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You have bound to heard of all the shark attacks on the eastern US coast. So I ask this you what do you think of it?
Whats causing them? maybe more importantly: WHY do people keep going to the beach, I mean by now everyone has bound to heard of it, so why do they keep getting in the water? It dosent take a genuis to figure out that if you get in the water then you have a good chance of getting bit by a shark. There have been 38 shark attacks this summer. 38! So whats your take on it? ------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...Rangereyes.gif So if in the forest look behind you, because that where the ranger is going to be The ranger looked at the place out side of the elven town near the river, he looked near the rocks, then they showed the way .... Grand-Jester of Laghing Hyenas Currently in service for the Red Wizards |
i say its caused by the increasing ability of the American people to overlook any facts that have been found and take stupid risks for their own enjoyment. that, or theyre just baiting them! i mean, im willing to bet that theres some kid making a whole bunch of sharp movements and commotion and stuff in the water, and i refer to those kids as 'shark bait'.
i spent about a week in Panama City, FL this summer, and there were no shark attacks while i was there (Lord knows i tried to fake a few tho http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif ). and that was surely because nobody was stupid enough to try to bait one to come as close as they could (or if one of the 'shark baits' did, i wasnt anywhere near him). ------------------ It's simple. Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury. The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet? Think how much energy would be gathered! Ha, ha, ha. And at the center of that injury, wil be me. All that boundless energy will be mine. By merging with the energy of the Planet, I will be come a new life form, a new existence. Melding with the Planet, I will cease to exist as I am now. Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every living soul. http://www.angelfire.com/games3/impg...ernateseph.gif Super Sephiroth, slayer of the Uber Fluffy, and battle co-ordionator and defender of the HADB clan. |
Actually, I think that certain beach vacationers don't take the time out to educate themselves re sharks. Mainly sharks come out and feed in the morning, and then at sunset. I remember last year being at the Outer Banks in North Carolina, and around 6:00pm, all these four inch long fish stared just swimming and jumping out of the water all around me. At that moment, I thought to myself, I feel like I'm in the shark bait LOL, so I got out. I have to wonder if all these shark attacks have been occurring in the morning or the evening, and if that IS the case, then it is again, general knowledge not to go into the sea at those times, but I could be wrong. Maybe these attacks occurred at unusual times of the day, so no way for the public to know when it is a safe time or not to swim in the ocean. Definitely surprising to hear so many shark attacks this year no doubt.
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Actually, the shark has just become the new "pitbull" of the media. Anything that they find that can stir up fear, they will report on. Let's face it, shark stories sell. I do, however feel that these shark feeding dives for the sake of giving tourists something to do is a bad idea! It is common knowledge that no aggressive wild animals should be fed. This will lead to sharks losing their fear of humans, and start them actually seeking them out, as they associate them with food. As far as sharks becoming more aggressive, I don't think that is the case. It has just become a hot topic, so we will now here about every attack worldwide instead of it just being local news. This from MSNBC: The number of shark attacks is increasing over time, not because sharks are becoming more aggressive but because there are more people, and swimmers, on the planet. Worldwide there are probably 70-100 shark attacks annually, resulting in 5-15 deaths. The numbers are rough because data from some countries is poor. Historically the death rate was much higher than today, but the advent of readily available emergency services and improved treatment has greatly reduced the risk of mortality. ------------------ http://hometown.aol.com/amandaisflir...mtbrand=AOL_US Proud new member of LH! [This message has been edited by Liliara (edited 09-03-2001).] |
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"I have been swiming for 15-20 years out there, and I have never seen so many sharks all at once" ------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...Rangereyes.gif So if in the forest look behind you, because that where the ranger is going to be The ranger looked at the place out side of the elven town near the river, he looked near the rocks, then they showed the way .... Grand-Jester of Laghing Hyenas Currently in service for the Red Wizards |
Lets face it people, iF we're gonna take all their food, they are gonna try and take it back, even if it has to be foul tasting human, (to a shark we don't taste very nice) already the cod stocks in the north sea are depleted, almost to extinction.What else is a shark supposed to eat!
