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Sazerac 08-30-2001 01:54 PM

Since we have a lot of new members here, it may be a good idea to consider some of the basic rules of "Netiquette": the act of posting courteously. Even for us veteran posters, this bears notice. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

1) Remember that above and beyond all things, this is a public forum. Your words are here for anyone who is a member OR visitor here to read. Please bear this in mind when making posts to the forum.

2) Remember that this is an international forum. We have valued members here from all over the world, not just the United States, even though Ironworks is hosted in the US. Consequently, not everyone's native language is English. Please refrain from making comments about people's grammar and spelling. Even if their native language is English, they may have problems typing or may have dyslexia. Grant them the courtesy you would wish to have. After all, we all make typos!

Conversely, do edit your posts. No one wants to straggle through a bunch of badly spelled words and improper grammar. If you know you have a problem with this, use a word processor to compose your posts, spell and grammar check them there, then copy and paste them into IW.

3) Along those same lines, also grant posters the "benefit of the doubt" when posting. There are vast cultural differences here; people with different senses of humor and points of view. Try not to automatically assume that someone is being insulting. It could be humor on their part. On the other hand, for humor, use the smilies. Annoying as they are, they help convey additional clarity and meaning in the posts.

4) Remember first and foremost that the other members here at IW are HUMAN BEINGS with feelings and sensitivities. We are not amorphous, faceless "blobs" in cyberspace or characters (bits and bytes) in an online game. Give everyone here the respect you would like to be shown. Have fun, but be courteous!

Simply stated, behave on-line as you would in person. Watch what you type and how you word potentially volatile statements. Assume that what you say will be taken in the worst possible way, and that if someone is upset enough by it, it will come back to haunt you.

5) Finally, be forgiving. Just as you are trying to balance your valuable time with a desire to get your point across as respectably as possible, so are others doing the same. Sometimes it's all-too-tempting to tear someone apart for an obvious grammatical error, misspelling, or blatant display of stupidity. What we must keep in mind, though, is that what we are reading is only one small piece of the person on the other end, who is typing away just like we are. Perhaps s/he was uninformed--or in a hurry--or simply made a mistake. Regardless, each person is deserving of more than one chance before judgment is passed. If someone initially strikes you as inept, allow him/her another opportunity to confirm your judgment. And if you can't suppress a response, a kind word or two of advice in a helpful tone will leave a much better impression than a verbal barrage will. Always give the benefit of the doubt, and be kind with criticism.

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Zeeke75 08-30-2001 05:01 PM

Well said, Saz. I agree completely....and if I've ever violated any of those rules, let me apologize to anyone I may have offended! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Yorick 08-30-2001 05:03 PM

Very good post mate. Deserving of the title moderator you certainly are. Kudos brother.

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Ziroc 08-30-2001 05:45 PM


Thanks Sazerac, all excellent points!


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Ladyzekke 08-30-2001 05:51 PM

Good post Sazerac! You make an excellent moderator, and are just a darn nice guy, I'm glad to know ya! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Sazerac 08-30-2001 06:20 PM

Bless all of you! Just FYI, this thread was not directed at anyone or any particular thread. I've noticed several new people on board, and just to allay any misunderstandings that could arise, I wanted to post this.

Zeeke, you're fine, like everyone else is here. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif And I'm danged glad to see you here again! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

LadyZekke, I'm glad to know you, too, and to be able to call you friend! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Rikard 08-30-2001 07:22 PM

2 reasons for this post
first is the bumping purpose

also another thing that i think should be add

When someone says he's serious about something, do not make fun of that
even if the subject might appear to be a "fun-subject" at start this line should tell you it isn't
Respect he says in this case and be sensitive to his feelings



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Lifetime 08-30-2001 08:50 PM

Saz, you make a great Nanny(check Neb's post if you dont know what I'm talkin about)

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debiler 08-30-2001 08:58 PM

A must-read. Good work, Saz!http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif The most vile insult I ever was confronted with at the IW was "cheeky bugger". I think thatīs quite within the limithttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Sazerac 08-30-2001 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifetime:
Saz, you make a great Nanny(check Neb's post if you dont know what I'm talkin about)



