Can anyone suggest spells to damage the Adamanite Golems and Rakasha as they are proving a bit troublesome.

http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/bald...ipsbyyou.shtml

That url should give you player tips. Read what Avar and Don have to say. There are basically two nice range weapons to acquire that should help in your dispatching of the golems. Both require no ammo.

From what has been read, these golems are in areas they can't get out of so ranged weapons help....especially the ones with big modifiers on them.

In this forum, it has been posted that you can sell certain items and buy them back to sell again to increase your gold. So there is a way to have a substantial amount of money to buy all the nice items not too long into the game.

G'luck and have fun. Oh, and if you make it far where Jah will leave for the harper quest.... stick with it since a really nice item is in store for her later on.

Well, the whole thing about golems is that they just kind of shrug off magic. Most golems can be pretty much whittled down to size by by just hacking at them with enough high plus weapons, though some only respond to high plus blunts. Adamantites and clays seem to be the toughest of the lot because only high plus blunt weapons work.

So in lieu of figuring out some strategy for applying as mant effective weopons to them as you can without them killing your party in the process, there are two golem killing weopons in the game. One of which is Crom Fayr, that has one shot golem hit kill probability. But if youre like me , and dont relish losing your girdle of frost giant strength and your gauntlets of ogre power...while your in the underdark, you really have to save up and pick up the "rod of smiting". Just give this baby to your most durable tank, and let him go in whacking the golems. They have to save vs death every hit. A strong pc can go thru hordes of golems quickly iwth this baby.

Thanks Guys,
got through the Golems with persistance and a Rod of Smiting, only to find a Stinking great Black Dragon!!!! I suspect there is a way to avoid a fight with him but where is the fun in that? Any tips?

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And the black dragon outside of Suldanessellar, You CAN avoid the fight, though you have to give the Black Dragon ALL OF YOU MONEY AND EQUIPMENT... so it is possible to just chuck all your stuff on the ground, though unless u have lots of money the Dragon Sez its not worth it and attacks u anyway.... which is bad if u have no equipment, obviously.

But u HAVE to confront Nizid'yimanti to finish the game.... If u have a Theif as ur character u CAN turn invisible and then try to pickpocket her, then run like hell when uve pickpocketed her... though no NPC will ever pickpocket a dragon 4 me.... the sissy's...... or u can try to turn her into dragon Sushi.... though personally I find her the hardest fight in SoA (Others dont of course) but if u do fight her keep AWAY from the plant growth, as if u get caught in it the Bugz she summons will tear u apart :( and other from that Tanking her has worked multiple times for me [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

What a friendly bunch you lot are!
Found out about the plant growth and bugs, tried full frontal tactics again just to make sure but to no avail. Also tried a bunch of elementals but ended up fighting them also. Im gonna enjoy this fight!
I think I my party may be a few levels shy to make it easy.

:D ..... neway what I do is try to get Nizid'yimanti to come out of her plant growth and then ambush here by having the rest of my party invisible, then when she stonskins and starts attacking 1 of my tanks they r already hacking away, she usually doesnt Wing Buffet much which is fun [img]smile.gif[/img] and I get the mages to Lower Resistance her and then help blast her [img]smile.gif[/img]

Keep in mind, dragons can see invisible creatures. That doesn't mean equiping the cloak of non-detection will help you in the slightest, as the point again is they can "SEE" through the invisibility.

Hoping you'll take this into consideration when planning tactics. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Summoning elementals and casting improved ac defense and speed help alot. Send them in to burn up the dragons spells, then go in for the kill with tanks and lower resistance spells from your mages. Then later have your picture taken standing next to the dead dragon, with a big smile on your face.

Sometimes its tough to remind yourself...."hey...I dont have to run in hacking to that area of angry poisionous plant tendrils..." You get so conditioned to just running in a hacking the stuffing out of everything in site, that you forget you can just stay put,let the dragon sit in her little zone of death and hurting, pouting cuz your not sending anything but little summoned creatures into her but one at a time, just to keep her mildly occupied, while you pelt her with distance attacks and the aforementioned cloudkill(though she can turn theses summoned creatures against you...either that or they just get mad at you cuz your sending them into a cloudkill zone...but you can handle them). Eventually, shell come out to get you, but from my experience, she doesnt do that nasty plant thing again. If youve gotten her down to about "injured" status, by the time she moves out, applying a full party beat down now with hastened fighters should do the job the rest of the way. Shes really not that tough. Not as tough as the other dragons, or even a pack of mind-flayers. Id take this dragon over a 5 pack of illithids and some umber hulks any day.

