Hello,
I loved Wasteland, the X-Coms, and the Jagged Alliance series! As far as this genre goes, is there any game out there that would, seriously, be good enough to added to this list?

- Twilight

[ 07-19-2002, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: --Twilight-- ]

Lasersquad and, er, thats it. Um, Shogun : Total War has similarites to X-COM but its in real time.

Played all of the X-coms and both of the Jagged Alliance games, loved them [img]smile.gif[/img] Hm, I've seen two X-com games that I haven't played, though X-Com: Enforcer and X-Com: Alliance.

I think that Enforcer is a 1st/3rd person shooter. But does anyone know what X-com: Alliance is?

Swat 2 'ne one ?
Anyways But i like dark reign 2 and X-COM Apocalypse, and yes in real time cause turn based is too stupid in my opinion. Swat 3 is also so so.

there are tons of non english tactical rpg. listed them here would be useless as non of you have even heard them before. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

X-COM enforcer is a 3rd rate 3rd person shooter. It also strips out the management side of things, so its not even an XCOM game in the traditional sense of the word. Avoid.

x-COM Alliance looks like a 1st rate 1st person shooter with the management side intact and would be ace. There are plot hooks in XCOM Interceptor (The news stories about the missing Patterson being found half-way across the galaxy in a voyager rip off. Impressive for a ship w/o hyperdrive) which I think are meant to tie into this.

Alliance was canned a few years back just after XCOM Genesis (on which I have nothing) but there were signs a few months back that it might be on the way to being revived. Heres hoping.

I liked the original x-com game but it had one slight problem with it. The game AI did not respond to the application of "massive"force. Id use the heavy artillery and just mowed the place down, turning the tactical maps into a war zone. It was a complete walkover. I have yet to find a game where that doctrine doesnt work unfortunately.

The 3rd X-com game. X-com apocalypse, you will get disliked, fast, and get big bills if you blow the whole place up. And in addition to that you mustn't kill the civilians which are present in most missions.

Try Fallout Tactics, its one of the best squad-based tactical rpgs I've played.

Hello,
yep, X-Com 3 is a game that you really want to like. Its a game that should be great. Its a game with some good features.

Its a game that the was utterly shortchanged in its development. There are lots of little points, in almost every aspect, that bother people - little things that shouldn't be there. Graphics a bit small, all troops have the same portrait, an easy opportunity for expanded role playing for the troops totally missed, foes -really- too tied into a genre, weapons stock and copied from earlier ones, an attempt at a political system that stops once it begins, etc., etc., etc. You have a renowned product, a huge fan base, and every incentive to work on a sequel that will have everyone's attention, so they went ahead and did a CHEAP HACK JOB. Oh, well, its successor is in Beta....

I have F-Tactics, and it looks great, but it is most slow on my machine (I am its low-end requirement!), so I'll have to wait.

Still a new Jagged Alliance (in the works), a new and improved Twilight 2000, Fallout 3, or a really good alternative BG2 would be dandy....

- Twilight

Fallout tactics is a great squad based game,and possibly fallout 2 though its not as strategic.

Commando 2 is really cool too. Similar to xcom, but in real time. Your characters don't "upgrade", but each one is unique in his abilities.

Being a Fallout fan, I would highly recommend Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood Of Steel. Simple story line, plenty of weapons and armor and tons of enemy to kill; I couldn't have asked for more. :D

Yes Fallout Tactics: BOS, but do not forget to patch it. The gold version is almost unplayable because of bugs, works fine with the latest version though.

A fairly recent game, Freedom Force is kind of fun. It's a superhero game, where you develop a variety of super heroes. Once you get two or three super heroes on your team, it turns into a squad based combat game, with each of the heroes having different powers. It's very tongue in cheek. The superheroes improve their abilities as you progress, so it's somewhat RPGish as well.

I enjoyed the X-Com games (the first one and the one that took place in the city w/ real time combat). Also Jagged Alliace. Mech Ccommander was pretty good too. I haven't tried Fallout Tactics, but it sounds interesting. For Play Station 1 there was Final Fantasy Tactics which I played a little of. An ok game, but really only recommended for FF fans.

Fallout Tactic:BOS plays like X-COM in certain aspect but you don't have to research technologies just concentrate on pure squad level combat. IMHO, the best combat method in BOS is still turn based.