I know *cringe* I saw myself on a couple of those! I think a lot of us may see some of us in those descriptions...that's why they were so funny! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/noncgi/smiles/485.gif




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Fljotsdale 08-30-2001 09:54 PM

Well said, Sazerac! I think everyone in here is good about sticking by those points, which is great, 'cos newbies often take the tone of the regulars.
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WOLFGIR 08-31-2001 04:45 AM

Arrrrgh!!! Blasted (j/K) http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
I have to go ruumaging through all my posts and fix all thoose typos!! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif (hehehe) Well, hopefully there will be less when I get a fullsized keyboard instead of this mini-keyboard! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif (Donīt hold ya breath though! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif )


Good points however hehe!

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Link 08-31-2001 05:27 AM

This is indeed a very important posts. Even the members who have spent a long time here already ( you could read that as Link http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif) should take their time and read all the stuff Saz has put up here. Thanks! You're the best!

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Lifetime 08-31-2001 07:57 AM

So Saz..did you port your desktop onto your bed next to your sleeping wife in order to come up with those rules? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Donut 08-31-2001 01:40 PM

Very good post Saz. If i might add my 2 euros.

I don't want to appear patronising here but we have quite a few young people on the board. Most of them are mature beyond their age but some are not. A couple of posts on the board from younger members today have left me cold with their callousness.

Please bear in mind that some people have less experience of life and the outside world than others, they speak from the hip before thay have a chance to think. By all means nudge them back onto the correct path but don't flame them for their indiscretions.

I'm off to the pub, the weekend starts here! BTW my sig really rocks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Kaz 08-31-2001 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donut:
Very good post Saz. If i might add my 2 euros.

I don't want to appear patronising here but we have quite a few young people on the board. Most of them are mature beyond their age but some are not. A couple of posts on the board from younger members today have left me cold with their callousness.

Please bear in mind that some people have less experience of life and the outside world than others, they speak from the hip before thay have a chance to think. By all means nudge them back onto the correct path but don't flame them for their indiscretions.

I'm off to the pub, the weekend starts here! BTW my sig really rocks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

*whispers: "don't be so obvious"* http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif
I definetely agree to all the rules. And, by all means, DON'T FLAME NEWBIES, EVEN IF THEY MAKE STUPID MISTAKES (as you see it)! When I first came to this forum (2 weeks ago http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif ) I was so shy that a flame might have scared me away forever. And EVERY newbie makes stupid mistakes.

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MagiK 08-31-2001 02:42 PM

Wow, Kaz! Over 300 posts in 2 weeks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif nice to meet ya http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Sigmar 08-31-2001 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by MagiK:
Wow, Kaz! Over 300 posts in 2 weeks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif


Sigh, You're going to overtake me pretty soon Kazarahttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gifWelcome MagicK enjoy your stay here at Ironworks.

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Kaz 08-31-2001 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by MagiK:
Wow, Kaz! Over 300 posts in 2 weeks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif nice to meet ya http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Hi MagiK http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/wavey.gif
I managed 100 posts in 24 hours last week - I stayed up till 3:30 a.m., got 5 hours sleep and then started posting again http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif
This forum is addicting! But fun!! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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AzureWolf 08-31-2001 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donut:
Very good post Saz. If i might add my 2 euros.

I don't want to appear patronising here but we have quite a few young people on the board. Most of them are mature beyond their age but some are not. A couple of posts on the board from younger members today have left me cold with their callousness.

Please bear in mind that some people have less experience of life and the outside world than others, they speak from the hip before thay have a chance to think. By all means nudge them back onto the correct path but don't flame them for their indiscretions.

I'm off to the pub, the weekend starts here! BTW my sig really rocks http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif


Er was I one of these?

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Donut 08-31-2001 09:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AzureWolf:
Er was I one of these?


No Az.

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AzureWolf 08-31-2001 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Donut:
d No Az.


