I Did not have her in all of BG1 and dumped her early in BG2. I will not have a party member question my authority! She is to lippy! I punched her once just to see if it would straighten her out (i forgot what happened) I almost dumped Anomen too, but then his alignment changed, did you all notice that... LN to LG

Awww, no! Jahiera's a wonderful character, and she seems a lot more 'real' than many of the other NPCs simply through sheer force of personality. She can zap things with spells, fight well, heal and has some exceptionally amusing conversations with other NPCs - and there's nothing like having someone challenge your authority to demonstrate to everyone that you're right. If no-one questions your plans, how is anyone going to see how perfect they are? Plus, she is the heroine of the most satisfying, deep romance plot of the lot IMO. I can't agree with you less.

I haven't played BG1 yet, so no comments for that one.

In BG2 though... ... THE NAGGING!!!! IT DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!!

The only reason why Jaheira exists in my party is because of one reason... ... Her spells. She doesn't need to hold for 3 rounds summoning her fire elemental unlike the mage version, and Mountain Bears rock too. Insect Plague is very useful too.

I could use Cernd, but his inability to wear armour is rather disturbing for me. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif

Jaheira starts out a little lippy in BG2 (she is dealing with her husband's death, after all). However, if you pursue the romance with her, or even if you just play along, she softens up considerably.

Anomen, on the other hand, DIRECTLY questions your authority, by implying that he can run the group better than you can. And frankly, I don't care if he becomes a saint, he still is very arrogant in his dealings with the party after that point. I guess this goes along with his 12 Wisdom (for a cleric, much less).

All in all, Jaheira tends to be a better investment, even if you never pursue a romance with her (however, hers has a lot of quests and fighting, so hardest of all of them to pursue, but worth it due to the amount of experience you get). Plus, as a druid, she gets access to some spells that clerics do not (elemental summoning, conjure animals) and gets the higher level spells at a lower level. She cannot advance past 14th level as a druid, but still accumulates experience. This allows her to advance quickly once she gets into the Throne of Bhaal expansion. I have played with both, and Anomen is almost universally hated for a reason! Between his attitude and his low wisdom, who would want him (no wonder his dad kicked him out of his house).

Here is my confession: Yes, I hate Jaheira. I hated her in BG1 (where she was killed by wild animals - you know how that could be with those unpleasant NPCs http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif and I hate her even more in BG2. No matter how skilled she is or what useful spells she has - I cannot stand her in my party because she is annoying.
Even Anomen has a better personality http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif.


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I'd have to say that having Jaheira in my party was great. Nothing like having a great arguement over everything to irritate yah and make you enjoy clubbing a few monsters to get a smile on your face. Anomen started to bug me with his "I'm worthy this and that" but I would solve that by sending him into a dark dungeon first and while the rest of us stand back and watch, heh. That'll teach yah!

i must say, i hate jaheria. firstly, shes a druid and a harper. nuff said. also, shes ANNOYING! and, did it disturb anyone else that she only half-mourned her dead husband, and that was only for a few days! in bg1 i never had her cuz i had to bring whiny Khalid along, who always ended up being killed by a kobold. a fighter w/ 15 strengh? Bwahahaha!!!

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Good Call, Jaheira rocks!!!
She is a forceful intelligent woman, and an effective NPC-besides I dont mind that she questions me, if I was in my group I'd question me too http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

HEY!!!

Don't talk badly about my woman!

She sure does cuddle and snuggle nice!

I have been defending Jaheira on this board from the beginning, and I will keep doing so until the bitter end.... SHE ROCKS!!!!!!
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Anomen starts out pretty lippy (LN and 12 wisdom) But when he becomes a knight of the most radiant heart his wisdon moves up to 16 and he becomes LG And best of all he shuts up!!! Did anyone else play this out? It dont' sound like he is too popular!

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If he kills the merchant's daughter he becomse CN and attacks party members after a while (or at least Aerie) - I disintegrated the stuck-up, pompous piece of shit after that
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He becomes LG if the Order accepts him and his stats increase (WIS and one other I believe)


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I had her all the way through BGII and I am now playing BGI...started out with her, but just got immediately annoyed with her taunting and generally nasty mood. So, I let her fight some Gnolls by herself and replaced her with Branwyn and we are all much happier. In BGII I remember thinking often...I wish I had kept Naomi (?) or some other healer! Jahiera took on the protection thing with a big chip on her shoulder I think. Anyway, she is not missed by me!

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Jaheira sucks, the only reason I tolerate her is because she is such a powerful character. Her personality is terrible and whatever Irenicus put Khalid through was probably nothing compared to being married to the sour mouthed cow!

Jaheria is a pain in the arse, but she it is better than having that muppet, Anomen, damn he is an arrogant T&*^

Jaheira is great, she's been in every single one of my partys.
She is not only a good allround warior but she also has some nice dialog.

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Those who watch their backs meet death from the front- Dreamer128 paladin of the order of the holy flame.

YOU ARE SOOOOOO HEARTLESS

KHALIDD just died!

