So many of you hate Nalia and to a lesser extent Aerie.
Just wait until Nailia gets some really cool special ability in TOB,
then you'll be sorry!

Thatll be the day lol. Well she IS annoying. I think thats onee of the undisputable facts about this game. But I bet the chick that did the voice is wway cute.... and much less annoying that her character.

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Who hates Aerie? Aerie is the most ultimatest NPC in the game!
Nalia is a b*tch, I hope she gets eaten by a demon in ToB, or even better, that Boo eats her eyes!

"Go for the eyes Boo RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR GGGGGGH!"

"Boo shall finish his eyeballs once and for all so that he does not rise again!"

I have nothing against any of them, yet I chose Aerie over Nalia because of the stats, and the fact that I did not want two thieves in my party.(Imoen's place was reserved).

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Stats? What are you talking about Larry? Aerie's STR and CON are shit compared to Nalia's, and INT is the same. Aerie has a better WIS, but who cares... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/confused.gif Which stats are you talking about???

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I like Nalia. She is far and away the most powerful mage in my party (don't give me a bunch of crap about Edwin either b/c he is evil and Minsc would chop him to bits if I put him in my party). She's also got a pretty good STR so she can carry a lot of stuff and is purely lethal with the Staff of the Magi and the Robe of Vecna (although that could be said of any mage with those items, I suppose). I don't listen too much to the random comments that come out of the NPC's mouths, so she doesn't get on my nerves as much as other people's.

Minsc gets on my nerves much more than any other NPC. I just don't find him amusing after about 5 minutes and it pisses me off that he's got that stupid rat taking up one of his quick slots!

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I agree with you! I like Nalia a lot. I don't care what others say, I think she kicks ass as a mage in my "good" party. Her and Aerie make a great team!

<font color="white">Since Aerie could use both Clerical and Mage spells, I wanted her in my party because that is what I needed. My decision was based on what I wanted to get out of the game, not what I thought you would want me to play. After reading the stat chart on the both of them, I made my choice that Aerie was the better NPC. </font color>

<font color="silver">Now, how can you argue with that http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/rand.gif For every reason you give me that Nalia is better, I can give you one for Aerie. </font color>

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Easy mate!http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif I'm not arguing with you. I'm just curious as to what stats other than WIS, Aerie has that is/are better than Nalia's. Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass which NPCs you choose to play. I played both Aerie and Nalia and like both of them.http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif Geez! Guess I'll just let this one drop...easy on the caffeine Larry. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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In fairness, how often do you see a duelled cleric/mage? She is a hell of a cleric as well, something people forget.

With Aeri and Edwin in you party and one thief you now have a vgood mage and an excellent one ( I know she can't reach the higher spells, but with potions she can get a multitude of impressive low level ones) as well as a cleric of some ability.

By having Aeri you now get room for an extra fighter/tank etc. Everyone talks up Jaheira as a utility fighter/cleric, but the same goes for Aerie as a utility mage/cleric. I would think bashers would fall in love with Aerie. I have her in my party and she does a hell of a lot of damage....

