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LVl 40 Half-roc BARBARIAN Stats(base) 19 str 19 con 18 dex 15 wis (dosen't matter) 17 int (dosen't matter) 16 cha (dosen't matter) -Around 300+ Hp (near maxed) -attacks 3/1 -Ac -15(or better) Resitances 60%+ magic resis -50% magic damage (slashing ect... all around 50%) Immune to Posion, mind control, regenerates (blakrazer +ring of Gaxx...) equipment used |
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-shield(sentinal+4) -rings (ring of gaxx(x2) went through game twice) -amulet (+2 of prot)-works with red dragon scale -armor (red dragon scale) -boots (of speed...what else lol) -belt (of inertial barrier) -cloak (of mirroring) -gloves (of weapons expertise) -helm (balduran) This basically makes the best character in the game has immunities of a GOD! has the life of A GOD! has the ac of a GOD! has the eq of a GOD(maybe not)! ADD in the beserk AHAHAH immnue to mind/fear/poison/resist all/regerates faster then a GOD!!! If you know of any character that could top this one potentially please respond!!! |
Heh. Powerful, but 3/4 of what makes him powerful are buffs and equipment, not the class per se. I'd say that a level 40 (even level 30) mage *could* easily kick the ass of a level 40 barbarian, though the terrain and circumstances will influence this. Cloak of cheating greatly unbalances this. Then again, with the proper spells memorized, hypothetically this could happen:
1. Cast Absolute Immunity 2. Cast Time stop 3. Cast Lower Resistance x2 (will affect as is is not classified as damage) 4. Cast Time stop again 5. Cast Abidalzims 2x (AOE spells will affect you) 6. Cast time stop again 7. cast Abidalzims Keep doing until you die. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif Of course, you could always swallow a potion of invisibility and attack me before I knew you were there. But then again, I could always have a stoneskin cast and then cast True Seeing once you attacked and became visible. Then again, you could cast Protection from Magic and whup my ass. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif See how this gets circular? There's no such thing as a *best* class IMHO - it's what you like the most and can buff up the most. But, that's just my opinion, let's see what others think! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/genwalk.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/memname.gif |
WAIT a MINUTE I am not trying to say I have the best PVP character here!!! i am saying in a party this would be the Ultimate TANK!!!
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But what Memmnoch is saying is that any character at level 40 and with good equipment would be really good. If you got a level 40 monk or kensi with good gear you would probably find that it would be better than you Barbarian.
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errr..
17 int for a half-orc barbarian? |
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Takes 9/10 of a round to cast that first spell! ------------------ http://www.netexecutive.net/images/dragon.gif The Black Killer |
Not if you have a ring or the cloak that speed up casting speeds........
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Hoarhah!!! The ultimate solution!! Barbarian dauled to Mage at lvl 40!!!!Hoarhah
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Yer but it wouild take quite a while to get 2 level 40 and then to duelclass to a mgae and get 2 level 41 so you could actually lose your barbarian skills.
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The cloak of mirroring rebounds horrid wilting Memnoch!
My ranger could kick that mage into the gutter..... But the mage would turn him into crutons for his evening soup after wards! ------------------ Kneel before the biggest cheese in the world, ALL HAIL CHEESE! |
Cast a couple hakeshar(sp) and hope for them to eat the cloak of mirroriing hehe. Also if you have robe of vecna and amulet of power it would take 5 rounds to cast timestop. But i don't think cloak of mirroring reflects AE(area effect) spells.
