Coming from a deep Final Fantasy background, I always seem to get a little scared when I'm forced to give someone the boot. Well, the time has finally arrived.

I'm working on the Unseeing eye quest for the temple of Helm, and I've run into mr. goody goody paladin (ok ok INQUISITOR) Keldorn. I got a pretty good thing going with myself (a dual wielding blade), minsc (duh), Valygar Corthala (dual wielding Katanas, one his family sword), Yoshimo (a capable a thief as any, what can I say, he's grown on me *for now*), Jaheira, and Aerie. (which I are essentially my spell tossin' tag-team, and Jaheira is a rather potent melee force in a pinch too).

Do I need Keldorn? I mean, I can turn him down. Just curious on opinions.

[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 06-25-2001).]

Well, it's up to you, but Carsomyr is the best sword in the game. And only a paladin can wield it.

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Well, of the bunch, who should I toss? Valygar Corthala gets my vote, but I like his character alot. Damn my infernal attachment to character storylines! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 06-25-2001).]

That's a judgement call personally I didn't care much for Valygar. But anyone you drop can pick them back up later.

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Agreed. I apologzie for utilizing a presently over-accentuated euphanism, but it appears Valygar Corthala is the "weakest link". I believe its time for VC to say goodbye...AFTER I rape all his equipment.

It is always difficult in BG2 to decide who should be in the party, because all NPCs have very bright personalities and the question To Drop Or Not To Drop becomes the most hard to answer. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
I like Valygar really much, and I can tell tales about his advantages till next morning... BUT I still think he is not much a fighter, *sigh* he is weak in combat.
As to Keldorn... well, he is wonderful addition to any party, IMO http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by Tananda (edited 06-25-2001).]

It's really hard to choose what party composition you will stick with. I rather liked the Valygar concept. After all, he nixed 2 cowled wizards on his own! Anybody who does that can't be all bad.

If you give him a set of first rate equipment, he becomes a powerful force. He can use Malakar, Celestial Fury, or his Family sword. He has decent HP, a good THAC0, and can backstab (with the patch). That makes him a great mage killer. If you use his family weapon, he works as well as a kind of assassin - doing "poison" damage. Try out his katana on Trolls, and you'll be pleasantly surprised to see them die permanently. He's nasty to Illithids too.
As a frontline fighter or a tank, he won't match a full blown fighter, paladin or regular ranger. But he makes a great scout and is most useful in a fight.

On the other hand Keldorn is a nifty character also. You just can't lose with either one.

Yeah, no kiddin. I suppose that is what makes it so hard, eh? Unfortunately for Keldorn (and his paladin potential), Valygar has really grown on me. That and the fact that he really does hold his own with the dual-wielding magic katanas, I dont think I want to let him go. My character is no tank, but with him, myself, and minsc together we usually can do a decent front line force.

Argh, I wont make a final decision until tomorrow. The beauty of a saved game. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif



[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 06-25-2001).]

I know what you mean about the Final Fantasy thing Walukin, I've got the same problem (?) myself. I'd go with Keldorn myself as he is a great NPC, but also a great character...I saw him as the grizzled veteran in my group, a kind of gentleman warrior whom any good party would be poorer without. However, as I said, I see where you are coming from (I'm starting Final Fantasy 9 right now btw-I love it!), and if you like Valygar go with it I say. Besides no NPC however good is indispensable, so Holy Avenger or no Holy Avenger-leave Keldorn out, you dont absolutely need him.

[This message has been edited by Ravana (edited 06-25-2001).]

good lord, whats the problem, burn Yoshimo, he's dross....

Yes, but I needzor a good thief. I mean, I can do the job in a
pinch but my Blade characters is more of a fighter.

Yep I am with you Donkeywan....drop Yoshimo what a waste of space.

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If you are worried about a thief, you can ditch Aerie when Imoen comes back

Problem: Aerie has memorized hella-spells. I mean it, she's loaded, and she's just entering the very nub of her beginning potential. She's basically a powerhouse of offensive, defensive, and mage-hindering magic. I'd hate to remove her. Imoen is ok, but to be honest, she whines alot. (?)

Note to consider: I got gloves to get Keldorn up to 18/00...



[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 06-25-2001).]

Drop Minsc for Keldorn. You got a ranger "Valygar", Keldorn can pick up Minsc's 2-H-Sword and later use Corsamyr. Minsc has only 2 quick weapon slots http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

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Dropping Minsc is like dropping my uncle joe. I've known him forever, and even though he's not a real uncle, he might as well be http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

Besides, I'd miss Boo and related dialogue too much. Nothing makes me grin more than listening to Minsc's simple natured dialogue after a successful quest. Oh, and he's protecting a new witch, remember. I know its just a video game, but I'd be really backstabbing the poor fellow in the back if I dumped him now.

Looks like I may be dumping the V-man for Keldorn. Its the only character I have the least amount of need for. Well, 'cept for Yoshi. I could off him, technically. But then it would leave me in the roll of thief (oi.)

"Magic is good, but now Minsc is in charge! Swords for everyone!"


[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 06-25-2001).]

No no ... the guy is soft in the head ! And is pretty usless to boot. I got no problem with anyone playing him, but when someone asks for advice I say Minsc belongs in a home for the mentally impaired and not in the dangerous environs of adventuring.

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Yeah, he's pretty dense. But when I see him hasted/aided/blessed/chanted/etc'd and hitting the front line of baddies, then seeing the baddies explode into neat chunks one after the other, I still see a little semblence of potential. Granted, he's not much use for much else, but hey, I'm a softy at heart. Maybe Minsc is the logical choice. But then again, I rule with my heart. Good point though, I'll have to consider it.

As of right now, I think the V-man still gets my vote for the boot.

This discussion is pretty cool. Any other opinions/takers?

[This message has been edited by Waluin (edited 06-25-2001).]

A update/bump, depending on wheter someone thinks I'm horribly wrong.

Here's what I've come to conclude:
1) Minsc/Valygar are the logical choices to drop. Yoshi is my go-to thief, and I'm gonna need that until I get better options in that area. Imoen nonwithstanding. I dont want to drop Minsc. I just dont have the heart to.

2)Keldorn kicks ass. What can I say, he does. Valygar is a great character, but when it comes down to the final equation Keldorn is better in a fight, obviously.

So when I get home from work, I'm droppin Valygar for Keldorn. If need be, I can always return to his cabin to pick him up later.

Another thing to consider: this sorta frees up minsc for me so I can try out some other combat types. I recently aquired "the ripper" longbow and want to try it out with him.

bump/update again.

I just wanted to say that I made the right call, and thanks everyone.

The K-man just kicks total ass. Crossbow is nice touch. Go Mr. Paladin Go!