Alright....here we go again.......(wait....I am doing the same thing.... http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif )
Personally, I think most NPCs are useful, which is dependent base on your current party, playing preferences, and whether you know how to use him/her to take full advantage of their abilities. Since I like the use of magic, and recently reinstall the game without removing the exp cap, I think Nalia is a competent mage for a good aligned party.
Stats wise, for those of you who enjoy math.....Nalia has a total of 87, which is the same sum as Imoen but LESS than 2 other NPCs (Jaheria 88 and Keldorn 89). Now most of us will go, so what? What about the specific stats? Since Nalia is a thief/mage (yes I know she is a level 4 thief, we'll get to that), so naturally this makes DEX and INT most important, and she has DEX of 18 (highest a human can have under normal circumstances, also mean low AC for a mage to begin with) and INT of 17, since she is a dualed class, therefore there should be more emphasis on the INT and INT of 17 is NOT a low number. The only NPC that has higher INT is Edwin (surprise, surprise), and Imoen has the same INT. What about the other mages in the game you ask? Well, Aerie has INT of 16 and so does Jan, but since we are talking about the exp cap still in place (if there is no exp cap, the whole purpose of this analysis will be defeated, since ANY character can become godhood levels), these multi-class mage will ONLY advance to level 13 mage. Does it make a difference between a level 17 and a level 13 mage you ask? Why yes there is a big difference considering the fact that the multi-class mage also have a slightly lower INT. But what about INT enhancing items? Items are out of the question in here since like tanks (which like any NPCs, where applicable, can become a tank when you equip them with the "right" equipment), the same goes for a powerful mages. On a side note, Nalia does have STR of 14....which is considerably higher than a normal mage, meaning she can carry more as a pack rat before you get your hands on the lovely bag of holdings. The only stat that I would say Nalia is low in is the WIS, but who cares, she is a mage not a cleric, WIS is out of the question. Another side note regarding DEX, when compare with all other mages (single, dual, multi class)Imoen and Nalia has the highest DEX (at 18) of all of them, Edwin (10), Jan (17), Aerie (17).
In terms of mage magic, Nalia is probably one of the best NPC available for a good aligned party. With the exp cap still in place only Edwin, Imoen and Nalia can reach the highest mage level. And as a thief/mage, she can use a short bow, with is highly valuable as support for your tanks. Being dualed class, she can also level up faster than multi class characters.
In terms of thief, she is pathetic overall, but keep in mind she is dualed at level 4, meaning 5000 exp points have gone into thief level. This is hardly significant (nor a waste) consider the fact that she can advance to the highest level of mage, you might as well consider her as a full time mage with innate ability to detect/disarm trap (which she is quite competent with, unless you run around with her like a psycho in the middle of a dungeon).
Other contribution she makes is the easy exp from her keep, and if you are a fighter the stronghold is something interesting to have. I know you don't need her, but it helps to have someone who can use a bow/spell together.
One major problem I've found with Nalia (and the reason why so many have discounted her) is the annoyance dialogues she has, yup, that's true.... But if you can take Aerie's whining and Jaheria's nagging, I don't see any problems why you cannot add to the surround sound effects. Overall on the party contribution (which is most important for me), Nalia is competent overall as a mage and a pathetic thief. If magic plays a big part of your game (and you are good aligned) than she is an asset, but if you are looking for a full time thief who can do not just detect traps, find someone else.

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I also blame it when I don't feel like writing essays in English lessons.

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I would have to agree with you. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif Toss in a PC that is a Mage or Sorcerer and these three (with two tanks to protect them) can inflict a massive amounts of damage. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

POWER TO THE NALIA FANS! I LOVE NALIA!!

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Huuraahhh finally some Nalia supporters!!! Go Nalia.
Only Imoen beats Nalia in Mage! Edwin doesn't count because he is evil!!!
I turned Aerie into a Bard! lol

I like Nalia too. She has good stats, dual-classed, and has that awesome Signet ring. It gives her +2AC, +2 saving throws, and 30-50% fire resist (i forget the exact amount).

Jan is the one that blows. He has pathetic HPs, is multi-classed, pitiful stats (9 strength! he can barely carry 10 potions and his own items!) The only good things about Jan are that he is a specialist mage (illusionist) and that his bruiser mates can be useful (although, he can't carry many of them).

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I think most the girls are pathetic

Mazzy-What goods a short bow when a fighter can have a long/composite bow
Aerie-Pitiful in combat
Nalia-What kind thief is this? Whiney, irritating, for the needy crap!

Jaheria aint bad when she gets those great elementals.

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compare nalia and edwin... plainly said.

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What the hell!??!


Get your head out of your ass man!

of course he sucks stat wise,but who cares? So we can deal with that,,,,just dont give him anything to hold http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif


He is funny as hell,great mage,great theif,funny as hell, intrestign quest,funny as hell,great mage,did i mention he is funny as hell?

I prefer Aerie to Nalia, she has a good range of spells, Imoen has all the thieving abilities i need, and since I gave Aerie one of the girdle's of frost giant strength (there are two in the game i believe..) she became pretty lethal with her quarterstaff. Afterall she was the one who finished off Kangaxx.

You are entitle to your opinion, but keep in mind different ppl have different preferences. Not everyone weights the "comic relieve" as first priority in their games. Some ppl prefer the actual physical contribution to a party while some prefer the mental. As for the great mage and interesting quest....well, you and I had that discussion already now, don't we? http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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You're supposed to play games to have fun, having fun is more important than winning.

How do you know that winning is not fun? For some ppl, winning is a way of fun, maybe it is not for you. Once again, this is a personal preference. For me, I look for practicalness an NPC has to offer my party (situation dependent, of course).