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You have no idea how sick of I am of people trumpeting the cloak of mirroring the most sickening overpowered item in the game, its for the cheese monsters.
oh by the way I think your immunities are 40% and finally barbarian rage dosnt affect timestop or imprisonment the beserker rage does though ------------------ http://www.ffnet.net/ff7/images/cloud.gif |
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I'm pretty sure that Cloak of Cheating does not reflect AOE spells. The spell as to be DIRECTLY cast at you for it to be repelled. If not AbiDalzims, then Incendiary Cloud or something similar. Or I could just cast imprisonment, which will end it. Barbarian rage does not protect against imprisonment, Berserker Enrage does (for some strange reason). Anyway the point I'm making is that it will be a totally circular argument, as you can always buff up a character to beat another one in PvP. The TRUE test is with no special buffs like Cloak of Cheating or Protection from Magic scrolls etc. Though it can be fun arguing (for some). http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif PS. I just noticed that your stat totals add up to 104, madmartigan. Pretty impressive, mate! You must have been rerolling for quite a while! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/genwalk.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/memname.gif [This message has been edited by Memnoch (edited 06-03-2001).] |
King biscuit the stone dragon would kill you all then decorate his throne of scone with your skulls http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif memnoch you told me barbarian rage DOES protect from imprisonment why did you lie to me WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. 250 says he beat level 30ish pc mages with his level 19 barbarian so its all tactics not the class you pick.....or its all 250 BS'ing http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif where is that guy anyways?
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LOLSFHKASARLMSFLBP => LAUGHING OUT LOUD SO FREAKING HARD KOOL AID SPOOGED AROUND ROOM LIKE MONEY SHOT FROM LOW BUDGET PORNO
OK, Who let the munchkins out? Talk about CHEESE !!! 104 Stat Total? How can he wear RED DRAGON scale? Correct me If I'm wrong, but the Barbarian can't wear it... (It's counted as plate mail, isn't it?) 2 Rings of GAXX ??? You know, I would EASILY put Perin against him. 94 Stat Points, Only played through once. NO RING OF GAXX. NO CHEESE AT ALL... I'll match you levels, and let you have all the items you asked for. You won't ever touch me... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...sfiring_v1.gif Here's why. GRANDMASTERY of Longbow. Combined with the Called Shot ability. Combined with my Mana Bow , Arrows of Dispelling and Biting. No problems... Arrows of Biting, take 30% of Max hit points within 20 sec of hit. The poison makes YOU pause, once per round. AND I can put 5 in you per round (GrandMastery bounus, plus Boots of Speed Bonus) http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/hihi.gif Like I said, no problemshttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...sfiring_v1.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...ievalsmile.gif ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif |
Now, Madmartigan ( I love the name, BTW)
Don't take offence if I came off strong in my first post. Just know that ANY character can fall to another. and, I take special animosity towards manufactured gods... I'm sure you are a great guy, but PLEASE tell me you're not playin this character... ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif |
Is it me or does the guy have every cheapskate weapon in the game? I'm all for using all available tools but that guy is decked out with possibly every item in the game worth using. Its like powergaming on ecstacy..
Personally I'd be more impressed if he used non-standard equipment (which does not include blackrazor, boots of speed, the cloak of mirroring etc) While the barbarian could pound away at a little mage or cleric, he'd fall against another warrior. A lvl 40 kensai without any armor or gauntlets or shields OR a lvl 40 monk's quivering palm would mop the floor with his hide easily. ------------------ Why? |
Well I would say that the one that wins the initiative would win the fight. First strike can disrupt mage concentration and mage first spell can end the whole fight!
And don´t forget that at lvl 40 guys have so tupidily high saving throws that you have to cast spells with no saves alowed to get anything to happen.. And, a level 40 barbarian could still throw a mage of a cliff... ------------------ http://wolfgir.najk.net/wolfie.gif Yawning lazywolf dreaming about nice little fairies...zzzzz |
dude, if the mage has absolute immunity, that barbarian cant hit him. this leaves 4 rounds open for any spell possible (preferably non-saving throw or 1/2 dam w/ saving throw). this includes Meteor Storm, Abi Dalzims, Skull trap (still damaging even w/ save). the cloak wont reflect that no matter what, and to madmartigan, i would like to suggest gauntlets of AC3 for use
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Contingency, chain contingency, and spell sequencer. >=D
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LOL you guys are JOKERS, anyway this Barbarian did play through the whole GAME! 3 Times in FACT! (and no cheating exept for keeping items from one game to the next). My only point in this post was that for melee vrs melee he's the Ultimate TANK!. I know any character can loose to any character! But I just wanted to show just how over the TOP this particular barb is! AND YES he is decked out with the best items in the game! (I went through the game 3 TIMES)!