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Well this is a coincidence. As I reply to this thread, the news just came on. Guess what? Yet another shark attack in Avon, North Carolina (in the Outer Banks just where we always go on vacation). Man is dead, his wife is severely injured and in the hospital. Freaky. Again, I don't care what anyone says, it IS unusual, as I have gone to Virginia Beach and the Outer Banks for years on years. And the Outer Banks is actually rather uncrowded on the beach, always has been, so it's not because there are more people.
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My take? Sharks love Americanshttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
Liliara, you must know that Sharkfeeding sessions consist of feeding NON-maneaters. Divers engaging in such activities are strongly warned NOT to even touch the sharkfood (usually bloody fish), but are encouraged to touch or even pet the sharks as the move by. Most of these sharks are too small to actively seek out and hunt humans, and their diet mostly is restricted to small fish and anything else they can find thats small enough to eat. Most people are'nt stupid enough to go diving with say, Tigers or Great Whites, or Bulls or Makos, but the species that they actually DO dive with are mostly harmless reef sharks, or smaller varieties. But you guys are right in that some people just radiate sharkbait aura so much that they might as well be bleeding from every orifice and be dressed in horribly bright colours while swimming http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ------------------ Resident Lurker Guy |
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I saw on the natinol inquire that:
"Cuba Launches Shark Attacks!!!" http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif ------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...Rangereyes.gif So if in the forest look behind you, because that where the ranger is going to be The ranger looked at the place out side of the elven town near the river, he looked near the rocks, then they showed the way .... Grand-Jester of Laghing Hyenas Currently in service for the Red Wizards |
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WASHINGTON, Aug. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- With the "Summer of the Shark" rapidly approaching its end, a pivotal meeting of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWCC) will convene on Sept. 6 at Amelia Island (near Jacksonville) to decide the fate of marine predator feeding tours by commercial dive operators. In preparation for that meeting, the Commission is continuing its internal review of "Marine Life Feeding Guidelines for Interactive Marine Experiences (2nd Draft)" prepared by its own staff and released for public review last week in accordance with instructions laid down by the FWCC at its May 2001 meeting. Today however, spokespersons for the Florida-based Marine Safety Group (MSG) and The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), the nation's largest animal protection organization, bluntly characterized this latest blueprint for industry self-regulation as "purely cosmetic" and called once again for a wholesale ban on marine wildlife feeding in Florida waters. "These latest guidelines are strictly voluntary -- nowhere do they mandate any change in marine wildlife feeding in Florida, nor do they provide any new protection for either wildlife or people," said Bob Dimond, president of the Marine Safety Group. "If the Commission fails to ban this irresponsible activity, how will anyone using Florida waters ever feel safe? How will they know where dangerous marine predators are being aggregated and behaviorally altered to associate people and boats with food?" Dimond continued. Despite the recent rash of shark attacks in Florida, the closure of popular surfing and swimming beaches, and the associated loss of tourism dollars, at least six (and likely many more) tour operators have been regularly feeding and aggregating dangerous marine animals like sharks, barracudas and moray eels in Florida waters in recent years -- in many cases at or near popular swimming beaches, surfing areas, and dive sites. According to many experts, feeding has increased the risk of attack for swimmers, surfers, and divers who, in most cases, are not even aware that they are recreating in dangerous waters. Over the past 15 years there have been numerous injuries worldwide -- many of them severe -- to ocean users at or near marine predator feeding sites. While shark feeding proponents have tried to justify marine wildlife feeding tours by touting them as a form of "environmental education" that dispels negative myths about feared