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Hey, what's the deal? With the "Testosterone Home"? Do you guys even realize what you're saying in there? And how any woman reading it might be made to feel??? And it's so much worse because I do consider some of you friends... Even close friends. Would any of you call a black person a n#gger? Or a retarded person a moron? Or a deformed person a freak? Well, some of the things said in there are just as ugly. And just as hurtful. You may rationalize that it's okay because it's 'just in fun', but hurting other people isn't fun, no matter how you label it!
We started the Ladies Guild because, as Reeka said, there are so few of us female types to you male types... It's hard to try to catch up to eachother, and this was a way to do it. On the first page of both mine and Reeka's thread, we were flamed for it! Don't give me any bullshit answer that it was all in fun and wasn't meant as flaming. Maybe some of you should head on over to TeamBG! From what I've seen over there, this would be a far better place for you! I'm sorry. Yes, I am mad about this. Mad enough to say F#CK IT! And walk away without a backwards glance. But I have too many ties here, and this place has come to mean much to me. I've put up with all the hurt feelings and all the controversy and all the other crap because of this, but I'm thinking that this is just TOO MUCH! Yah, you can chalk it up to PMS if you want. Call me a bitch 'cause I have the nerve to speak my mind. But at this point I really don't give a shit. I have worked in a man's industry for most of my life. Seeing and knowing and having to deal with my male counter-parts getting sooo much more for their 'C' average effort then I get for my 110% simply because they're male is a reality for me! Something I deal with on a day to day basis! And, no, it's not at all funny! That shit in that thread and the flaming in mine and Reeka's thread isn't funny, gentlemen. It's ugly and it's hurtful. I would say, "Take it over to TeamBG! They will probably worship you for it! We don't want it here!" But why f#cking bother??? I'm outa here! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/noncgi/smiles/mad.gif ------------------ Proprietor of The Moon's Hope Inn Conspirator...Um, I mean, member of the Ladies Guild Smitten by The.Relic http://www.phpshop.net/images/slackerboy/waveface2.gif |
Maybe you should post this in the offending thread so you can be sure they see it.
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Well said LadyRae, although if it were me writing the reply (and it's not), I'd have toned down the language a bit -- no need to inflame things further.
Fortunately most of the thread has turned into a discussion of rugby. Let's hope it stays on that topic. -- send them over to TeamBG -- that's just evil . . . LOL http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif I know. Please don't send me there again. Please. ------------------ Most Subtle Official Straightman of the Laughing Hyenas -- Grammarian Brigade. |
Yea dont let a few bad jokes on the first page keep you away its mostly rugby and crap now.
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As my name is at the top of the "offensive" thread, I feel it would be appropriate to reply. Granted, I can see how some of the comments could be offensive, but remember, the way to change attitudes is by education, not simply condemnation. I myself may not like everything that is posted here, but within the limits of my moral compass I will defend an individuals right to free speach.
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Too bad that this is to be my first post on the re-opened Forum...I haven't even had the opportunity to post before and thank Dan for his tremendous efforts....
Anyway, I'm sorry LadyRae but I have to see disagree with you...I have read the thread you're referring to and found nothing insulting in it, as a matter of fact I thought it rather funny. " Would any of you call a black person a n#gger? Or a retarded person a moron? Or a deformed person a freak? Well, some of the things said in there are just as ugly. And just as hurtful." I have found nothing of that graveness in the thread, or it must be that someone has added things that I haven't read. Personally, I am more offended by some of the sugary-sickening love-talk that's been going on in some other threads. Of course, maybe I missed something that was truly offensive and if so, I apologise. I also know that people react differently to things, and I respect that. I'm just saying that to me, the Testosterone thread was pretty innocuous. ------------------ Melusine, Archbabe of the OHF and the LH http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/mel1.gif Your voice is ambrosia |
After reading your post again, LadyRae, I do tend to agree with the replies above, that you could have toned your language down a bit. I'm not being prudish or anything, but this is the Ironworks forum, and it is such a great Forum precisely because - among other things- we don't use swear words on it. That would be exactly the Team BG attitude you talk about. We've had this Forum for a long while like this, the friendliest and best discussion forum that I know of, and I hate to see this happen.
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Right you are, were all friends here.
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I read and re-read the thread and it merely looks like guys being guys to me! Thinking about guys being guys, I really expected it to be a lot worse!
