What do you think is the best two-handed sword? I think it's silver sword.

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whats 'silver sword'?

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CARSOMYR

STATISTICS

Equipped Abilities:
50% Magic Resistance
Dispel magic 3 times per day
Combat Abilities:
+5 damage to chaotic evil opponents in addition to other bonuses.
Dispels magic whenever the sword strikes an opponent
THAC0: +5 bonus
Damage: 1D12 +5
Damage type: slashing
Weight: 7
Speed Factor: 5
Proficiency Type: Two handed sword
Type: 2-handed
Requires: 14 Strength
Usable By:
Paladins
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SOUL REAVER


STATISTICS

Combat Abilities: Each hit makes the target receive a cumulative 2 point penalty to their THAC0
Duration: 20 rounds
THAC0: +4 bonus
Damage: 1D10 +4
Damage type: slashing
Weight: 10
Speed Factor: 6
Proficiency Type: Two handed sword
Type: 2-handed
Requires: 14 Strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Cleric
Mage
Thief
Good characters

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WARBLADE +4

STATISTICS

THAC0: +4 bonus
Damage: 1D12 +4
Damage type: slashing
Weight: 11
Speed Factor: 6
Proficiency Type: Two handed sword
Type: 2-handed
Requires: 14 Strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Cleric
Mage
Thief

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P.S.

I think the Silver Sword is one of the most Overrated swords in the game, I don't rate it one jot in fact, but that's a personal preference. It falls down miserably in the speed department.

SILVER SWORD

STATISTICS:

Combat Abilities:
25% chance each hit that target must make a saving throw vs death (-2 penalty) or die.

THAC0: +3 bonus
Damage: 1D10 +3
Damage type: slashing
Weight: 15
Speed Factor: 10
Proficiency Type: Two Handed sword
Type: 2-handed
Requires: 14 Strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Cleric
Mage
Thief

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P.P.S.

My personal favourite is the Warblade followed by Soul Reaver.

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[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 07-17-2001).]

Please Waluin, leave the ToB stuff for the ToB forum. This is a BG2 forum. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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while carsomyr's dispel magic on hits and 50% MR are nice, these have a definite limited use. very very few opponents that you would send a fighter after actually have spells up that would be dispelled. magic resistance, imo, is a crapshoot, and i personally don't rely on even odds that my paladin will resist a spell (he already has great saves vs spells).

the silver sword is okay, but a 1 in 4 chance that they MIGHT fail a save vs death at -2 (death is usually the easiest to save against; many creatures where chopping their head off would be of the most benefit have death saves of under 4) just isn't much use to me. add in that there are tons of monsters that just don't have a head to chop off or are impossible to do so to and the mighty vorpal sword just doesn't cut it.

lilacor [sp] is fine for fledgling lords, and the immunity to confusion/charm seems to make it tailor made for minsc (love that 6 wisdom). but its lack of any combat or special abilities combined with "only" a +3 bonus puts this sword in the second tier.

the warblade isn't anything at all. an extra potential 2 points of damage, whoopee. speed factors are bunk. joe fighter still gets all his attacks PER ROUND regardless of whether they're early or late.

soul reaver, otoh, is always a benefit. anyone attacked by it is practically doomed to die as they become increasingly pathetic in combat. soul reaver is easily the best overall two-handed sword because, quite simply, it improves upon what a fighter is already superb at.

if you have doubts as to the reasoning, match up a paladin with carsomyr versus a fighter with soul reaver and see who meets his god.

Well i like the Silver sword, its a great laugh watching Minsc tear through cannon fodder with it.

The soul reaver is a great weapon, very cool especially what you have to do to get it as well. That and the more you fight the harder it is for them is brilliant.

Carsomyr problem is that its Paladins only and I dont like playing Paladins so that leaves Keldorn someone who is not frequently in the party.

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Yes I agree that Soul Reaver is the best overall sword in the game,(bar Carsomyr for Paladins) the only drawback being that you must be neutral or evil to wield it, unfortunately that doesn't always fit with the crew I use. Warblade still remains a personal favourite of mine for my good aligned party. I'm quite happy doing an extra 2 points of damage. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by Cavern Sniffer (edited 07-17-2001).]

