I know that some of you want a cloth Map!
For those of you that have good color
Ink-Jet printers & a Scanner you can make
your own high quality cloth Maps using an
Iron-On transfer Kit.
Go to the following site to buy the kits
or check with your better stationary stores
or goggle "Iron-On transfer paper" and there
are alot of different manufacturers of the paper.

http://www.proworldinc.com

I realize this is not something alot of you
would even consider doing and believe the
cloth map should come with the game. Bethesda
has said that the cloth map is not even being
considered. They have high quality paper maps
included with the game as well as a book and
a coin in the Collectors edition & that's it.

"WARNING"
Don't use iron-on transfer paper for inkjet
printers in your laser printer. The heat can
cause the paper to melt all over the inside
of your printer, possibly resulting in hefty
repair bills or destroying your printer all
together.

[ 02-01-2006, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: TheCrimsomBlade ]

There is no such thing as "high quality paper". You fold it a comple of times and it start ripping off.

It's also cumbersome. You can't leave a huge paper sheet laying around, but you can a piece of cloth. I still have an ultima cloth map on my desktop and I haven't played the game in ages.

Oh well... I heard this game will use Starforce and I won't buy it if it does, but otherwise I guess regular edition will have to do.

Starforce is that bad huh?

I may have to cancel my preorder then.

Starforce is that bad huh?

I may have to cancel my preorder then. </font>[/QUOTE]You've been waiting for Oblivion for ages, I wouldn't cancel your preorder if I was you. Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good if you really want something.

But me personally my dislike of Starforce is greater than my desire to play this game...

[ 02-01-2006, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

Don't worry, a crack/hack no cd will be out on the net by release day.. (No CDs are patches are ok to talk about) because copy protection has become a fng JOKE..

Yeah, I'll probably wait for a crack before buying the game. It's sad that we have to rely on hackers to play our legit games now...

Indeed, indeed...and I've never experienced the joys of a cloth map, but I really have never used physical maps for games, either. To me, it's not really necessary. I'm pretty sure I'm just going to get the regular edition of Oblivion when it comes out.

From what I have been told no-CD patches for starforce games are an absolute pain to use. Things like disconnecting CD drives, or running three or four different programs before starting the game seem to be common.

From what I have been told no-CD patches for starforce games are an absolute pain to use. Things like disconnecting CD drives, or running three or four different programs before starting the game seem to be common. </font>[/QUOTE]From what I think I know of it, disconnecting your drive is part of the generic way to beat starforce, and is not part of a crack. At some point individual games get hacked and the starforce get removed from the main executable, but it take time.

Luvian, that makes a lot of sense. I was thinking specifically of zero-day no-cd patches, you are probably right that good no-cd patches show up eventually.

You have never seen American Paper Money it can be folded 50,000 times Plus and
never crack or tear so to say there is no such thing as High quality Paper is 100% TOTALY WRONG!!!
I still Have the all original Morrowind Maps in frames and they are in a rack next to my desk and in fact there are thirty-two Game maps all mounted fraimed and filed next to my desk. Which ever game I'm playing That map is hung on the wall above my desk just to the right of my computer Monitor. That way it doesn't matter what the map is made of. They never get folded again after I open the box for the first time. I realize that most people are not carpenters and can't make a Frame and place their maps behind a clear sheet of plexi-glass as I have but, you can mount them on Poster board or stiff card board and then take care of your belongings and it won't make any difference what the map is printed on.
I have all of the Baldurs gate,I cewind Dale & NWN maps on cloth and The quality and detail sucks totally. I much prefer a high quality Photo style map printed on a high quality Glossy Photo paper any day over the low quality crapy cloth Maps that crack and get crinkled up and then the Ink crumbles off the cloth at
every fold they have in them. If you folding paper or cloth they both have their bad points but the clariety of glossy paper is 10 Times that of cloth so I prefer Paper everytime. My cloth maps are also framed under plexi-glass.

Yes, I meant for game map, there is no such thing as high quality paper. They don't want to invest in the map that's why they'te using paper in the first place. They wouldn't use something that would cut in their profit.

Of course if you don't fold them they stay good. But not everyone can hang maps all over the place...

[ 02-03-2006, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

Well my morrowind paper map is still in good condition and I used it plenty of times. It came prefolded too so I'm not sure what the problem is.

I did love my Ultima cloth maps but paper maps are sufficient for me.

My Morrowind map is in tatters... Seyda Neen is under the fridge, Balmora is in the cushions in the couch, and Ald Rhun is being used as a coaster by the computer...

I *need* a cloth map.

