I was swimming from Ebonheart to Seyda Neen, which I had done before, but I ended up slightly off course. I still ended up on the peninsula about halfway there, but I found some cave starting with "A". I went in, and fought some ash slaves and zombies, and found a dead ordinator. I took his boots, since they counted as 102 armor, and went up a rock slope. I found another one, and took his boots since they were valuable. He also had an indoril pauldron (the shoulder armor), which was also 102 armor. I equipped it, but my ac went down 4, even though my current pauldron was only 33 armor. Why did that happen? I eventually found a door that said "(cave's name): Shrine". I went in, fought some people that showed their name as "dreamer". I kept going, went on a path over lava, and fought this big ugly guy with tentacles for a face. I killed him, and he had some 6th house amulet. He was standing in front of a bin of wrapped corpus meat. I found that, the guy's looks, the indoril equipment, and the bells I passed by to fight the guy very strange. Is this some kind of quest area?

not sure, but sounds like it could be. i wouldnt tackle this one at this point. the problem with the pauldrons is disconcerting... did you accidently unequip something important like the cuiress? maybe just a bug. reload, mark the location on your map, and come back later when you get a quest to it (or after you complete the main quest if it doesnt come up)

I've already cleared out the entire place. The ash slaves and zombies reappear whenever I go from one area to another, so I've been killing them. I saved over the file from when I went in.
Nothing was unequipped when I put on the pauldron (except the previous pauldron), there was still the same 4x4 grid of equipped items.

And I noticed a hammer that looked like a master armorer's hammer, but with a long handle. It was some 6th house bell hammer, which explained its location near the bells. It was worth 2000g, so I was going to take it until I noticed that it weighed 75, which was about 75 more weight than I could handle at the time.

The people you are fighting in there have something to do with the main quest. I'm guessing you're not far enough along to know what they're about yet, but you'll find out if you keep on the main quest. I can't recall if that area has a specific quest associated with it, but it's relevant to the main quest anyway.

I'm not sure about the armour thing - was the type of armour (e.g. heavy, medium etc) not what you're best at wearing? If suppose you have 50 skill points in light armour, and 10 in heavy armour, then wearing a light armour piece with 15AC will probably do more for your AC than a heavy piece with 40AC, because it also takes into account your skill at using the armour type. Although putting your AC down to 4 is weird - sounds more like a bug to me.

One thing you should be careful about is wearing ordinator (indoril) armour. In some versions of the game if you put some on, even for a second then take it off, it automatically puts all ordinators offside with you and they attack you on sight forever after. Not a good idea. Even in versions where that doesn't happen (I think there might be a patch or mod that fixes that), wearing it in front of them isn't a good idea I think.

It lowered my AC by, not to, 4. The strangest part is that the boots increased my AC

The AC of an item is relative to your skill. I have over 60 in med. armor, which is what the indoril equipment is, and that's why it's 102.

Does that ordinator bug occur after a patch, or is it just random?

What happens if I wear their armor in front of them? They already call me scum. And you can BUY that armor in Ghostgate, so why would they be mad at me?

Since they attack me first (actually, if they attack me, as I haven't been to anywhere they are since finding the armor), there's no penalty if I kill them, right?

How tough are they? I'm around level 13, with almost 100 in long blade, and I'm using a glass longsword (I think 4-30 damage) with +3-7 cold damage. My AC is around 45. My strength and endurance are both near 100.

WHY CAN'T I PICK UP THE CANDLES??? I WANT THOSE CANDLES!!! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

1) wearing indoril armor in front of ordinators will get you attacked in any version of the game. when you take off the armor, you should be okay

2) you would not be breaking the law to defend yourself.

3) they're tough, especially with the difficulty turned up. i doubt you would survive it at this point in the game. i had a sword which did + 60-90 fire damage and they still managed to swarm me and kill me at level 18 one time. in one on one, who knows, but you'll need a better weapon than the one you have.

Sorry, I must have misread your original post about the AC [img]smile.gif[/img] . I dunno then!