No harm in them talking about South Park, passing gas and having women cook and clean for them (and I am sure the sextoy mentioned is a blow-up doll) http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif At least they are doing it in their own room! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif Moni http://members.aol.com/lasttrueprincess/images/ltp4.gif |
Moni, thanks for that post, my point exactly!
And Dreamer, jammergenoeg blijkt dat niet echt uit onze geschiedenis http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif... maar leuk om over te na te denken http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ------------------ Melusine, Archbabe of the OHF and the LH http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/mel1.gif Your voice is ambrosia |
LadyRae, I really cant see what your so pissed about. Theres really nothing THAT bad there. Actually a little tamer than I thought it would be. Lighten up eh?
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LadyRae, I'm sorry if there was anything in the Testosterone thread that made you feel unwelcome, I'm sure it wasn't the intention of the posters on that thread. There are a couple of off-color sexist jokes from people for who English is not a first language, and I agree that's not acceptable and could offend, even though I'm positive, knowing the people involved that the intent was not malicious at all - they were probably "hamming it up". It's certainly not representative of everyday behaviour from male posters in that thread, who are always very courteous and respectful of others.
Other than that it's mostly just about sports and beer and stuff like that, unless I've missed something? http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/confused.gif I also couldn't see any flames from people on your or Reeka's Ladies Guild thread? I thought the tone and banter was very friendly throughout. In fact, the only flame I can see is yours up above. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif Losing your cool and swearing your head off at people isn't the best way to resolve things. In a less mature place, such as the forum you mention above, they would've invited flames back and the root cause of the problem would've been buried under all the flaming and everyone would've lost and nothing would've been resolved. I'm certain that no-one here would deny you guys the right to form your guild, or any guild, male or female, for that matter. We want this to be a comfortable place for everyone! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/genwalk.gif http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/memname.GIF [This message has been edited by Memnoch (edited 04-29-2001).] |
Guys, male guys, I can understand why LadyRae got angry. Please listen. It is very true that some professions still hold a good many more men than women. Mine is, I am a computer engineer. And it is also very true that, as a result, as a woman working in such a profession, you find yourselves living in a male's world. More so if you happen to play computer games. It's my case. And when you hear these little jokes you made on the incriminated thread, again and again and again every day, sometimes it grates on your nerves, because it bites a little self-confidence out of you. The point is, these jokes weren't intended to be sexist BECAUSE THEY CALLED FOR A SIMILAR BANTERING FROM US WOMEN.
But put yourself in LadyRae's shoes for just one moment. Imagine : you are at work, and outnumbered 10 to 1 (yes, this is my case), your manager is a woman, your manager's manager is a woman (yes, in the 21th century, they still choose a woman as a manager rather than a man !), 9 out of 10 of your colleagues are women, and everyday at the coffee machine you are surrounded by women bantering among themselves with all the same little jokes, every day, every day. You see ? They are NOT intended to make you feel bad, but they wear you down, a little every day. And when you are so badly outnumbered, sometimes it is hard to banter back ... Imagine further - you had one of these days at work, your colleague got a promotion and you didn't, although you are every bit as competent as she is (but you are a male) - you come home, wanting to put all that behind, light your computer ... and you find yourself in the middle of the same bad jokes. Again. So you get mad ! And everybody around says "Hey ! What is wrong with him today ? What I said was not THAT bad !". No, it was not THAT bad. But you come on top of a HEAP of the same 'not that bad' stuff. Now, she got mad at YOU guys because she thought YOU could understand - generally, we don't even bother to get mad, because when we do, it gets worse - 9 men out of 10 persons around, so statistically around 3 of the 9 men start saying that, sure, we can't expect women to bear the same stress amount than men, sure. Please try to understand please. ------------------ http://fc1ddq.free.fr/stan2.gif The world is my oyster ! |
Moiraine, that was a very well phrased post, and I can only say that I wish LadyRae had picked her words as carefully as you have. Thank you for replying, as I think what you say is very true. However, while I have had less pleasant experiences with men, I am not in the least offended by the concerned threads. Whereas I would be offended by truly rude/sexist comments from people I do not know, these were slightly off-colour remarks by board members that I know and trust. Therefore, I am alright with it. It *does* matter to me whether the jokes/comments are meant to be serious or not, and in this case they clearly were not. I really think that LadyRae's clourful language is equally offensive to most people, especially to nativespeakers (Dutch people use a lot more English swearwords than the English themselves do http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif). Anyway LadyRae, I hope you will reconsider the last of your post ("I'm outta here") as it is not worth it, and would be a shame.