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Of course winning is fun, but having fun while playing is important too, otherwise you will only think it fun to play at one time during the game: When you win. With my party I had tons of fun, with Jan's funny stories, and Minsc's insane ramblings http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif, lol, that was SO funny, and of course also the occasional remark from Edwin that was as much funny to me as it was insulting to the rest of the party.

I agree about the fun part, the process of winning is suppose to be fun too, but my ultimate goal/satisfaction comes from beating down my opponent (e.g. for a racing game, getting 2nd is just a nicer way to say you are the first of the losers)....no spoils attached (at least that's for me). Because when I am standing, and he/she is not, who's to say. And trust me, I hate reloads. To be honest, after having Jan in my party for 3 full games (both good and evil), his NPC interaction is good and funny (esp with Keldorn, Minsc and Viconia), but they tend to get old after a while. Since most of my later games are devoted to experience different classes/kits of characters, finishing the game has become my primary priority (to beat down Jon) as many of the processes becomes been there, done that.
My whole point of this is not to discount ANY NPCs in the game, every (well, almost every) NPC is valuable in some point of the game, but some ppl simply saying one of them is useless without anything backing up or just repeating minor cons is the reason for me to be long-winded (which I don't think you are one of them Neb). The whole idea is that this is all dependent on the type of game you want to play (roleplay, powergaming ... etc). That's my 2 cents.

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Nalia..I can't even believe your suggesting... Shes useless, completley useless, her thieving skills are pathetic and her mage abilities are adequate, but why not just take Jan !

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Ok accord all your posts have been good points. I,alos,enjoy battle parts of the game,but thats what Misc and Keldorn and Korgan are for,not Jan, Nalia or Areie!

Thats why they mad him 9 str,hes not ment for fighting,hes ment for magic (hence the 17 int.) and thiefing (the 16 dex)

There has to be (if i may quote a passage from the Druids) 'Balance must be kept'. Even in partys.You need magic,healing,fighting and theifing,and it never hurt to have a gnome in the party http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

Like you said everyone has there oppinons, and every NPC has a use (with the excludng a NPC with the name starting with A,more speiclfy A,n).

Yes, I agree, Nalia, Aerie, and Jan are supporting characters for your tanks, they are the artilleries on the battle fields. For some reason, I tend to be magic and fighter intense..... *sign*
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AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

Stop it! Stop it, you guys!

I've just settled my party composition for the next few quests, and left Nalia at the basement of Jan's house. Now you've forced me to rethink my decision!!

Drop Nalia - she's annoying. But wait! she has 17 INT, second only to Edwin, and my party is good aligned. Get Jan, dump Yoshi, Jan is a better thief especially with his gear. But Jan can't be a pack rat - he has only 9 STR! But he can be a useful mage too, in addition to being a thief. But Yoshi can set those special snares. But I don't use snares much anyway! And I need to have a slot ready for all those other NPCs I've yet to meet! Keldorn - they say he's cool! And Valygar - they say he's cool! And Crend, and Haer'Dalis, and...

Oooohhhh... I think I'll go and lay down for a while. My head hurts.
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Other than her incessant whining Nalia is a good NPC to have. Shoots a good bow, good spells, and as someone once said (cant remember who to give credit to) she looks like Drew Barrymore on heroin. Cant beat that eh?

I think it is Memnoch!!
*runs and hides*

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separate topic, whats valgyar like?

I thing Nalia is good mage.
Sometime she has idle talk.

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He's OK, I like his sword but not enuff special abilities, I prefer the big paladin guy although his brand of righteousness can be even more irritating than Nalia. No I take that back Nalia is supremely annoying, always whinging about the poor. Hmmm maybe I wasnt cut out for this good party lark, are there any major downsides to playing an evil party?



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Downside to play evil? Why yes it seems the game reward less if you take the evil paths of certain quests, and there is the chance for your rep to drop (making ppl hate you and sell stuff to you at higher prices). But the satisfaction of doing evil and the hostile NPC dialogues makes up for it!! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...hterpurple.gif

As for Valygar, I think he is ok. The down side is that he is a stalker, meaning no heavy protective armor for him. Duel wield him with katanas to get the most out of him.

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Valy is great IMO

Has one of the funnyest diolaougs with Jan (just cant keep off of him can i?)

And he is quite good with his sword and the Celestial Fury. Had 3rd most kills in my party,Behind me,and i was behind minsc.