creatures, Dimond calls such a characterization nothing more than a marketing scheme -- self-serving hype to justify commercial exploitation of wild animals. "In fact," adds Howard White, director of media relations for The Humane Society of the United States, "the message conveyed to the public by these tours -- that it's okay to feed, touch and even ride marine wildlife, to turn these wonderful creatures into trained circus tricks in the interests of a fast buck, is diametrically opposed to the most fundamental wildlife conservation message: observe but don't interfere. Keep wildlife wild." "It has been, and remains, the stated position of both The Humane Society of the United States and the Marine Safety Group that the feeding of marine wildlife constitutes an unjustifiable endangerment of wildlife, coastal ecosystems, and recreational users of our coastal waters," said White. Contact: Howard White of The Humane Society of the United States, 301-258-3072 (phone); e-mail: hwhite(At)hsus.org; Web site: www.hsus.org ------------------ http://hometown.aol.com/amandaisflir...mtbrand=AOL_US Proud new member of LH! |
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I am thinking that SOMETHING has changed.. either the Sharks are evolving in a odd way, or they now (Since more attacks) they now have a taste for flesh of humans.. (Not kidding) some Sharks will bite humans, then ONLY want to eat that.. don't know WHY.. I personally will go out on a wild theory: PROZAC. As some of you MAY know, Prozac is almost the #1 Drug selling in the USA, and once taken, it leaves your body as it came in (Body doesn't absorb it) and it passes out as urine.. meaning: It ends up in the ground water, and many are worried about this... See, all this road rage, Child killing Child killings, mass murders at the office and crap, nearly EVERY SINGLE one of those people were on SOME type of Prozac. And I am thinking that since we have had entire barges dumb raw sewage into the ocean, the prozac MAY be screwing with the sharks minds as well. I know it sounds far fetched, but weirder things have happened. ------------------ Ziroc™ Ironworks Webmaster www.tgeweb.com/ironworks |
Liliara, I do concede that you've done your homework, but I dont know where in that article it says that dangerous sharks like the Great Whites and Tigers are becoming more and more aggressive as a direct result of sharkfeeding off Florida coasts.
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I love to fish everyone. But I dont put myself in a situation where I will be bitten. Sandbars are a great place to catch all kinds of fish. Sharks know this to. Enough said.
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Sometimes I wonder if it is possibly lack of food for the sharks?
I mean, let's face it, we humans net tons of seafood out of the ocean. And the more humans born on this planet, the more people there are, so obviously the more want for food will be there, and humans will take more than ever. We are eating this planet alive, taking everything out for our own consumption, whether we truly "need" it or not. Nothing is sacred anymore. And let's not forget all the oil spills and pollution that must be killing many fish species. Maybe we have gotten to the point where sharks find themselves now hard-up for grub? Or, could be one shark gets a leg off some human on the beach, and communicates to the other sharks about it (they must have some type of communication I'd think), and so then, as Conan put it, "Sandbar" turns into a human snack bar by word of "mouth" literally? Or, again, maybe the Navy's new sonar devices have been disturbing the ocean. I know that it is a theory that when whales beach themselves, it is because the Navy's new sonar (which emits hundreds of miles outward into the ocean) is turning whales' sonars all akilter, to where they don't know which way is up anymore, e.g., beaching themselves. Would this type of thing also cause stress and/or agression in sharks? Who knows. And yes Ziroc, your thoughts on Prozac and other toxins invading the waters may also be another possible reason. Either way LOL, I SWEAR, next time I go to the beach, I'm takin a weapon with me! I'll have something to shove down that shark's throat, but it won't be a piece of me! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/stealthy/KungFuGal.gif http://exit3.i-55.com/~casual/Ladyzeke/Ladyzekke.gif |
LadyZekke, I think you're on to something. The US Government has been doing experiments for a few years with those waves, something called TESLA waves, if I remember rightly. It seems that they were inadvertently disturbing the whales' and dolphins' frequency patterns, and literally driving the poor critters crazy!