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Well, I will say that after having read both threads through (and the Ladies' Guild thread as well) that I found nothing overtly inflammatory on the "Testasterone thread" or the "Ladies Guild thread". What I did find is a lot of rather sophomoric behavior. (Sorry, my opinion). And, you're right, the Testasterone thread has degenerated (or risen, I should say?) into rugby-talk, which, since I'm in a country that doesn't follow rugby matches, I am not at all interested in.
LadyRae, I am deeply sorry that your feelings were hurt, and I do hope you choose to remain here. The Moon's Hope Inn is your baby, after all, and one of the most popular threads here in GD. On the Ladies Guild (or Men's Guild, or Kid's Guild, or Old Hippies with Long Beards Still Into Gaming guild)...I'm not sure what this is all about. We're a community here, all. Every one of us. Such guilds do no more than divide us. Just for curiosity, what are the goals of the Ladies' Guild? What do you hope to accomplish by having a guild that no men may join or post to? If there is a legitimate reason, that's fine, but what I see in it is nothing more than someone drawing a line in the dirt and saying, "I dast ye to cross it! No boyz (girlz, kiddz, old hippiez) allowed!" I'd truly hate to see all of us breaking up into such groups. And then we wonder why flaming occurs? In the workforce, I believe such specialty organizations are necessary. The Women's Business Leaders Association, along with various ethnic business leaders associations, have long existed to help members of minority groups gain a foothold in an enterprise world that is stacked against them. I am in full support of all such organizations. But I have seen no "squelching" of anyone on this board by the nature of race, gender, creed, or other type...other than a preponderance of "BG" threads. Should I start a guild of "Non Baldur's Gate players...no BG player may join?" See how ridiculous it is? This is a FUN place. In Cyberspace, where race, gender, creed, etc. are supposed to be invisible and non-binding. But what do I know. I'm just a jaded old male gaming hippie. Just my opinion. http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/saz1.gif |
Let me also say one thing more...every person on this board, regardless of any personal characteristics, is important to this board as a community...and important to me as a friend or a potential friend.
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OK, This is what I wanted to read first thing in the morning...
we love you, LadyRae! don't be mad... ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/rudedawg.jpg The RudeDawg Known in these Forgotten Realms as Perin LightEyes |
Melusine, I want you and everyone on the board to know that LadyRae and I have talked about the 'sugary-sickening love-talk' and because we do care about how other people feel on the board feel about it, we both decided to stop role playing a romance here. If anyone who we have unintentionally offended has visited the Inn, they will notice that LadyRae and I have not been romancing since the board re-opened.
Moiraine, I do want to thank you for supporting LadyRae's position and trying to word it in a way that would hopefully stimulate thought from the womans standpoint. I am a man, and apparently am one of the few that found the need of the 'testosterone' commentators to invade the 'lady's guild' thread and make what I also felt were inaproppriate comments. I also feel that while it may be true that many of the statements in the 'testosterone' thread were intended as pure fun and jokes by the posters, that they were still disrespectful and demeaning irregardless. Just as many people were stronly offended by the romance that LadyRae and I were involved in at the Inn. No LadyRae and I had no intention of hurting or offending anyone, but the truth of the matter is, that we anadvertantly did, and we put a stop to it. Smitten by LadyRae http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/blitz1.gif |
Personally I found no offense in the Men's Thread. Guys are guys and a few barefoot and pregnant jokes are far from being racist. I actually am getting a kick out of reading their thread. Of course, I also respect everyone's different opinions on the matter, as we are all different people from different walks of life.
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Can't we all just get along?