My Morrowind map is unuseable few days after buying the game. A cloth map would be usefull. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I only hang up the one game map I'm using at the time.
All the rest set snuggly in the corner in a rack I built in two tears.
The Big Maps on the bottom & the little 12 X 16 or smaller in the
top rack and I used a lable maker to put the name of
each game on the edge of the maps to make it quicker
to find the one I want

As I said the cheepest way to protect your
maps is to Get some Poster board. The plastic
type you can find at stationary stores is really
good. Then get some Acid Free Craft Bond Multi-Purpose
Spray glue. Made by Elmers glue co is the best
and make sure it says ACID FREE on the can!
Then DON'T spray the glue on the Maps!!! Spray
the Glue on the Poster board only and let it Dry
for a few minutes. Its a good Idea to lay the Map
on the Poster board first and mark the Board.
Then mask the edges that will be showing with
house painters tape. Then spray about a 2 inch strip
all the way around the inside of the tape and then an "X"
from corner to corner and remove the tape and let glue dry.
Take your time and lay the map on the Poster board
and line up the edges. Get a friend to help then
carefully start at the top and work from the top
center down and out to the edges. Smooth the map
onto the poster board always from the center out an down.
then set it flat some where to dry for a day and your map
will last for years.
DON'T USE water Based White glue you'll ruin your maps they
will crinkle up and look like crap.

I hope this helps some of you that are in to crafts and
want to make some kick ass gaming maps!! :D

[ 02-04-2006, 02:37 AM: Message edited by: TheCrimsomBlade ]

Or they could just sell us cloth maps [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Thanks for the link and idea, Crimsonblade.
I might have a look into it, being a massive fan of cRPG maps (what with them scattered all around my flat on the walls....Might and Magic 1, My hankerchief Ultima 7 one, MM4: Clouds of Xeen, My paper Ultima 6, Ultima Underworld, Ascension, Icewind Dale...)

My version of Morrowind is just a 'Big Bytes' budget version though, so it didn't come with a map. As a consequence, I've come to rely more on my exploration and on Npcs to give me locations for some of the more remote parts in the game and when that fails, I might glance at the UHS for a hint.

The Baldurs Gate 2 cloth map I have though isn't too practical and didn't really get much use out of it (it doesn't like bluetack either and isn't very detailed) But I'm not really fussed if Oblivion has paper or cloth to be honest, since I'll have it on display on the wall and try not to crinkle it up too much. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The advantage with cloth maps is their versality:
1) Map
2) Scarf
3) Napkin
4) Handkerchief
5) TP

In. That. Order.

Hehe... US money has more in common with cloth than paper. It's a funky blend using cotton, I don't know if there's even any wood pulp in it. The reason it's so flexible is because it really ISN'T much like paper. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I've still got my Ultima cloth map too... they were kindof a neat prop for the game.

I've got a starware game (Brothers in Arms) and with a little experimentation I found that you can install the game in a way that the starforce driver is never actually run.

1) Install the game... at the end it will tell you that you need to reboot in order to play the game (the reboot is required to fully install the starforce driver), say NO.

2) Install the "No-CD" hack, I'd guess it will be available within a day or so of the games release.

3) Run the Starforce remover application.

4) You're done... you can now run the game without ever having the starforce driver active on your system. (no reboot is required).

- If you have a system that may be susceptable to some of the starforce issues (around RAID corruption and such)... I'd still recommend a backup before doing anything starforce related, just to be on the safe side, but this solution SHOULD prevent starforce from ever being active, so it SHOULD protect your arrays from that crappy software.

Yah, but ES:O isn't a SF game...

there will be NO starforce. please don't keep suggesting otherwise.

V***V

Isn't=Is not.

You can buy 20% 36% 44% 56% 75% & 88% cloth &
wood fiber High strength paper from paper and
print companies. I have some 75% silk & Cotton
Blend Degree & Document high Quality paper used
in making Deplomas that works well for reprinting
maps on. The stuff I bought is legal size and my
printer uses standard size paper so I just cut it
down a little.
Today I tried something and washed three sheets
in the clothes Washer and then put it in the Dryer
with some Bath towels. 1 sheet tore in two and
the other two came thru pretty good just very rinkled.
Next, I used my wifes Iron and ironing board and
Ironed the two remaining full sheets flat.
Then even though they were now flat again they were
still flexable like cotton sheets but slightly firmer.

( I have to much time on my hands right now :D )

I loaded a single sheet in the printer and then
I printed a map of Guild wars on it and other
than the fact it is too small to really use in game
it came out pretty darn good and I didn't need the
Iron-on Paper to transfer the map to the paper I just
used my printer.

The whole process took about 7 hours but it worked.

[ 02-16-2006, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: TheCrimsomBlade ]

NO offence but from what you said about the Morrowind map it sounds
like, even if your map was printed on stainless steel you'd find a
way to scratch the print off the steel. So, in your case I think you
really need to get some leggos and forget about computers altogther. :D

Oh!! and please, never enter my house I'd have to shoot you!!!!!! :D

[ 02-16-2006, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: TheCrimsomBlade ]

Now there's an idea! Etched onto stainless...

*sighs* It'll never happen though.