on. |
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Re the more serious point you're making - aha! The whole thing went straight over my small Cheetah head, just like Concorde....... Thought it was a bit odd actually, the States being the Christian place they are... but I thought it best not to open the floodgates by posing any sort of question. Poems about religion...... ho hum. Hey, shall I post one of my poems some time?? I do dirty doggeral or sweet and sensitive. What would you prefer? ------------------ http://www.asnsoup.com/silvercheetahfinal.jpg Ascended Mistress of Illumination |
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The original pilgrims were primarily Quaker, were they not?
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Not to mention the mental picture of a naked cheetahmorph dancing around a fire in green wellies.... To quote DragonMage, you are too much, and too much is just enough! ------------------ http://sc.communities.msn.com/tn/02/...Site/2/17e.jpg |
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By the way, I have sent 'THE TEST' to DragonMage, Dio and Ramon, so you don't have to. Now we wait in eager anticippppppp ation for their scores. ------------------ http://www.asnsoup.com/silvercheetahfinal.jpg Ascended Mistress of Illumination |
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On, on, to excess! Carpe Noctem! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif ------------------ http://sc.communities.msn.com/tn/02/...Site/2/17e.jpg |
I never knew that there were THIS many wiccans around, I thought you were a religion without many followers, but judging from the amount of wiccans I meet on the web, there must be lots of you, I'm partially wiccan myself, I believe in the christian god and in Jesus, but I follow the wiccan "Do what you want, as long as it harms noone" and I believe that whatever you do is returned to you three-fold.
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How can we support 'christian' prayer in school when our nation is all about diversity? We cannot allow the desires of the majority (christians) to override the rights of the minority (muslims, jews, atheists...)! Sure our country may have phrases like "In God we trust" and "One Nation under God" but again these are supported by the majority, but not everyone. One way to look at this issue is from the minority perspective. The issue is not about the majority having the right to pray (they do) just not in a mixed belief crowd, b/c that is discriminating against those that do practice the majority belief (Christianity). ------------------ http://www.bestanimations.com/fantas.../dragon-04.gif Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig I've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time Bossman of Better Funny Stuff.....of the Laughing Hyenas! |
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Hey, let's hope you're of the same mind after I've dragged you all round Brighton http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif Sea, and Pavilion, and Pier, and Tea at the Grand Hotel (with a very old pianist who bows if you clap), and my Studio, and the Forest, and the Other Pier (which is horrible), and ooh, loads of things! (And the cafe with the mega cakes http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ) [0/QUOTE] I am quite positive I will only want more http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif |
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Thanks for sharing that Alex. Too often it is easy to take one's own surroundings for granted. |
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For once, I completely agree with you. How does it work? Are there different sets of worship for different faiths, or does everyone gather together to worship, all in one place, but each in their own way? That would be cool!! ------------------ http://www.asnsoup.com/silvercheetahfinal.jpg Ascended Mistress of Illumination |
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What was that line from the simpsons: Organized religion has no place in a public school just like facts have no place in organized religion! |
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My parents are both wiccan. I am atheist.
I find it offensive that any religous practice should be foisted onto any child - so therefore I think that Christian prayer should not be a part of the usual secular school day. I am in favour of religous freedom and diversity, recognising all sectors as equally valid. ------------------ http://www.gldb.com/wayno/e1.jpg Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. Epona of The Laughing Hyenas Proud winner of the 'Most Useless Post 250 Has Ever Seen' Award 2001. "I'd just like to thank my friends and family, without whom none of this would have been possible..." |
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Well I, for one, agree wtih the orginal posts. I am christan and think it should be taught in public schools. Or maybe it could be an "optional" class. That would be cool.
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