On a side note to all the ppl out there who challenge this BARB! (if yer melee you have basically no chance unless you cheat(non BG2 items) or have another barb of equivalent LEVEL( then it would be down to LUCK) AND YES BARBARIANS CAN WEAR RED DRAGON ARMOR!!! |
REASONS WHY BARB WILL WIN! (responding to ppl's post-"I bet I can kill that barb EASY") let me think, ummmm NO!
First off! Against Any melee Class-> hmm SUPER HIGH RESISTANCES! -15 ac! 300 hp! 24 str with beserk add in blakrazer 3 str or crom 25 base str! SUPER HIGH DMG! -> only challenge in melee would be another barb decked out like mine! Second! For spellcasters!-> COnsidering I am lvl 40 I have tons of prof's so I would probably use CRom+5 plus flail of ages!(make you super SLOW) or the resitance adding SHIELD! -> maybe you get all yer spells of before me! okay you cast all yer spells! only ones that have a chance are the insta kills! WEll let me see lvl 40 savign throws! GET OUT OF HERE!!! You'd have to cast all lower resitances first then lower saves then ... ect... You think I woudl be just standing there that whole TIME??? LOLOL |
-> as for speed BARB ARE FASTEST CLASS IN THE GAME!!! HELLO =2 movement/ boots of speed ect... My crom will still hit yer total immunity!
-> please tell me how this barb would loose to a spellcaster(say odds 50/50) no first attack B.S, say we both get our attacks of at the same time! Give ya a chance! -> and if yer a melee class saying you could win (other then barb) PLEASE OH PLEASE relate to me how this would happen AND FOR THAT BOW USING MORON(RUDEDAWG)-> barbs fastest in the game catch up to you in 2 secs! (poison! dumb LOLOL I wear ring of gaxx IMMUNE LOL) for arrows of biting LOLOL saving throws LOLOL lvl 40 ones to ahah mr also lol and physical resitances lol 50% from yer base dmg MORON! |
a lvl 40 mage has quite a few lvl 9 spells, meaning TIME STOPS! also, there is no save vs some spells, and i think that horrid wilting is 1d8 per level, and IF you get a saving throw its half that, but thats still half of 40d8. considering it was during a time stop and there can be 2 or 3 of these on their way, yer screwed mate. also madmartigan, whats a half-roc?
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ehm martigan, on these boards, we DONT CALL PEOPLE MORONS! THATS CONSIDERED A FLAMER CUZ UR INSULTING SOMEONE!
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GEEZ...
Lissen, madjoker... The point is simple : ANY CHARACTER CLASS CAN BE MANUFACTURED INTO A GOD. A Level 40 mage is a GOD. A Level 40 fighter is a GOD. Hell, a level 40 gnome-jester would be a GOD. Nobody isn't saying that your 40th level MUNCHKIN player isn't god-like. He is. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AT LEVEL 40 ! At higher levels, NOTHING can touch a mage. TimeSTOP. (You can no longer move. can't attack. can't defend. just watch yerself get whittled down) Follow with AoE spells, like CLOUDKILL. Rinse & repeat. You would never move. And don't mention your saving throws. At Level 40, a mage spell CANNOT be stopped. The reason most of us laugh at this is how silly it sounds to run the same character through the game 3 times, and still act like it is a legit character. You'll take him through TOB, and then tell all the newer players how tough you are. Kinda like Michael Jordan playin against schoolkids, then bragging... Enjoy the game... ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif [This message has been edited by RudeDawg (edited 06-03-2001).] |
hey hey be nice!!! he insulted me first! Anyway I apologize for calling him a "moron" by the way those spells you where describing do have saves PLus cloak of mirroring rebound them! (even aoe) AND my Mr is 60% plsy magic dmg is reduced by 50% anyways from barbs resitance(natural) and spells like timestop have a very large casting time you think i am just standing around while you cast 4-5 lvl 9 spells at me? Even if you get them all off in the timestop wich you won't because it dosen't last that long! I won't be just standing there! I said this would be equal! Now tell me what you can do about beign hit by crom and flail of ages? one will give you massive dmg the other slow you down?
