In one of my classes here, a Mongolian student was impressed and surprised that my demonstration of vocal placement options sounded like a Throat-singer from her homeland in Ulanbataar.

She gave me a CD to show what she meant.

Boy am I blown away. This singer achieves the 'effect' of two notes at once with the use of harmonics and resonater movement. Incredible! Very similar to the Tibetan technique, but uses more range.

I feel like I've been shown a whole new dimension to the instrument. I'd heard about this, but never heard it for myself.

I love delving into cultures. If was wasn't here, I wouldn't have met the Mongolian and got a window into her culture (we talked for ages after a class about her country).

Man. Had to share it or I'd burst, sorry ("Midas has donkeys ears, Midas has donkeys ears...")



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Moiraine, perhaps I should have said "What do you think of Mongolian Music or something?

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Er ... I read your post with a great interest, and I was very happy for you to have had a new wonderful experience, and for us that you had shared it - but I confess that I have limited experience in Mongolian music (shame on me ...), so I didn't know what to reply ... http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/redface.gif

OK, I will make very soon a trip to my favourite music store, and see what I can do to remedy to my ignorance.

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Yorick... that sounds interesting. Could you post a sample or two at Stealthy's site on the Jukebox? Or is that too difficult from an internet cafe?

Glad you're having fun! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

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Far too often cultures we dont know or understand are rejected as outlandish or just "weird". But this just goes to show you.....

Sounds pretty cool Yorrick, try to post it somewhere. You might be starting a musical revelution! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

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Thanks Bilqis. Actually I've managed to get a computer to the house I'm staying in. It's got some recording hardware with it, so if I can get it up and running... http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/heee.gif ...It'll be business as usual!
Thus the answer may be yes!

Moiraine you went to "Hat Baby" I take it?



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Hello Yorick! I would be interested in hearing that myself! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

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Oh no Jerome, this is weird alright, but that's the whole point. Mind you, make sure you don't include Marco Polo, the Beatles, Bilqis (re. Yemen), Moiraine (re. Aussie) or myself in that royal 'we' there Jerome. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 03-25-2001).]

Actually Yorick & Jerome, we have many many tapes of Yemeni & Egyptian music (ever heard of Um Kulthum?) I keep bugging my husband to get them on cd before they die the eventual death of all cassette tapes. We are fans of World music at our house. Why limit ourselves to the same old boring stuff that airs on the radio or MTV??

Yorick, I'll be very interested to hear your next cd. I'm betting there will be multiple cultural influences in your new songs. Am I right? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

And *YIPPEEEEE* to the possible posting of Mongolian music at Stealthy's. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif


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Yes, Yorick, I went to the "Hatt baby" site - very weird indeed ! Especially while not understanding the lyrics ... http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

Oh, Jerome, I didn't say that I 'rejected' Mongolian music ! What I said that, unfortunately, there are so many interesting topics in this world, and one can not, alas !, know about all, I didn't happen to cross into Mongolian music yet, but now that Yorick has kindly pointed how interesting it is, I will for sure !
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I've been into some of the music Peter Gabriels "Real World" music label has put out for some time. Some has included Yemeni music actually. Also into Afro-Celt, which combines trad. Celtic and North African music styles and players.

World music definitely has a freshness to it for sure.
Not sure what the story is with 'Hat-Baby'. It's damn catchy though, I keep singing it in my head...arrrg!.

Very strange.




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HAT BABY! CHECK THIS OUT

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[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 03-25-2001).]

Disclaimer: Hat Baby is NOT Mongolian throat singing!

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perhaps rejected it was a bit strong: "overlooked" is much better http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

And Yorrick we was a general term, not just you lot http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

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http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-.../1orglaugh.gif I think everbody going there can figure it out !

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'Rejected' was fine Jerome. It was the 'we' that was the prob. I just try to avoid generalisations where possible. 'We' implied everyone in general, when in actual fact I know more people who are fascinated by other cultures and enjoy hearing/discovering about them. I came across one such person you were talking about, just the other day and it actually shocked me.

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Yes Jjerromme? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/moon.gif

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[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 03-25-2001).]

What?

Sorry about generalizing, i was trying to give an example, not alinate people, but as you say, no harm done http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

So when are we gonna hear this music then Yorrick?