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Now THIS is discussion. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif Let's keep the tone like this, and nut this all out in a civilized, reasonable way, so that EVERYONE is happy. No-one should feel like they lost out because of this. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
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*Heavy Sigh*
Ok, I am sorry, but I didn't see anything in the Testosterone Home thread to offend me. I looked again just now to be sure, as I had stopped reading early last night. Lots of rugby talk and such. A few silly or off-color remarks...a joke about 'sextoys' but not directed at anyone in particular or even mentioning women in conjunction with it. I will add that I am VERY aware of the issues Moiraine describes and have in fact pulled duty as a Sexual Harassment Advisor for my division (21 academic departments)in the past. I myself, have lived some of those unpleasant events. So I will add that if a comment is made directly to a woman (or a man!) and that individual finds it offensive, vulgar or upsetting, it is treated as harrasment at my workplace. That said, I hasten to point out that no individual or individuals were flamed or insulted directly, that I saw. Unless I missed something? But in fairness, I must say that I'm sorry LadyRae did feel insulted or ridiculed when reading that thread. Her feelings count, even if we don't see the reason behind them. So, LadyRae, I hope you can get past this series of postings and continue to enjoy the board. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I may be being presumptuous, but is it possible that you had all that unpleasantness from the workplace and the world at large building up and when you saw the Testosterone thread it was the 'last straw'? I hope you can feel good about this place again soon. Cloudbringer ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight Heart Mind Soul Forever |
OK, my $0.02
As a child, I was paralyzed, from my chest down, for 2 years. Yes, LadyRae, people did call me a freak, and worse. Kids at school would tip over my wheelchair, and laugh while I tried to squirm back to it. Adults would ignore me, assuming that i was mentally challenged because my body didn't work. Singling out someone because they are different is wrong. This cuts both ways. If I had been deferred to, singled out in a nice way, it could have kept me from trying. During my therapy, I was taught that by my actions I could overcome the problem. It took seven years, but, eventually, I could walk, run, swim, and even compete in those events. I another vein, I am an American with a Mexican heritage. (Check my photo on Stealthy's) English is my second language, and I was raised in an environment that leaned to the Mexican side. Now, as an adult, I have heard EVERY Mexican joke out there. My friends still call me Manuel Labor when they need something moved. I have been handcuffed, and pulled out of my car, because I am the wrong color in the neighborhood than I was driving through. My clients (I deal with retirees) still mention that they always liked to hire Mexicans on their ranches, because "you're such good workers, and cheap too." The secret to dealing with this is to build on it. Let it build your character. Grow. But, most importantly, KNOW WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE. You are loved, and appreciated, here. Don't let a few thoughtless comments upset you. WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS. Remember, friends step on each other's toes because we stand so close to each other. Don't push us away. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/tdo9.gif We love ya! ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/rudedawg.jpg The RudeDawg Known in these Forgotten Realms as Perin LightEyes |
Brilliant post, RudeDawg, and thanks for sharing!
NOW I'm off to bed. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/genwalk.gif http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/memname.GIF |
Oh God RudeDawg your wheelchair days sound horrible! The mental picture I got truly broke my heart! So sorry you had to go through that. It sounds like you have overcome quite a lot of enormous obstacles. From what I can see from my end, you have triumphed over them valiantly. You have my true respect. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
During my 35 years on this earth, I have witnessed many forms of human degredation, some aimed towards myself, being female and very small. The stories I could tell! These experiences though has helped me grow stronger as a person, and also I am able to discern (well, for the most part) from true racism and just words not meant seriously. I try to make it a point to be as forgiving of people as I can, as we are all just imperfect humans. Again, I totally respect everyone's opinions on this topic regardless. That is what makes this forum so special, as we can all disagree on certain issues, and still remain friends. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/stealthy/KungFuGal.gif |
RudeDawg
Bravo! Much of what happens to shape us, is in our perceptions of things. How we use our experiences and learn from them is what makes us each unique. CB ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight Heart Mind Soul Forever |
Remember the opening image from Conan the Barbarian
A black background, and the words appear: "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" - Friedrich Nietzsche It sounds weird, but I am truly grateful for those days... I learned to be thankful for what I have. If I wake up, and my legs are working, I'm happy. I could be broke, and sick, and alone. But I would be happy, because I know what I have... I am eternally grateful for that attitude. That's why I feel bad that we upset LadyRae. I know how easy it is to feel singled out, and attacked. And , because I know that we all respect her and her friendship, it pains me that we ellicited this reaction. I hope that you, LadyRae, KNOW that we meant no disrespect, or pain, from our thread. ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/rudedawg.jpg The RudeDawg Known in these Forgotten Realms as Perin LightEyes |
RudeDawg
You have a very nice way with words. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I understand all to well what you are saying. I have not shared all my sorrows and pains with the board but the ones they have seen are ones that made me stronger. I know what you mean about being glad that those bad times did happen, and surviving them! They made me who I am today. Those bad times helped me to truly appreciate the good ones. To appreciate what I have and to know that there are others in the world not as fortunate as I am. May we all learn a little something from each other. May we all grow a little in each others company. Cloudy ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/bestow~1.jpg Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan Storm-Queen StormCloud of the Black Knight Heart Mind Soul Forever |
RudeDawg, wow man, you rock, I am truly grateful you are here with us. http://www.tgeweb.com/images/forum/icons/xyxthumbs.gif
I would add, I didn't feel in the least offended by the posts in the men's thread, because they didn't come from just anybody, they came from friends I know and appreciate. They just called for some response from us girls with the same tone ! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif But I could understand why LadyRae could feel agressed by them, so I tried to explain why. We all have our good days and our bad days, after all, and there are days when we are not in the mood for 'sexist' jokes, even if we know that they don't reflect the true thinking of the men who tell them. ------------------ http://fc1ddq.free.fr/stan2.gif The world is my oyster ! [This message has been edited by Moiraine (edited 04-29-2001).] |
I appreciate everyones feedback on this thread. I know that LadyRae expressed a lot of personal feeling in her post, and that her emotions could affect the way that people responded. I do believe that the issues she addresses regarding the treatment of women in general in society and the workplace are very valid, and should not be ignored. Thanks to everyone for posting your opinions here.