Just because you can buy the armour doesn't mean it doesn't happen - it does! Maybe they're selling it to ordinators and not outlanders with a penchant for indoril ;) . Yes, you won't get in trouble for killing ordinators if they attack you first, but I don't really think it would be that pleasant to travel around Vivec (or Molag Mar for that matter) being attacked by every ordinator that comes along. There's a lot of them (and they might respawn... dunno about that though)! I think it would get tiresome. Actually I did a quest a bit ago where two ordinators attacked me and I was level 20-something and they did a lot of damage. I wouldn't want to be coming up against them constantly in Vivec.

Wearing the indoril helm or cuirass will casue them to attack you. Wearing any other indoril armor is fine with the ordinators. The same also holds true with the "her hands" armor in Tribunal, only the helm and cuirass are the problem.

Ordinators are dark elves, and dark elves have a high resistance to fire, so the fire dammage you were doing wasn't really that high.

[ 06-27-2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

the fire dammage you were doing wasn't really that high

not if you have something that lowers their resistance to fire damage on a different weapon that you hit them with first [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-28-2004, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: promethius9594 ]

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Morrowind is so diverse that there are areas most ppl have not explored. Best download this Java Map that has every cave location [img]smile.gif[/img]


Don't worry about nice Indoril Armour. There are much better ones ahead! When you play the TRIBUNAL Expansion pack you get the advanced "Her Hands" Heavy Indoril Enchanted Armour that has over 200AC and is shinny blue! WAYYY COOL


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Just FYI, skip Medium Armor. You'll get more out of glass armor, there's not 'ultra' medium armor and there's no master trainer. It confers less protection than heavy but more than light/given price but Indoril armor is the best and that's too low to consider wearing later on. But, Medium has one advantage and that's unique items. There are some heavily enchanted and extremely cool armor pieces throughout the game, especially later.
Also, a word on Heavy, when wearing a suit of ebony armor aou'll need a few items that boost your strength in order to move [img]smile.gif[/img] Now imagine me in daedric armor...

Going way back to the origional post:
The pauldrons that you pick up in that particular cave are in VERY poor condition. Have you tied having yours repaired? If not I think that is your problem.

[ 06-28-2004, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

There are several sixth house bases located on the map, not all of them are quest related though. The one you ran into is probably called Assemanu, that's the only cave situated between Ebonheart and Seyda Neen, along with another place called Akimaes Grotto. So it's either one of those two, but i think it's Assemanu. If it's related to the mainquest... i'm not really sure, but i don't think so. It might be related to one of the guildquests though, i suppose you find out later.

[ 06-28-2004, 06:21 AM: Message edited by: johnny ]

Hey avatar, you mentioned a good map? Still looking for one (bought my game used without a map), care to post a link?

Cheers
Philipp

Overnight the number of posts here more than doubled here. :D

This is what happened with the pauldrons.

When I first started, a lot of people were saying how good med. armor was! I'm using one piece of light and one piece of heavy armor to slowly increase my skills in the other armor types.

I've been using a silver sparksword which did about half of what my current sword does, and I haven't had many problems killing stuff with it. I killed an orc very early in the game with it, after practicing speechcraft turned out with me being attacked, and I recently killed a madman under Ebonheart, who I think is plot related, based on what I got from him. That's also where I got my glass sword.

Yeah, that's it. Morrowind has REALLY crazy names.

[ 06-28-2004, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: LS0158 ]

I've been using a silver sparksword

HAHAHA, thats so weak. i've been using two weapons: a blight staff that does 200 poison damage over two seconds (plus 20 physical damage) and a daedric dai katana that does 60-90 fire damage (plus like, forty some physical damage). like i said, you will eventually need to aquire better weapons, because either of the two weapons i use would probably kill you in one hit.