If you enjoy the X-COM I & II combat sequence, then there is a high chance that you will enjoy BOS... Provided that you patch the game up first. ;)

[ 08-29-2002, 12:57 AM: Message edited by: Paladin2000 ]

City of Heroes... anyone? ANYONE??? AAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ?

well hrmf! i cant wait for this game to come out!

also i might not understand what ya mean by tactical combat, but umm d2 and (if ye call it a game) d2x are also very fight orientated hehhehehe, awe yes killing cows more cows, more cows, and finaly ye wonder why your playing a game where all you do is kill cows??

also everquest if ye mean tactical combat by strategic or sheer abilities...

i have found that classes like the monk and rogue require a lot of both.
then again i always liked the mage beastlord and wizzy...

other games to my mind... errr LET ME THINK OK??? sheesh what is this!?? am i not allowed to think? hrmmm! uhhhhhh

someone listed shogun total war, in that case why not list Stronghold?
howbout some of them comand and conquer games ( ya ya they arent rpgs...)

hrmmm ewww maybe this one! uhhh what was i gunna say? oh ya dungeon seige... tobad there isnt a dungeon siege forumn, i love that game... thats like pure fighting! and lots of strategys

tactical comat as in using a gun?
arcanum... i hate this game! i mean omg! ye fall asleep if ye cast to many spells!

hrmmm i wana go get something to eat... so ill just smack dab this post here... what does bump mean?

Hello,
yep, Mechcommander (1, 2) is also good. Tactical RPG? Well, it gets in under the door when you look at it overall.

City of Heroes???

Still think that the Jagged Alliance series is the BEST X-Com cousin.

Anybody like Soldiers at War? Pretty good WW2 tactical RPG!
Darklands??

- Twilight

For those who play mech commander(i havent) there's a very very difficult variant(atleast for me) Titans of Steel, is present to download for free. Strange game.

Hello,
anyone ever play Natuk (or, Nahlakh)?! Fun game!

- Twilight

If you like turn-based tactical combat(ala Jagged Alliance) then you cannot do better than POWS, Natuk, Tower of Darkness and Nahlakh.If you cannot stand 2d old school graphics(circa ultima 6 or so) then nevermind but the gameplay/tactical combat in Tom proudfoot's games beats all hands down.

BTW, real-time combat sucks and cannot possibly be "tactical".Strategic maybe but never tactical.It is for people who like to keep their hands busier than their brains.

Hello,
yep, the whole Proudfoot product line is a lot of fun in the classical fantasy CRPG genre. They are great games for anyone who is into that stuff. Problem is, Tom's website no longer seems to exits. You can get Nahlakh from a gaming server, but it is Natuk that is truly the top game. What to do? I have the CD, but where can anyone else get it? I really am waiting for the mythical release of POWS (and Jagged Alliance 3), one day - I have faith, although it may not have a basis.

I agree about the turn-based aspect!! Nobodu controls the movements of 10 people in real-time. This leaves you with AI - either not good enough, or else so good that you have to ask, "Why role do I have?". With games like BG or Mechcommander, I would pass, submit order, run, pause... That was cool.
The BEST setup that I have come across was, believe it or not, in X-Com 3! You could play real-time, turn-based, or phased-turn. Really nice. BG is a also good with its pause features. The point is that these games, with their "action points" are not, nor should be, totally realistic. Just work within their world. The real-time only games don't give me a break - eventually the mad rush gets to be too damn annoying. I played BG1+/2+, Mechcommander, etc. like the turn-based ones (Fallout, Jagged, etc.), because that was how I could really be involved, rather than a spectator.

- Twilight

Nice yes, but unbalanced. An example:

4th final alien dimension building. On real time:

5 skeletoid come round a corner and take out two of my men with heavy disrupters before my tox-C darts can take them all

on turn based:

I come upon 5 skeletoids. shields take all the oppertunity fire, and then I pump darts into all of them til they die. Loot their shields , and Im inbetter shape than before I encountered them.

I played it. It was cool, I played the police campaign and the terrorist campaign till the last level.

I played it. It was cool, I played the police campaign and the terrorist campaign till the last level.</font>[/QUOTE]Hehe! I was a real meanie! After i'd throughly enjoyed the police campaign, i played the terrorist and booby trapped/C4ed everything and then mande the police come after me, blockaded and killed hoards of them ....... good for points, took hostages too *Angelic look*

Twilight:

POWS has been released for a while now(freeware thus far) and you can get it at www.proudft.com (from the main updated news page click on the "screw it" link).
Tom is no longer using the TomProudfoot.com addy...it is back to the old www.proudft.com/

I am one of those "gameplay rules all" types

Fallout Tacrics, the Ufo series (except enforcer), Jagged Alliance

Those are the best, best, best.