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LadyRae, I am sorry if I caused offence, this was truly never my intention, and I'm sure no one elses either. I have reread the posts and found them to slightly less funny now, and I think Memnoch was right when he mentioned 'hamming it up'. However, unless I've missed something, I don't think I found anything too close to the line, but a lot was quite tasteless.
(someone aim a swift kick in my direction if I'm wrong, I need one from time to time). No words of wisdom, only; please don't go, pretty please. RudeDawg, great story, sad/happy/poignant/inspiring, good on you for getting through it all. I can only think I've been very lucky so far, and will do my best not to take it for granted. |
What a difference a forum can make! Its so nice to see how a sensitive and emotional subject can be discussed rationally. I hope LadyRae has read these replies, as there are many good points. I personally don't see too much wrong, but we musn't forget that many of our members may have experienced unpleasant incidents, which casual remarks can bring to the fore again.
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Melusine, You are welcome. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
LadyRae, Let me add to that I feel bad for you that your feelings were hurt. I have never had to live in a world where the competition between men and women in the workplace was an issue, although I do remember years in a warehouse where sexual harassment was a big issue and I felt like I had to walk on eggshells when talking to certain men on breaks because they were looking for any target to turn the tables on the harassment they subjected others to and were in trouble for. It was a rotten feeling to know that people you were once friends with would look to sacrifice you to get their selves out of trouble! RudeDawg, Man, You DO Rock! I am so glad you raised yourself up after all you suffered at the hands of others to become the wonderful guy you are today! I know what you went through in a way but not nearly to the extent to which you were tortured. I had severe whiplash after an auto accident, I mean so bad, my spine was "S" shaped. I could not stand up straight for months nor could I walk very fast because I had also cracked a bone in my leg just below my knee. I had to walk a two mile round trip to buy groceries through the city and when I took too long getting through the crosswalk, (bent over and limping at the age of 24) people would honk, yell, give me the finger, call me a freak, a crip, and a gimp, among other things. People suck and I am sorry you ever had to suffer the way you did. Some girl at my son's middle school used to get thrills by kicking his crutches out from under him when he had a cast on one leg up to his hip. The last time she did it, he swung his crutch at her and knocked her out cold but got suspended for hurting her. She was never once punished for the harassment she dished out so easily. Says something about the way the people in authority view abuse too. It is sad, just sad. Love, Hugs & Peace, My Friend, I am happy to know you! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif Moni http://members.aol.com/lasttrueprincess/images/ltp4.gif |
WOW, I'm humbled by the nice things y'all have said about me.