After reading this post I had to break open one of my old saves and do the fight, and technically I won... but with only two party members left... heh, luckily one was Jah so she could bring them back... anyways:
Stalker(me, love this class... ranger who can BS!)
Imoen, Jah, Minsc, Aerie, and Nalia
btw this is my favorite party.. lotsa variety, lotsa healing, lotsa spells
anyways... one of the buildings in the elf town has a time stop scroll
so.. start the fight
Aerie time stops, greater malaises, and shoots of as many Dooms before time resumes
Then me, minsc, aerie, and Jah spend the first round shooting more Doom... found out in another post they stack... I think..
elementals are sent in as fodder while everyone else stays back using range items (to various degrees of effectiveness) while Nalia, Aerie, and Imoen fire off about 9 cloudkills in 3 rounds... with all the save reduction these seriously spam your screen with damage to the dragon..
at this point I sat back and laughed, until the damn dragon cast the damn bugs... lost aerie, nalia AND Imoen... Minsc being the big dolt he is said "I must protect my witch!" and ran face first into the dragons mouth and all the cloudkills...
Luckily, Jah survived the bugs and brought everyone back

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Izanagi:
Keep in mind, dragons can see invisible creatures. That doesn't mean equiping the cloak of non-detection will help you in the slightest, as the point again is they can "SEE" through the invisibility.

Hoping you'll take this into consideration when planning tactics. [img]smile.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>
Uhhhh Its DEMONS that can see invisible creatures.... Dragons cant in my Experience

Thankyou for the suggestions guys. I KICKED HIS SCALEY ARSE!!!!
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And celebrated with healing potions all round [img]graemlins/cheers.gif[/img]

From the later replies it appears my party is indeed low in XP as I have no magic users able to use lvl 9 spells (time stop etc). Just out of curiosity what is the average level of parties completing the game? I have pushed on ignoring a few of the non essential side quests and missed out on a bunch of XP (and items) along the way.

Well unless you have a cheat enabled, or have TOB installed, its impossible during regular SOA play for mages to get enough experience to memorize 9th level spells...but hey could still use 9th level scroll if they are high enough level. At any rate however, you should by no means need 9th level magic to beat the black dragon. Time stop is a super powerful spell, but good tactics are more than effective against the black dragon.

I dont think I ever even cast any 8th level spells out of neccesity during the game. I mazed somebody once just to see it work...but that was the only time.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by chevalier mal fet:
Well unless you have a cheat enabled, or have TOB installed, its impossible during regular SOA play for mages to get enough experience to memorize 9th level spells...but hey could still use 9th level scroll if they are high enough level.

I dont think I ever even cast any 8th level spells out of neccesity during the game. I mazed somebody once just to see it work...but that was the only time.<hr></blockquote>

Are you saying that the late or middle game pick-up mages won't have enough exp available for them to hit level 18? Or are you saying that the "npc mages" don't have high enough int for the spells to scribe?

It's not experience that limits your lvl 9 spell usage. It's your INT. At level 18 with an int of 18 or higher you will have one spot open in your mage book for the lvl 9 spell( note I think this only works for your base int and not modified). If you have 17 int or lower, you will never see this spot open. lvl 18 and 19 offers one lvl 9 spell spot in the book. Lvl 20 gives you two. All that if your int is 18 or higher.

I am merely quoting what I read from the d&d faq. So a priest with a wis of 16 like Anomen sucks later on since he won't get the higher end spells cuz his wis is too low. I'm finding this out all too late.

But here check it for yourself:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/
Go there and then to BGII and look under D&D FAQ. I was directed there and it offers alot of clarity. Scroll down to the mage section. There are two charts you will want to look at- the number of spells allowed to be scribed per lvl and the int needed per lvl.

So, if you REALLY want to hit lvl 18 with an 18 INT caster or higher to see some lvl 9 spells, I suggest ya drop some party members and DUO to hog up the exp SOA offers since it's limited.

Welp, hope that helps someone somewhere.

@ chev, I read the exp level cap bit in the manual as I was trying to figure out what ya meant earlier. Damn them all to hell. I just couldn't believe what ya were saying til I read it for myself I guess. You were meaning that lvl 17 is the highest a mage could go.

Doesn't mean we can't quaff down some int potions and then use the scrolls as ya said, which I think is better than nothing.

Grr, I'm here lookin for what npc mages will have that base int of 18 to keep them for later on, come here and wonder, and find the answer which I hate.

Sometimes it's good to be left in the dark.

Now I can find peace in understanding what ya also meant about the lvl 9 spells.

And a woohoo for still having my manual.

If being denied the godlike prowess of the ninth (and tenth) level spells is gonna cramp your style, you can always just pop the 30 bucks for Throne of Baal expansion now, before you go much further in the game. TOB cracks everything wide open , and gives even more powerful spells, while allowing you to finish out your SOA game seamlessly. Theres an experience cap in that game too....It stops you right around demi-god status(lev 35-40).