Actually since this is a "tactical" thread I have to say something about that.

I have played games like Baldur's Gate and NWN and the like via multiplayer.

I have tried many other genres multiplayer.

I have to say that Nothing comes close to a first person tactical shooter.

The last LAN party went something like this.

Picture this.....

************
Nine-thirty in the evening. The room is dark. My only companions: an icecold Heine and an the even colder barrel of a HK G3. The rain is streaming down my face as I try to distinguish between the howling wind and the trampling of enemy footsteps through the mud. Up ahead I can hear the roar of artillery shells exploding and to my left a friendly tank is making its way down the main road of this shelled town. I am covering the northern wall as my friend shouts from beside me...."There, over that hill!" I turn to see what he sees, but to no avail. He is looking through his sniper scope, which I do not have the luxury of...just then the richochet of enemy bullets fill my ears as the thundering roar of a Sniper Rifle next to me makes me flinch (Is this sound too loud or what, I think to myself). Just then I see them ... 15 no 20 ... whatever ... crouch down ... take quick aim .... RATATATATATATATATAT ... I empty 200 rounds of 7.62mm in the general direction of the shadows over the hill. Whilst reloading I try to see through the resultant cloud of gunpowder in front of me .... THWACCK. "I'm hit! Aren't you guys covering me????" I shout to my friends. "What are you talking about, you are the covering fire" comes the retort. Ahh well, I guess I'll have to .... wait "JOE...to your right coming from the tank's direction" "There's too many of them" he replies as he takes cover as a barrage of bullets ridle the rock behind him" "PETE, handgranade", I scream at the top of my lungs, trying to make myself audible above the artillery shell explosions that have locked on to our position. All hell has broken loose and I have stopped breathing ... I drill another volley of G3 fire towards the oncomming enemy from the hill, with more pleasing results. "GOT 5 of them" "C'mon lets get out of here" Pete flings a grenade hurriedly in the direction of the second lot as we run for better cover just over the hill, guns blazing away, as artillery shells smoke the air around us................CHOCK, CHOCK......CHOCK, CHOCK.....I did not see the russian behind that tree...my last remaining thoughts as I crumple into a pool of my own blood...

Reload......as I ask "Geez guys, what happened?"

That my friends is the first 40 seconds of a particular mission in Ghost Recon. Played with the right equipment, in the right spirit, with the right atmosphere, it becomes more than a tactical shooter, it becomes role-playing in the extreme. For a little while it becomes the only reality I know.

Hello,

first of all, Ishanda - I couldn't agree with you more!

Second, whacky: Proudfoot's back?!?!?!?!? I had even used search engines to find him! YAAAAAAAAAAA! POWS is out???!!! Gotta jump to that link!!!
Thanks!!!!

- Twilight

Heads up for Paradise Cracked this looks like a great tactical squad based rpg. (Q1 2003)

X-Com was very cool :D

Hello,
actually, What's-Their-Name bought the Jagged Alliance line a little while ago. Rumor is that they are working towards JA3!!! I thought that X-Com was in a similar boat (they have that e-mail one now, but I hope for X4 - HEY! Update, expand, upgrade, and rerelease X-Com 1 and I'd gladly pay full price for it!

- Twilight

They're not remaking X-com, but they're making a game a lot like it, check this site for info on it:

www.ufoaftermath.co.uk

It's looking to be cool, damn cool :D

Never heard of X-com, but i'm surprised no one's mentioned Heroes of Might and Magic though. Final Fantasy Tactics is also good. Great story lots of typos. A little on the difficult side for those who don't like training.

Youve never heard of Xcom? You missed out, big time.

HoMM is good, but Ive never really liked it.

Hello,
hey - you can buy X-Com 1,2, & 3 as in a combo pack at a discount in computer stores. You can also buy it, or 1,2, or 3 online, on the cheap.

- Twilight

[ 1 & 2 are similar, and are both true classics; 3 is O.K., is the "modern", but falls the shortest on delivery.]

Hello,
well, I've had achance to try-out POWS (proudfoot games), and it is a really good retro-CRPG. It has one major bug, and so much of it is developed yet crying-out for improvement. You can get it for free, and it is a lot of fun for folks who enjoy old-fashioned CRPGs!

- Twilight

p.s. Check-out his other three (rather similar yet fun) games.