Awwwww jeez now Ive gone and ruined my perfectly evil reputation

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adam warlock 08-31-2001 09:28 PM

good job Saz! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no.../xyxthumbs.gif you, more or less, covered it the subject!

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Silver Cheetah 09-01-2001 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sazerac:
Since we have a lot of new members here, it may be a good idea to consider some of the basic rules of "Netiquette": the act of posting courteously


Thank you very much for this, Sazerac. It's very useful, esecially as I am very new to the forum, in fact, it is my first experience of posting altogether.

Since I began posting a week or so ago, I found Fljotsdale in particular very helpful and friendly indeed, in telling me how things worked, and what NOT to do!

I would also like to say this is a wonderful forum, it seems to me. I don't have anything to compare it with - but find it heart warming that people are so friendly and helpful, generally speaking. There are also many interesting and/or fun topics being discussed. Kudos, many of them, to moderators and members alike. It's a whole new world!!

Kaz 09-01-2001 11:33 AM

And remember: We were all newbies once! (except for our omnipotent God Ziroc, anyway http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif )

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Cloudbringer 09-01-2001 01:15 PM

Bumping

CloudMama
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Rikard 09-02-2001 06:13 AM

Scary....

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Cloudbringer 09-02-2001 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Rikard:
Scary....

HEHE...more than you know, my pretty, more than you know.. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif

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Rikard 09-02-2001 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Cloudbringer:
HEHE...more than you know, my pretty, more than you know.. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif


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Blade 09-02-2001 12:43 PM

About the mature beyond your age thing i wonder about that. All of us teens are pretty idiotic at times (no affense meant to anyone) but that is what makes us teens right? I haven't seen any overly mature teen lately can you tell me where to find them? I want to meet them. Also thanks for the rules they were stated clearly and it makes life more fun if people follow them.

Rikard 09-02-2001 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Blade:
About the mature beyond your age thing i wonder about that. All of us teens are pretty idiotic at times (no affense meant to anyone) but that is what makes us teens right? I haven't seen any overly mature teen lately can you tell me where to find them? I want to meet them. Also thanks for the rules they were stated clearly and it makes life more fun if people follow them.
There's often a Misunderstanding about maturity
I know people who call themselfs more mature then me because i can act really childish some times just for the fun of it (among other things my obsession for cute and overly fluffy stuff) That does however not mean i'm not mature
People who say that about me are often people who try to act like there friends act and try avoid everything that can even look remotely childish, In my opinion that is not mature
Being mature is to feel when you have to be serious and when you can joke
being mature is to know about life and know about the feelings of other
being mature is when you can act like an adult When you have to
And when it comes to that i think I myself am quite mature for my age
and so is Jerome and Melusine (who can act like an 80-year old http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif)and a lot of other teenagers in here
Being Mature is not to act like your life is over and you can't have fun, Being mature is know when you can have fun and when to be serious



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Blade 09-02-2001 04:59 PM

Didn't meen to affend but it seems like all the teens in my area aren't mature and i haven't gotten to know anyone in hear yeat. Besides i like porcilen figuriens and that is considered childish by some to. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif and thanks for the great definition of maturity i haven't thought of it besides the stereotypical in a long time guess i should.

Gwhanos, Lord Of Evil 09-02-2001 07:39 PM

good postage...... seriously...

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Rikard 09-02-2001 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Gwhanos, Lord Of Evil:
good postage...... seriously...


That's the kinda stuff i mean
If i talk about fluffies or something, It's all fun and I'll kill you and bast you and stuff
And when it has to be serious i can be serious and so can a lot of others here
I personally find nothing really childish.

BTW i forgot to mention Ertai who is 19 but if you look at his posting... He 120 http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif



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Sazerac 09-02-2001 09:13 PM

Rikard, thanks for that great definition of maturity! You are so right, it has so much more to do with how you perceive and react to situations and how you handle yourself. Character comes with maturity.