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Jerome, no worries ! And yes, people rejecting other cultures and ways of thinking are a great nuisance in this world.

And ... I think Yorick meants by his http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/moon.gif that there is only one 'r' in his name ... http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

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Aww Moiraine http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/frown.gif I was seeing if he'd get it. He's added the 2nd r ever since we met on the old board. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

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Sorry, Yorick ... I just wanted to do the http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/moon.gif for once ... http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif
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[This message has been edited by Moiraine (edited 03-25-2001).]

It's a liberating feeling isn't it Moiraine!

Leonis, if you read this, remember Mikos? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/moon.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/img195.gif in his younger days?

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Oh Mikos, BTW Moiraine, is a friend of ours who many years ago would chuck moons out of windows. I remember one time, driving along and as a car passed this moon was staring at us from the passenger window. (I think Leonis was in my car)

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[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 03-25-2001).]

Yorick,
I have this Encarta Encyclopedia on CDROM which has two sound samples of Throat Singing! I always thought it incredible! Do you think on of those cd's may be available in specialised shops?


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Hey Yor(r)ick ! ifound this, thought you might like!


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Go on, play us a tune!

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[This message has been edited by Jerome (edited 03-25-2001).]

Of that I have no idea... I'll check the Label and Distributor.

Jerome, thank mate http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif



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YAY !!! Lucky girl I am ... there is actually a concert of a group of Mongolian throat singers in Grenoble next Thursday !!! I will go, I will, I just bought the tickets ! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

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Cool gif Jerome.

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OMG! What IS that hat thing???
It freaked me out a bit, I have to say! I can't get it out of my head - but I sure *want* to!

I am fascinated by Mongolian throat singing - I am sure I heard some on TV when I was younger and was amazed.

Moiraine, what a co-incidence! Let us know if you enjoy the show!

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Hi Epona, hat thing is Yorick's doing, just doing my mobile billboard trick. Wish I had a sound card on this machine, but alas my stingy work won't buy them http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/frown.gif

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OK, here is a link to some Mongolian Throat singing. Didn't look at 'Pylon of the Month' or 'Ukrainian bus shelters' though.

http://www.draxium.com/odd.html

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http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/scream.gif Na naaa naaa na na na na naaaaa (jump a tone) na na naaaa na na na na naaaaa (jump back down a tone) na naaa naaa na na na na naaaaaa (jump up a tone) na naaaa naaaa na na na naa naaaaaa..... http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/scream.gif

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[standing ovation]

Encore, encore!

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Epona - the other two on that link are for real, now I am truly worried about mankind http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/uhoh2.gif

Yorick - the ghost of Hendrix lives... um maybe not http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

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Actually, I was quite impressed by the bus shelters....

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I listened to the file from the site you suggested Epona, yeah and you're right Yorick truly amazing harmonics. About half way through listening I was almost convinced that the sound was electronic, most amazing.

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I just came home from the concert of Mongolian instrumental and throat singing I mentioned earlier - guys, this music is amazing ! I didn't know that a human voice could produce such sounds ! It goes from the foghorn to the singing of the hummingbird ! And the playing with the harmonics ! Extraordinaire ! And such power of evocation ! I will stop here, I am just speechless. Thank you, Yorick, thank you for sharing this wonder. I read your thread Monday morning, and then I had the immense luck to discover the same day that a group of four Mongolian throat singers would came here for an unique concert the next Thursday. Such a coincidence ...




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I remember being woken by a group of people practicing Himalayan Voice Yoga. I wonder if this is a similar thing. It was being led by a man named 'Ponderosa Pine' who belonged to an environmental group where each individual named themselves after an endangered species.

That was such an unusual week on a university campus. It was there that I played my first game of Zen ping-pong.

Hi Dublin Grocer - er... what an unusual nickname! Are you a grocer, or is it a joke that I am too daft to spot!! Is there a shortened version we can use, it's a bit of a 'handful' to type!!! (or would that be too familiar!! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif )

I have never heard either Mongolian throat singing OR Himalayan voice yoga in real life (other than the short clip I posted a link to the other day) so I can't answer your question. I must try to get to hear some properly some day, I'm now fascinated. How do they DO that?? The concept of zen ping-pong sounds fascinating too...

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