Drizzt or Elminster????
Which is more powerful in your eyes????
I am interested because i would rather a mage like Elminster but there is something about Drizzt that makes me prefer him.
Now for your answers
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This one's a no-brainer. Elminster, because he's at least 20th level in about 4 different classes, not to mention that he has more psionic ability than a mind flayer. Also he's a Chosen of Mystra. Last but not least, he's Ed Greenwood's alter ego, so of course he'd be godlike, and pull the best chicks in Faerun too (despite being 900 years old). http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Hmmmm well those are good points but i think drizzt is more powerull coz he is drow and has two scimitars. That blonde hair of his should scare old Elminster off.

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I have to agree with Memnoch on part of what he said.

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Elminster is so dang powerful cause hes like the flagship character of the forgotten realms and also cause ed greenwood would cry if his alter ego was killed. I would however root for drizzt to win if they ever got in a fight cause I like him more.

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I don't think anyone should be allowed to get as powerful as elminster except if ur a god. If too unbalanced. I mean if there is ever a crisis theres gonna be no challenge if elminster butts in. Hmmm i wonder if he'd like a haekashar stuck on him for a while too drain back his "immense power". For instance in the LotT, Gandalf was powerful but not so powerful that he was universally fear as the one mass weapon of destruction. AH THE BALANCE MUST BE RESTORED.

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Elminster for sure. the only guy i can think of that would beat him in a duel would be Gandolf. cuz Gandolf was an arc angel. i think Elminster was too.

Arc angel? Well if thats was a servant for the gods then thats what he is but really hes just a mage from veredanholm, the was the last to leave. But that doesn't make him as powerful as elminster. Otherwise he would have attacked the dark lord sauron himself.

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Problem is, a hakeashar wouldn't do anything to Elminster's psionics. He'd fry the hakeashar long before it got to him.


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Just what does Drizzt do when Elminster casts stone skin and time stop and other defensive spells.

Drizzt runs http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif Hes smart enough not to pick fights he cant win. He ran away from hephaestus. Or he could get his girl friend alustriel to help him out http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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I agree with Mnemoch on ALL his points about Elminster. He may as well have been "Ed Greenwod - God of everything" and have done with. Surprised he doesn't have 25th level monk abilities as well

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Yeah but if you got to design your own roleplaying game wouldn't you make yourself the super character of that world? It's not like Elminster swoops in and solves every single problem that happens. He'd rather see others help themselves, either that or is just too lazy. He'd probably get in trouble from the gods for messing around with the balance if he did too much. To answer the question, Elminster of course would win if it came down to it. Drizzt is simply very highly skilled, not mega powerful.

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Im sorry but whos Elminster?

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I used to. Lord Shield was based on me. I use him as bartender, but after the stage he lost the 'me' mentality

According to the BG1 manual, Elminster is the better.
He's a chaotic good human male wizard of the 29th level, while Drizzt is only a Chaotic good drow elf male ranger of level 16.
Now ask yourself who you'd rather have for a PC if you wanted to do some real damage: a lvl 16 ranger (mine's lvl 17, that would make me a little better than Drizzt) or a lvl 29 wizard with all the really neat spells?

Seems obvious enough to me...

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Ner Drizzt would win............

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Specialising in arcane magic surpassing any human.

I think that old El has the edge in this battle. Although I agree that there is a chance that Drizzt will beat him. Simply because Drows are born with an inner magical resistance that might bring him victory.

But the chances are that he'll be too tired to battle and will probably teleport 100000000 feet away using Dimension Door 3 or something. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rolleyes.gif

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If ANYONE! tried to beat up on elminsters ass, mystra and Azuth would intervene, thats 1 greater god and an intermediate power.
elminster could only move 840 yards with dimension door. I think hed use Teleport without error. and drizzt coudnt resist gods magic anyway and elminster could snuff it out. elminsters not even a belivable charecter anyway.
ALso Drows are innately a magical race and mystra has complete control of all of the weave so she could probably just wave a finger or flare a nostril and destroy drizzt. And drizzt wouldnt attack elminster anyway as they both share the same alignment, even though elminster dont follow it. I cant think of any mortal who could destroy elminster,not even larloch,hes just to powerful.