I gave a warning, that's the best I can give ya. I can't censor myself or my arguement wouldn't have made sense. Sorry though, I'll try to watch myself http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 07-17-2001).]

Hardly a warning my friend, in the same line.....be fair. Tell me, was it a pleasant suprise for you to find that you could upgrade that sword or whatever? You have ruined that suprise for many. The best you could give was to not mention it at all. Why not just leave the ToB stuff where it belongs?

Hey Cavern Sniffer you think thats bad, Gwahnos spoiled me on the end of the Aerie romance, and its also my favorite romance I was spitting fire after that.

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I should have given it more space dude, my bad I swear! I was simply trying to substantiate my arguement (I forgot that I had to isolate it to BG). And no, it wasn't a surprise really. It was just a matter of benign convenience. Like I said I apologize. And in terms of leaving ToB where it belongs, what the heck part of "I'll watch myself" did not not interpret? I'm serious! I'll definitely watch my motor mouth. I'll edit my previous post as well in order to alleviate the damage done.


[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 07-17-2001).]

I've never given away a plot point EVER. Don't ever compare me to the likes of that. ESPECIALLY romances. If I do, I *heartily* make sure its labled as a spoiler far in advance of any relation to that effect. I know I have made a terrible mistake, but I refuse to relate points of plot or storyline in such a halfhazard manner. I sincerely apologize for my fumble.

[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 07-17-2001).]

No no, I'm sorry! My arguement was about the strength of the holy sword, and the enhancement provided making it even better. I was just happy to be talking about a favored item. I'm not sure how else to apologize. I'm sincerely at your mercy. If you wish, I will voluntarily remove myself for an amount of time of your designation. It was never my intention to offend.

[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 07-17-2001).]

Relax Waluin I probably phrased it wrong but it wasnt an attack on you and I know about your minor spoil already from Gamebanshee. No big thing OK I understand lots of people have been shouting at you latly so I guess you might be a little put out.

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Well it was a thrashing I diserve, I just wish to make amends with those I may have afflicted. Thanks for your understanding though, I feel horrible for my error.

LOL, no worries Waluin. I already deleted my post prior to yours arriving. Please, I know you're a decent bloke and I don't think you have "offended" anyone. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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Its not exactly a huge error or anything just an upgraded item, hell only people who have Keldorn will make any use of it anyway. I know the item descriptions coming but I think most of the fun is going to be finding them.

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technically, waluin's "spoiler" argument was an invalid one (on this board, at least http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif.

Amergin, your weapon speed synopsis has intrigued me and it's not something I really ever thought about before to be honest. So how would it pan out if we had two fighters of exactly the same stat's and levels, both doing say 4 attacks per round with equal weapons, the only difference being that fighter A has a weapon speed of 5 and fighter B a weapon speed of 10. Would it be that fighter A gets all 4 of his attacks in and finished (but then stands idle for the rest of the round) while fighter B has only got 2 of his attacks in? If this is the case then surely weapon speed is an important part of the proceedings as fighter B could well be pushing up the daisies before he gets his final 2 attacks in.

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Cavern Sniffer, in response to the weapon speed question...allow me to be a bit of a rules-lawer here and tell you how it works in PnP AD&D. When someone gets multiple attacks per round they get their first attack in initiative order to every other combatant and then they get their second and subsequent attacks after everyone has had their first attack. So, in the case of our two hypothetical fighters with four attacks each, the faster one would hit then the slower and back and forth like that. Now, one must keep in mind that weapon speed is just a modifier applied to the player's initiative roll, the lower the better so who hits first really comes down to the luck of the dice with an edge going to the combatant with the faster weapon...in other words it SHOULD make a difference and give advantage to the guy with the faster weapon but if the slower guy has a horseshoe shoved up his ass then he could come out on top. And hey, lets not discount poor to-hit rolls on either side of this equation. Still all things being equal, weapon speed will decide to contest.