I wonder if something like that is happening with the sharks? Annapolis, where they conducted the first TESLA experiments, is pretty close to the Eastern Coastline. BTW, did you see now there's a shark attack in Virginia? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/uhoh2.gif Or is that the N.C. attack you were referring to, LadyZekke? ------------------ http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/saz.gif |
Here's some information on the same topic, LadyZekke:
...Shortly after the whales came to visit with me I was told that the US Navy was conducting sonar experiments in the whale's breeding ground. They were deliberately targeting four species of whales including the humpback and the grey whales to determine how loud they could blast the sonar (LFA or LFAS) before the whales showed some sign of avoidance or unusual behaviour. What deeply alarmed me was the loudness of the equipment. The US Navy Low Frequency Active Sonar is millions of times louder than a 747 taking off and causes great damage to the immune system with injuries similar to being microwaved. At the Navy testing volumes, let alone full deployment volumes, it shears tissues, collapses organs and causes adrenal and brain damage. At close range it can pulverize any living being. The US Navy equipment can produce well in excess of 240 dB sound levels. By "blasting" the sound into the oceans they have been killing whales, these sound levels depending on the frequencies will cause internal bleeding and death and in human much lower levels around 160 dB have permanently debilitated USN divers. Anybody out on the waters saw how distressed the whales had become and one team observed a calf flipping out in the water for hours until it presumably died. All the autopsies done on the whales have not been made available for independent evaluation and the evidence has been destroyed. To this date the USN continues to deny this evidence despite court hearings, testimonials and the evidence that they must have seen for themselves. ... Donna Wieting, Chief; Marine Mammal Conservation Division; Office of Protected Resources; National Marine Fisheries Service This is going on...quite possibly, if there is testing going on in the Atlantic right now, it could be affecting the sharks. ------------------ http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/saz.gif |
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Yes, just this past weekend a 10 year old boy died from a shark attack on Virginia Beach, and then yesterday a couple in North Carolina, Outer Banks (about 6 hours or so from where I live, but we go there often in the summertime). Guess the couple both were battling the shark. Man died, his girlfriend lived with critical injuries. No bystanders actually saw a shark, but of course it is presumed that is what it was. Two people at once! Again, I say tis unusual! I really feel for that woman who is the survivor. Imagine what it must be like to watch your loved one die in such a violent way, perhaps even he was trying to protect her. And it seems most of these attacks, not just in VA, but all over the east coast, have occurred in shallow waters, like 4' deep. Sheesh, I remember for years on years I swimmed as a child and a teen in the ocean waaay out there, and never did I ever encounter a shark, nor did anyone else, nevertheless right out in the frontlines in shallow waters. Again, sharks seem desparate for food? Going beyond the usual barrier? (fondling my shark's tooth necklace, knowing at least one of em won't be gettin me heehee) :p Just saw your recent post Saz, yes, this Sonar that the Navy had developed not only goes miles and miles outward, but takes weeks to finally end it's journey, so it just MUST affect all sorts of living creatures in the ocean along its path. And once you disturb these things, maybe even in a permanent fashion, there is no telling what will occur next. Every Action has a RE-Action. I truly hope I am just being paranoid, and my thoughts will end up being unfounded. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/stealthy/KungFuGal.gif http://exit3.i-55.com/~casual/Ladyzeke/Ladyzekke.gif [This message has been edited by ladyzekke (edited 09-04-2001).] [This message has been edited by ladyzekke (edited 09-04-2001).] |
<font color=orange>Where is Turbovee when you need him. I would love to hear his opinion on all this, since he works with dolphins in the navy.
Personally, I think the shark's food sources are being depleted and they are having to swim in closer to shore, where they are mixing with more and more people. A recipe for disaster! I'm glad we didn't take a vacation this year and go to the beach. It took me years to get over the movie JAWS and now this! Oh BTW... GO VOLS!!! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif </font> ------------------ Sir Taliesin http://www.dabros.com/images/sigs/giant.gif If they take my gun can I still use my Axe? |
Just heard on the news two more attacks today.
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Sir Taliesin - Yeah, I already talked to Turbovee about this before months ago on MSN, and he is also in the Navy. He agreed with me. Unfortunately he has no personal power to change what the Navy does even if he is in the Navy.