I hope the liches kill you in this game

Agreed. I guess its a manner of perspective http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

As I said before, I'd take Anomen over Jaheira anyday! The only reason Jaheira hasn't met the boot of doom is because of her summon elemental spell and her mountain bears. Face it, she sucks as a fighter(I mean, she is stuck using druid weapons)while Anomen romps and stomps and her druidic spells, not to mention her 14 WISDOM is only marginally better than Anomen's cleric spells. And if you guys actually played Anomen instead of disintergrating him, you would realize how much more useful he is over Jaheira. And yes, Anomen's wisdom score increases to a 16 once he becomes a knight, and thats 2 points higher than that lippy druid.

On a side note, I would have to agree about the torture Khalid was put through. It was probably more humane than being married to Jaheira.

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I got her at -5AC with 18/00 Strength and a nice magical scimitar and other nice equipment. She even gets a missle bonus with a spot point in Sword and Sheild usage. And the shield she has is rather nice too. That's WITHOUT any of the usual buffing spells I put on the team before a battle either. She can deal it both ways friend, and I don't have a problem with 'lippyness'. In fact, I'll take her lip over Aerie's witless harping for her past and wings.

That may sound like small potatoes right now, but thats because I'm still eaerly into the game, and for that range of time I think she's doin mighty fine.


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bah! You want great conversation and dialog go with the all mighty evil dwarf guy...Korgan! Put anyone thats neutral or good in your party and listen to the insults fly ..bwahahahaha

I always liked having Jaheira in each of my parties. A little competition of wits never hurt anyone. IMO I thought that Jaheira was one of the few characters that had quite a personality. But the best part is when she argues with enemies...nothing like a ticked off druid swearing to really put a smile on your face.

Jaheira is great! She is one of the few characters in the game that combines power, and personality in one. For example: Anomen is a very strong character, but is a @#$#$%!!! Jaheira is a character that I take all the time ( in EVERY way!) -jk


GO DWARVES GO!

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Yes but my PCs are male, and are not gay either http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif.
......not that theres anything wrong with that of course http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

My first, all-conquering, we're-fresh-from-BG1, we're-hard-as-nails party used both Jahiera and Anomen, and the pair make an impressive team. With their clubs, flails, staves and slings they were the two most adaptable members of the party, able to come up with something that could face any threat. Having the pair of them, plus my own Cavalier Tancred and Minsc, gives any party a tremendous amount of healing potential that allowed the party to literally put themselves back together after any disastrous enocunter whilst saving on the potions.

i just had to reply and stick up for jaheira as it seems most of the bashers are completely overlooking one MAJOR fact: her alignment is NEUTRAL! read the @$#%@@ description of what neutral is and how tough it is to tow that line. as she is so fond of saying, balance is everything, it just so happens that evil, by its very nature, strives for dominance so "neutral" is often closer to "good". she can't concern herself with trivialities because she, quite contrary to the egocentrics Anomen and Edwin, is always looking at the big picture.

as far as her short mourning period for khalid... what, are you all a bunch of sappy 8th grade romantics? tons of people see death as just a transition to another place, and if some religions are to be believed, a better place. any mourning would be for her own loss of a longtime companion and confidante since the deceased no longer has any wordly concerns burdening them. miss them, yes; become mired in sentimental depression, no.

given that an organization to which she belongs to and supposedly is a force for right and justice is not only hounding a friend of hers, but is apparently doing so for selfish (read: trivial) and evil reasons. this would be like a devout catholic discovering that her bishop is funneling charity money into drug dealing. HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING, YOU LOUTS! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

finally, if you've never had the subtle pleasure of a companion that wants you to succeed so much that she occassionally challenges your goals and beliefs, then you are the lesser for it. she never says what you're doing is worthless or wrong; she's asking so she can understand why you're doing it, and therefore understand you.

imo, not only is she the most developed character, she is the most loyal and steadfast, and that makes her far better than ANY of the others from a roleplaying perspective (and powergamers should ignore personalities anyway http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif)

Amergin
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finally, someone to substantiate my feelings.

I'd like to point out to all the people who harp on how Jaheira didn't mourn Khalid and how it was worse torture to be married to Jaheira:

Don't you remember what a spineless dork Khalid was from BG1?? Maybe such a sensitive man struck her as romantic at first, but after 50+ years of the half-elven sensitive man, you'd gripe at him, too! And the stuttering. It's like living with Robin Williams' Mork.

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Heh, amen to that!

Nano Nano! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

Jaheria is a damn cool character. Just because she is complex doesn't make her suck. It makes her better. And whoever was ripping on harpers, harpers are also cool. the only d&d books i've read (beside pool of radiance) were about harpers.

Just because the harpers in the docks are bastards doesn't mean they all are. I might have to play a game as true neutral some time. maybe just me and jaheria, and Imoen when that comes along, because Imoen is cool too i think http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

If anyone in the game gets on my nerves, its Minsc. He's just too dumb for my tastes. If he isn't charm proof, confusion proof, etc, he'll just do more damage to the party than the baddies. Minsc is too high maintainance, but that is not to say he doesn't have good qualities. Enough to keep him in my party so far.

dulouz.

I own first edition prints of all the harper novels. Rock on.

Imoen rules, I agree

Misnc is horrifyingly stupid, but I like Mr.Boo and he's been around for ages.

How about "who hates Fulant for posting this?"....just joking!

Jaheira is great role player...you are not?