Or, you can always hack the game(cheat).

Chev

my first go at the dragon was really suprising becaue,i only used BREACHes and DISPELLS and hacked it away senselessly and the Dragon was ded... Di Ei Di, DED!

i had no trouble at all i didnt haste (although the Beserker and Valygar had the Boots of Speed)... Keldorn de-spelled wif every hit, imoen and edwin breached and Jehiera did something but i cant remmember...(shes great)

Peace

my first go at the dragon was really suprising becaue,i only used BREACHes and DISPELLS and hacked it away senselessly and the Dragon was ded... Di Ei Di, DED!

i had no trouble at all i didnt haste (although the Beserker and Valygar had the Boots of Speed)... Keldorn de-spelled wif every hit, imoen and edwin breached and Jehiera did something but i cant remmember...(shes great)

(by the way: nearly all of my characters were at 2950000 <-- that might have made a diffrence)

Peace

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by chevalier mal fet:
If being denied the godlike prowess of the ninth (and tenth) level spells is gonna cramp your style, you can always just pop the 30 bucks for Throne of Baal expansion now, before you go much further in the game. TOB cracks everything wide open , and gives even more powerful spells, while allowing you to finish out your SOA game seamlessly. Theres an experience cap in that game too....It stops you right around demi-god status(lev 35-40).

Or, you can always hack the game(cheat).

Chev<hr></blockquote>

LOL,
TOB would probably cramp my gaming more than some 1 or 2 spells I can't scribe. No biggy( heh, getting familiar with all the other spells is tuff as is). I also got 2 other games I bought during the same time as this one, one being Lords of Magic and I haven't even touched that one.

With the idea of "just play" I was a tiny bit disappointed when I found out Anomen doesn't become a paladin which I thought he would turn into from knighthood.

In reading up on some of the rules however I've understood the game better. And the reminder that there is a cap isn't something that would make me drop the game, Not in a million years [img]smile.gif[/img]

And for the thing about the cheat, I don't really like the idea tho I can't say Im'a purist. If there is a way to get money like there is by stealing and selling, I use clua for faster money knowing the game makes it non-issue. However, using it to periodically change stats or create stuff out of blue is best left to those not going at it for a first time.

I see nothing wrong with ppl making mistakes and correcting them for that time being with shadowkeeper or such. I made a noobie mistake and on my first few rolls stuck to a set only becuase I saw a natural 19 for str. I had been getting some 17 str 17 dex and 16 con in rolls but didnt know better. SO to "fix" that I just rolled a 6 sided die and told myself subtract 1 to whatever number it is and add it to my dex. I can live with that just like I can knowing mages won't get lvl 9 spells.

Put it this way, in finding all the cool stuff there is to know about this game and how it causes nastalgia of playing old D&D board games, I'm sure to see good things about it and some things I can live with. All embraced.

Gah, and now that reminds me that I played my first cardboard game hrm, 12-15 years ago? =(

Well, my thoughts on having hacks or game editors of any kind, is that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Once you use out of game capabilities to alter the game for any reason, even with the best of intentions ( and even if you feel it fits in the "spirit" of the game), you lose forever that sense of urgency or excitement generated by the game world. I dont even want a game editor in my possesion, because I know that its so tempting to use it...and I just dont want to have to work that hard. One of the great things about BG, is the fact that the gameworld is so open ended, mirroring real life better than so many other games, in that you can make mistakes, and you do the best you can with what you have. Once you know that the game cant do anything to you that you cant "fix"...you lose that edge of excitement which is the closest thing any game can deliver thats remotely close to a real sense of danger.

Bugs are a slightly different issue, but from my knowledge, there are no bugs that would keep you from finishing and enjoying the game...and its still not worth (in my opinion) breaking that sense of excitement by even having a game editor in your possesion. If you complete most of the quests in the game, chances are, youll already be remarkably powerful, and by the last few chapters youll be pretyy much tearing up everything anyways. I for one, fail to see the appeal in artificially enhancing a plyer further to go back and rekill all the things youve already killed in 2 seconds instead of 10. If your to that point, wouldnt it be so much more fun to get a new game?

Just my two cents
Chev

I agree Chev', cant see the point of cheating, especially first time around in any game. I have just completed (The best 25 quid I have spent for some time BTW)and only now looking @ walkthroughs etc. There are small parts of Bauldurs Gate that I have not seen, which only adds to the fantasy for me. If I were to become omniscient the magic would be lost.

Thanks to all who have given suggestions along the way.

Looking for another adventure
Taliesin Half Elf Fighter Mage. Independant Mercenary with a soul.
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