I collect pewter figures myself, and I'm 38...I certainly don't think that makes me immature. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif



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Donut 09-03-2001 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rikard:
Quote:

Originally posted by Blade:
About the mature beyond your age thing i wonder about that. All of us teens are pretty idiotic at times (no affense meant to anyone) but that is what makes us teens right? I haven't seen any overly mature teen lately can you tell me where to find them? I want to meet them. Also thanks for the rules they were stated clearly and it makes life more fun if people follow them.
There's often a Misunderstanding about maturity
I know people who call themselfs more mature then me because i can act really childish some times just for the fun of it (among other things my obsession for cute and overly fluffy stuff) That does however not mean i'm not mature
People who say that about me are often people who try to act like there friends act and try avoid everything that can even look remotely childish, In my opinion that is not mature
Being mature is to feel when you have to be serious and when you can joke
being mature is to know about life and know about the feelings of other
being mature is when you can act like an adult When you have to
And when it comes to that i think I myself am quite mature for my age
and so is Jerome and Melusine (who can act like an 80-year old http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif)and a lot of other teenagers in here
Being Mature is not to act like your life is over and you can't have fun, Being mature is know when you can have fun and when to be serious


Thank you Rikard - you saved me from having to respond to Blade's point.

Being mature doesn't mean you have to be serious all of the time. Sometimes I like to be 'childlike' and that carries a totally different meaning to being 'childish'.



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Melusine 09-03-2001 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rikard:
Quote:

Originally posted by Blade:
About the mature beyond your age thing i wonder about that. All of us teens are pretty idiotic at times (no affense meant to anyone) but that is what makes us teens right? I haven't seen any overly mature teen lately can you tell me where to find them? I want to meet them. Also thanks for the rules they were stated clearly and it makes life more fun if people follow them.
There's often a Misunderstanding about maturity
I know people who call themselfs more mature then me because i can act really childish some times just for the fun of it (among other things my obsession for cute and overly fluffy stuff) That does however not mean i'm not mature
People who say that about me are often people who try to act like there friends act and try avoid everything that can even look remotely childish, In my opinion that is not mature
Being mature is to feel when you have to be serious and when you can joke
being mature is to know about life and know about the feelings of other
being mature is when you can act like an adult When you have to
And when it comes to that i think I myself am quite mature for my age
and so is Jerome and Melusine (who can act like an 80-year old http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif)and a lot of other teenagers in here
Being Mature is not to act like your life is over and you can't have fun, Being mature is know when you can have fun and when to be serious

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Thanks a lot Rikard, I'm 21 so technically speaking very much NOT a teen http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif
*sigh* and I agree, I do feel like 30, 40 or yes, even 80 sometimes http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif - but that's when my ME is especially bad http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...s/rolleyes.gif

LOL that said, I think that was another splendid post and I agree that people like Javi (who's also technically not a teen but can be delightfully naive sometimes http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif), Jerome, Lioness and you are some of the best, most mature, intelligent, well-spoken, and NICE teenagers I've ever met! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif



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Rikard 09-03-2001 12:21 PM

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Thanks a lot Rikard, I'm 21 so technically speaking very much NOT a teen http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif
*sigh* and I agree, I do feel like 30, 40 or yes, even 80 sometimes http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif - but that's when my ME is especially bad http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...s/rolleyes.gif

LOL that said, I think that was another splendid post and I agree that people like Javi (who's also technically not a teen but can be delightfully naive sometimes http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif), Jerome, Lioness and you are some of the best, most mature, intelligent, well-spoken, and NICE teenagers I've ever met! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gifhttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif


How is your ME now?
getting any better (less)?



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Blade 09-03-2001 12:27 PM

Looks like i steeped on a couple of toes http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif but when i was refering to not knowing any mature teen i was talking about where i live not in the forums sence i don't know whos a teen and who isn't in here. And I agree with the 3 definitions of maturity that quickly folowed my mistake of not clarifying myself.

John D Harris 09-03-2001 12:37 PM

Glad to see you Blade,
I lived for four years in Ellensburg, miss the snow.

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