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Being same alignment beens b****r all if they actually disliked each other. Elminster can't even be killed unless his tower's destroyed and I don't think Drizzt has arrows of Tower-slaying

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Well o' course Elmister would win,,But I like Drizzt way better...

why?Cause Elmister is so...um...boring,abousoultley no thought went into him.

Ed Greenwood probley said "I think i will make a god today,hmm what class?Every class! Yes,ok now what shall he look like?Oh no one cares about that lets just make him the regular old mage with grey hair"

I mean come on...


Now onto a REAL Charecter,Raistlin,I know he is not in the topic,but thats a person thats intresting,just look at the two of them. Its self explainatory.

HMMM, on a not totally unrelated point, can I just outline a difficulty I see arising?

Baldur Gate 1: Levels 1-9ish

Baldur gate 2: Levels to 19ish

Baldurs gate 3: (since 'tis supposed to be a trilogy as such) where does the level stop? do you meet dragons now instead of Kobolds? I mean one irritant in Baldurs gate 2 is meeting previously nasty critters (when your level 4-5) are now so much smoke. It has been noted that Baldurs 2 is easier, how much easier will 3 be if you can import a godlike figure?

Finally where does that leave us for Baldurs 4? obviously it won't appear, or if so, will take us back as a start character.


Basically my point is, this game is the definitive of its genre, all others will never match this level of gameplay, immersion etc. Where does that leave us for the future? Just as quake 2 defined the genre of 3-d shoot 'em ups so too does Baldurs of roleplay. Can you name a RPG that even comes close to Baldur's? Does this mean, much as occurred with the 3-D shooters, we will now be exposed to a series of tatty copies that never reach the same level as that of Quake and Quake 2. What I mean is, have we done a fukyama on it, reached the ultimate point of development, and are we now on a slippy slope downward to a saturated market of inferior tat. I really am quite worried. I don't want to finish the game, becaue I feel I would be losing something important to do so.....

What do the rest of you think?

Well i dont know about BG 3 but TOB lets you get up to 40th level.And there will be Purple Dragons?? (Yes i am serious).

Ah, but that's the thing, you see. Gandalf - also known as Olorin, was of the same 'species' of demigod as Sauron and the Balrog, but in human form. The Wizards were sent to Middle-Earth to oppose Sauron, but they were forbidden to oppose him *directly* for two reasons. One, because Middle-Earth has to stand on its' own two feet sometime; and two, because that opened up the possibility of one of the Wizards becoming a new Dark Lord. Just look at Saruman, and what happened to him.
Gandalf might well prove Elminster's equal - who can challenge the power of the original Wizard? How can anything of Greenwood's possibly best Tolkien?

elmister i killed drizzt

who is mystra?

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You don't know who mystra is??????????????????????????????????????????????
She is the godess of magic!!!!
Not to mention her chosen the seven sisters are a bit of fine stuffhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Yeah. Some people confuse the names Mystra and Mystara. Mystra is (as mentioned) Goddess of Magic. Helm used to have a say in this too, but Lord Ao did the divorce settlement http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
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Mystara is the hollow planet setting for D&D. Different Gods and so forth. (mmm - civilisation on the outside, nice and bright on the inside)

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I really dont know who elminster is, if someone could just devote a tiny slither of there formidable BG knowledge to answering this I would be very grateful

Please, Mnemoch, no profanities here. I agree with you on the matter, but he's after facts
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Elminster is a powerful character. 25th level Fighter/Mage/Thief, 27(or 29th) level wizard, main character in books such as "Making of a Mage". Ed Greenwood created him. He cannot die unless his tower is destroyed. He is the chosen of Mystra (goddess of Magic) who gave him a CON of 25 (most of us just get underwear or something for our birthdays). He also has huge psionic range
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Part of the Forgotten Realsm licence is Greenwood's insistence that Elminster must NOT die. I'll leave you to make your own conclusions about this. He also herds goats for a hobby and smokes a pipe.

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Cooool! Does Elminster appear in BG2 or any of the D&D games??

He appears a few times in BG1. In BG2 he appears when you've resolved Harper issue. I personally don't like him too much (for similar reasons to Mnemoch). I preferred Khelben Blackstaff in the Eye of the Beholder games - more down-to-earth

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