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sorry for beign mean earlier Rudedawg, Anyways all i am trying to point out is that a barb in rage mode with those resistances and those saves and that life and that dmg is basically immune and can take out any other lvl 40 character!(nearly) eheh
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now, now madmartigan http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/nono.gif in NO way did I insult you. NOWHERE on any of my posts... Now, to answer your question about the mage. SPELL CONTINGENCY: set with Absolute Immunity and Time Stop. Robe of Vecna lowers casting time to nothing, and AoE spells are NOT affected by Cloak of Mirrors. Cloudkill would whittle you down to nothing... This is why i never participate on these "what if" threads... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no.../ugone2far.gif SILLY... ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif |
ack, I am being dumb here! Sorry my original post got so warped! Then all these ppl tell me they can woop my Barb so i got a little defensive! (In my game he is the ultimate tank anyway, maybe he would'nt be in yours)
So to clear this up I am not trying to say mine is better then yours ect... On a side note we could always have a multiplayer RUMBLE eheh jokes guys! |
thats why there r stoneskins. at lvl 40, you have about 20 skins. you cant bust through those in 1 round. the mage runs back, casts lower resist and you lose 50% MR (10% +1%/lvl). mage continues to cast horrid wilting and meteor swarm (no save to MS). time comes back in, mage throws on some more skins, repeat. get the idea? mages may be cheap, but ur barb is kinda super-tanked up, and im betting that my WS can give him a run for his money! (for those of u who dont know, my WS upset alot of ppl at the old forum by having 25 in first 3 stats and stuff.) so technically, thats 2 unlegit (im not using cheated cuz neither is cheated, just overpowered) characters battering it out in a never-ending slugmatch.
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But RUDEDAWG WHAT IF......eheh just playing!
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This is the main reason the PnP rules never let you get past level 25...
NOTHING can touch you I got my Archer to level 23, and got BORED with the game... I'll never do that again... ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif |
I can't resit this! Stoneskin eheh but but flail of the ages will hack that downand slow you to ...........................
HEre tell ya what spellcasters have a CHANCE vrs this barb BUT melee classes no matter the level don't! OKAY GUYS? |
Now, let me tell you why I think the Barb is the most underrated fight in the game.
straight out of the gate, he's the toughest thing going.... you don't NEED to soup him up... He can be played as a MAD TANK... even at level 12 or 13, he's almost immune to everything... BUT, his skills and stuff won't grow too much at higher levels... ANY fighter class needs to beware mages at higher levels.... ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif |
wait, crom fayer is just +3 damage according to guide. meaning: absolute immunity keeps it off during timestop casting http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif but i think its about time to just let this drop off the first page...
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well in my game it gives +5 and hits monsters using that spell? it's +5 I am 100% sure
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This will explain why I feel so strongly about the subject...
http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/No...ML/002628.html The whole thread is great, but my posts are on page 2... ------------------ http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rudedawg.jpg http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/rd.gif |
Hey RudeDawg. I put a group of players thru a module in the Forgotten Realms setting (I forget the name but is was in the Bloodstone Pass) you have to be a minimum level of 23 (the module was for lvl 23 to 100). I had killed half of the party before they got to the portal to take them to the Abyss on go after Orrcus himself. It was a 4 module set. You start in the first module at level 1 and by the time you got to the 4 module you would be at least level 23
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