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Holy CRAP! Saz, you are right! Also, another NEW Project just started testing last year by HAARP,( http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/ ) They are using ULTRA High Freq's in the water.. testing communication system.. using salt water as the 'conductor' or sorts. MANY people have said (Navy people) say they see Whales running away from the area when the signal is on. And more black project crap.. You may have hit it on the head.. these signals COULD have driven them mad.. Leave it to us Humans to ruin yet another thing http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif ------------------ Ziroc™ Ironworks Webmaster www.tgeweb.com/ironworks [This message has been edited by Ziroc (edited 09-04-2001).] |
Perhaps Humans the world greatest nature destroyers. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif
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I think it's a plot by the sharks for years they have let us Americans get fat and plump up now it's time to feast http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
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------------------ http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...Rangereyes.gif So if in the forest look behind you, because that where the ranger is going to be The ranger looked at the place out side of the elven town near the river, he looked near the rocks, then they showed the way .... Grand-Jester of Laghing Hyenas Currently in service for the Red Wizards |
Perhaps it is nothing more than a freak occurence. Why is it that when things change drastically there always has to be a 'reason'? We are not sharks, we do not think like sharks, we do not reason like sharks...we have spikes in the number of bear attacks, the number of murders, the number of car accidents, etc...no real reason behind it, it is just a spike. Maybe if the shark attacks keep increasing then it is a worry, but right now it is nothing more than a deviation from the mean. Who knows, next summer there may be no shark attacks? Will we then start analyzing why no sharks are attacking???
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Maybe its just the weather..
This whole thing about sonar and high-freq waves reminds me of the GI Joe episode where Cobra uses a machine with high-freq waves to control the world's animals.. Okay sorry Ziroc's Gobots thread got me into a whole cartoony mood! ------------------ Resident Lurker Guy |
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As Ladyzekke said, you need to understand the dangers. In Oz we have shark nets way out to sea (that don't cover the whole area btw) We also have shark watcher lifeguards and shark alarms that go off. Mind you the shark alarms go off and the swimmers come in, but the surfers stay out (gotta catch that wave). Then out goes a boat of lifeguards to scare off the shark. Also it's worth remembering that humans are more dangerous to a shark than the other way round. When was the last time you heard of a group of sharks coming onto land, grabbing humans off the street, cutting off their arms for "human arm soup", and then throwing them back, leaving them to die? ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... http://www.animfactory.com/animation...ing_lg_clr.gif A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
Its just nature. That is their home, and they are feeding. They are the predators, and we just happen to be in their way. They arent looking for anyone in particular. By learning more about the behavior of sharks, we can avoid the chance of becoming part of the food chain.</p>*\Conan/*
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Of course, the sharks have been eating the humans too. Hmmm . . . flesh, blood, water -- a type of soup, no? And they do just take an arm or leg, and leave the rest to die. Hmmm . . . maybe not so different after all http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif |
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Never heard of this problem. Is it a recent escalation?
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I remember last year it twas the same thing, shark attacks happening in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. But dang! When you don't live near an ocean, and only get to visit it once a year, you REALLY want to be in the water! So we went in anyway! The incredible LURE of the ocean is really something to me. I wish I could live on the oceanside, and behold it every day, and feel it's winds, and breathe in it's salty atmosphere on a daily basis. Sigh. Dunno, last year the tides were so rough. I'm talking white water crests everywhere on the shoreline 100 feet out. Dunno, I guess I thought that sharks wouldn't be in all that roughness when I went in last year, would be swimming round the calmer areas. I have to wonder how calm the seas were when these people were attacked recently this year? May also make a difference. I mean, last year, if I wanted to get past all the cresting waves, I had a long row to hoe man, gettin slammed on my arse and thrown four feet backwards quite a many a time! Was kinda fun actually, hehe. Remember grabbing this raft and trying to get on it when a wave came in next to me a good three feet above my head, crested right on top of my head. Think I spun around underwater head-over-heels in a ball about 7 rotations LOL. Came up on shore coughing water looking like so much seaweed LOL. But I get off the topic here... Yorick! You say humans are more dangerous to a shark than the other way round! Well, guess it depends eh? I mean, if you are a human in the water, your movements are much slowed, and in comparison to a shark, you are completely vulnerable. I mean, take you and a shark fighting on land, of course, you could punch and kick and run, etc. and ultimately win. But, in the water, your punches and kicks are hugely slowed, and have little impact on a shark. And as for running, well, good luck on that one... Go for the eyes Boo go for the Eyes!!! Yaaaaaaaaahhhh! ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/stealthy/KungFuGal.gif http://exit3.i-55.com/~casual/Ladyzeke/Ladyzekke.gif |
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