As to my favorite sword...it's not 2-handed but Kundane +2 for my thief gives me an extra attack per round and has a speed factor of 0...and if I need extra +'s to hit something there's always Cutthroat.http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

good call, northraven.

of course, if all other things are equal the edge would go to the faster weapon. here, however, we were comparing two swords, the warblade and soul reaver. if two fighters of equal level, AC, and hp squared off and the luck or random factors removed, which would benefit its user more.

fighter A: AC:0, 120hp, THAC0 11, 4 attacks, wielding warblade (dmg 1-12+4, avg 10.5)
fighter B: AC:0, 120hp, THAC0 11, 4 attacks, wielding soul reaver (1-10+4, avg 9.5)

round 1: they'll each hit twice this round, with A causing 21 dmg and B causing 19. i'll be nice here and say that BOTH of B's hits came after A's as a nod to the weapon speed. from this point on, though, the playing field becomes skewed.

round 2: A was hit twice meaning that his THAC0 was increased by 4, making it a 15, or 25%. now instead of two hits per round on average, he's down to just one, and it only gets worse. fighter A can either die, or cry for mercy and bow to the superiority of soul reaver http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

You'll get no arguments from me on how wonderful soul-reaver is Amerigin...I would even go so far as to place it above Carsomyr which I consider to be a VERY over-rated weapon due to it's many limitations.

hmm, didnt mean to come off so bombastic. it's probably due to the fact that i'm a late convert to any 2-handed weapons at all and soul reaver is the only one that i like so far.

imo, 2-handed weapons don't cause enough damage, ESPECIALLY now that katanas do freakin 1-10 AND are considered one-handed. that's just not right. the very least they could have done was require an extra proficiency slot just to use it to account for its rarity and difficulty to master (so specialized would be 3 slots rather than 2, and grandmastery would require 6). but no. any schmuck from Tethyr can use a katana just like it was his grandfather's long sword. to see just how lopsided it's become, simply pretend that there are no magical versions to consider; would you choose a long sword+shield, katana+shield (aesthetically stupid but allowed), or 2-handed sword. judging from the posts in this forum, katana+shield would win in a landslide.

it's got to be a damn special weapon indeed if it's going to make me give up my shield and the potential +5 to my armor class (and possibly more vs missiles).

Ahh, but Katana's aren't that good, I mean you don't see +5 katana's do you (anyway, Katana's should be two handed, as thats how Japanese samurai used to wield them, even though they had a second shorter sword, this was a stabbing sword and not used for fighting as such).

anyway 2-handed swords suck, 'cos of the loss of armor class and slowness of their attacks....

But you sacrafice a bit of speed for some extra power, not to mention the pluses to hit. Only +4(or greater) weapon I can think of is Crom, Cutt Throat and possibly one of Drizzt's Scimitars. The two-handers have plenty of +4 and greater weapons such as The Wave(Halberd), Soul Reaver, Carsomyr, Warblade, Spear of Withering, and a few bows and X-Bows.

all i can say is larcol (sp) rules because of what he/it says but its not the most practical of sword. soul reaver is the best sword because carsomer is crap. and katana's should be wielded with two hands

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without a doubt: heartseeker +3

Can somebody remind me where Soul Reaver is? I must have find it, but propably sold it and didn't give it any attention, since all my fighters are good.

BTW, does anybody use "The Wave"? Is it worth the proficiencies in Halberds? I say no, but I never used it.

Bows ans crossbows are not affected by adding stars to Two-handed weapons, the bonuses only apply to mellee. I don't know about The Wave, it IS a +4 weapon, so it can be used against YOU KNOW WHO. But by the time you get it, you can have lots of other +4 weapons.....

Hanz123,
The Heartseeker+3 is a long bow, not a two-handed sword.
As for the best two-handed sword, I'd go with Carsomyr, although only paladins can wield it.

Hanz123,
The Heartseeker+3 is a long bow, not a two-handed sword.
As for the best two-handed sword, I'd go with Carsomyr, although only paladins can wield it.

In some posts people talk about a Holy Avenger. Is this Carsomyr and if not what chapter can you grab it in?

To answer your question no the wave is not worth it. 15% chance of 15 extra damage. Kills fire elementals salamandars on first hit. Wohoo... The dragons breath is better. To get the Holy Avenger you have to kill Firkragg. He's a Red Dragon and very very tough. Only paladins can use it.

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Which weapon is best? Depends on your character- if you run a Paladin, I think Carsomyr is the obvious choice. With my NE KEnsai/Mage, I alternate between the vorpal and the Soul Reaver...

So, one of the three.