One hit from the staff, two from the katana [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Where's all the good stuff? (preferably one-handed longswords, but anything better than my glass frostsword.) I'd rather find things or legally kill someone (crime not reported) for something rather than buying it. Don't tell me to steal stuff. I have a sneak skill of 6. They'll hear me coming from a mile away. :D

um, for the best weapons you either find them in quests, or you HAVE to steal them, as not very many merchants sell the quality level of weapons you are looking for. save your money and go join the theives guild, where you can purchase training in sneak (primarily) and security (also important for picking locks). once you have done this (up to at least 60 in each skill) go to the ghostgate and rob everything you can in both towers. you'll find a full set of glass armor, and several weapons you should like [img]smile.gif[/img] .

as far as a good weapon goes, i dont like most longswords. what you need at this point is the sword of white woe. go to balmora and check the towers, its in the very top level of one, on top of the cabinet next to the guard. you'll have to steal this one too.

also, you can rob the vaults in the hlaalu, telvanni, and redoran cantons in vivec to get all sorts of goodies (weapons AND armor) worth a total of more than a million septims.

Promethius is right, most good weapons are from quests or theft, if you could give some idea what you considered "good" it might be easier. It's possible to get things like glass longswords without theft or quests, but are they good enough for you to consider "good stuff"?. You could always try bound weapons spells if you have some magic skill, that'll give you something better then the vast majority of weapons in the game.

[ 06-30-2004, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: Seraph ]

once you get the sword of white woe, and level up a couple more times, and have the suit of glass armor, you could go around looking for a dremora lord who has a daedric dai katana and enchant THAT with a good spell.

theyre hard to kill at low levels, though, which is why i recommend the sword of white woe as a sturdy weapon to carry you through until you can start self enchanting your own weapons. (note: best weapons to enchant are the ebony staff, and the daedric weapons).

At really low levels (lower then 18) you won't get a faedric dai-katana from a Dremora or a Dremora Lord. I would say that if you want a DDK then it would probably be easier to go to the Maesa-Shammus Egg Mine with is on the west side of a ridgeline and lies north-north-east of Molag Mar, it's also just a little north of the Nchardumz ruin. Inside the mine there is a dead body that has one.

I'm personally not a fan of a DDK or any other really powerful weapon as primary weapons at low level. You tend to kill weak things in one hit, so your longsword skill will stay low, and make it difficult to actually hit anyone. As annoying as things like cliff racers and rats are, they give you a chance to practice your weapon skills. I generally find it's worth keeping a weaker weapon (I use a steel saber and a silver longsword) to kill things that arn't really dangerous and save your good weapon for tough enemies. This also has the advantage that your good weapon will be in top condition for those tough fights.

it's not a bug.
it's just how the ordinators are. if they see you (some smack dude who's definitely NOT a fellow ordinator) wearing their gear, they assume there's one of two ways you got it:
1) you stole it
2) you attacked one of their brothers and peeled it off his dying body

so, in their eyes, you are a murdering, thieving SOB who deserves to die.

harsh, but, hey, they're ordinators. not known for being all peace and love. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

V***V

[ 06-30-2004, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: vesselle ]

best online MW map there is.

it's a java applet, so make sure you have at least a fairly recent version of java on your system.

V***V

Just a second: As I remember it, they won't attack you on sight until you speak with an ordinator while wearing the armour: this first one attacks you, and from then on you are an enemy to them all. and you end up with vast piles of ordinator crap laying around to sell...

Oru

For me, "good" is currently anything one-handed (I like sheilds) better than my glass frost sword (max 37 damage, with the +7 max from the ice enchantment. I'll have to steal that sword of white woe. I recently got some chameleon items, so I can get 120-130% chameleon, and that could help me steal stuff.

Is the Ice Blade from the third imperial cult oracle quest better?

I have a skill of 100 for longswords, and I have a decent score for armorer, so I repair my own stuff most of the time.

[ 06-30-2004, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: LS0158 ]

It's quite good, but IIRC (I just got a couple of days ago; you'd think I would remember :rolleyes: ;) ), it's a two-handed sword. Also the number of charges it has isn't terribly high.