I was just trying to use my experience to make a point, albeit an extreme one. I understand LadyRae's view, and wanted to share this with her. Thanks, I do hope that it made me a better person, but I'm sure I'm not as nice as y'all are making me out to be. I do have many insights about my personal "Times of Troubles", that add up to a very encouraging viewpoint, but if you'd like to hear them, post to me in my story thread, "The Forging". I'd think we should re-focus this thread to the isue that LadyRae brought up. Speaking as someone who is in the Men's guild, I know that I shall be more discreet with my posting. We love ya, LadyRae. Forgive the children that reside in men!!! (As a 32yr old child,I have no problem admitting my immaturity at times) ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/rudedawg.jpg The RudeDawg Known in these Forgotten Realms as Perin LightEyes |
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i have a little problem... my life seems to degrade on its own. I happen now to fight it, but alas the more i try to, the it degrades... and a long lost past that i have to get, you guys are luckier than me coz you only battle for this and not really your own personal, real life. if you think this is a great insult, look deeper. this is nothing compared to all the others out there... so please, dont have to fight over a simple yet complicated matter.
and lady rae... i was also thinking that... society itself can be the root of all evil... not money... i mean, it is US who taint money in some poor guys head... and if you express an opinion, try to have sex with a guy, or whatever, you are called a bitch- hence us men, when we do the same thing, people look up and say, "YEAH!" it is sickening... blame society for all that is happening. not money, nor technology... it is how the people, US use it. ------------------ http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...es/bahamut.gif I...AM...BAHAMUT...BUT I AIN'T NO TIMEKEEPER...AN' IM A MONSTER...RAAARRGHH!!! http://publish.hometown.aol.com/tobb...s/sephlove.gif |
I wanted to reply to you all and, yeh, not go away mad. Your reactions are just what I thought they would be, especially the women's. And, yes, I do apoligise for the lauguage used and the anger that I didn't try very hard to 'lighten up'. Thank you all for your responses. And Special thanks to RudeDawg, my newest friend here and to Moiraine, one of my first friends here.
Rudy, I know your heart was in your tale of the awful experiences you've had and that it is never easy to share such a thing, especially with a group of people you've known for such a short time. My friend, please know that this meant much to me and that you are someone I would like to continue to know. Moiraine. Brava! Wish I could have said it as well and made my point without all the shite hitting the fan! Thanks! I will ALWAYS remember you! Memnoch. Ouch! My tone was angry, yes. but the language not that bad. The only things not censored with ##'s was shite without the 'e' and the word that rhymes with 'witch'. But I'm sorry. It's not my style and I should've maintained not even saying cr@p or h$ll without the 'censors'. Melusine. I will chalk your reaction up to the fact that you come from a generation whose 'men' quite legitimately refer to their girlfriends as 'their bitches'. You can't help it. As to the 'sugary sickening love-talk that goes on in other threads'? Let me touch on that before I say goodbye. The Moon's Hope Inn was an accident. I thought it up as a way to 'get us all together' in one thread after chasing people I wanted to talk to all over the board and never catching up with them! I never meant for it to become a 'serial' that would sport 100's of posts a day! Jeesh! Even I haven't read all that! But it's not it's success I'm amazed at. It's the controversy. That post that Yorick created that night was a lot more up and up than his coming into Reeka's post-party thread and 'attacking' her. And me. It would have been better, Yorrick, to have left the original thread that I was indeed planning on replying to. And it would have been a lot more honest. No. In answer to some of you, the tetosterone thing isn't the 'last straw' in my real-life. It was the last straw here. Of people deciding what is right and wrong by what suits them. Yorrick never mentioned Vic's thread where there was anything from sexist to very rude content all the time he went on (and on) about about the 'porn' that going on at the Inn. Why didn't you just say it was the fact that we role/played romance while being married/engaged in rl that bothered you, Yorrick? Like in your deleted post? And whoever it was who sent the anonymous blind-email, you I will call a complete coward. Any one of us would have responded by 'toning it down' had we been approched in a reasonable 'up-front' way! Ziroc. God Ziroc. Thank you Dan. For all you've done for us here. For all you've dome for me. And for your email. I don't cancel my membership. I would like to leave it with my email for any who would like to maintain a friendship with me. I am sorry all, for the anger. That isn't my style either. And yes, you menfolk, I do forgive the thoughtless remarks as I know you are the product of a society that condones this kind of thing in it's men. 'All in fun' is a great excuse for injustice committed against all minorities. The fact that it's still okay for this against women but not for those other's mentioned in my first angry post gives me hope and tells me that we have indeed come a long ways on the road to being civilized. Goodbye all. Be well. I'm thinking Ziroc will grant my wish and leave my profile (at least for now) and, PLEASE, any who want to contact me, you are more than welcome. I will sorely miss you all. -Lee |
Hey your a stone golem why dont you just smash them to bits instead of leaving.
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Lee, I am sincerely sorry to hear that, but will respect your wishes if that is truly how you feel. The door will always be open here for you. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
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