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t1d 05-17-2001 06:09 PM

I can't beleave some people. You help them out with quests and with marital problems and listen to their self-righteous Bullsh$t and what do they do? I'll
tell ya they sink a +5 holy sword right up yer arse. Well upon exiting the Underdark I met up with a certain Drow ranger and friends. Not being one to pass up a challenge (biggest kid on block, meets other blocks big kid) I decided
to test my mettle against one of the best so my group which consisted of myself(paladin Drow) Keldorn,Valgyr,Viconia,Imoen,and Haer Daelis challenged the other
group all fought well except that dirty Fink Keldorn spouts some hypocritical Bullsh$t and switches sides and attacks me. Well it just goes to show you that in life it is always what have you done for me lately and true loyalty is often hard to comeby. IF anybody else knows of any Rat Fink Npc's please post always curious.



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Epona 05-17-2001 06:11 PM

Attacking Drizzt???
How could you?
You deserved everything you got, my friend! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif This is a role-playing game, not Quake - you don't have to kill everything in sight!!! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Accord 05-17-2001 06:13 PM

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The self righteous Keldorn is the only one that will switch sides.....while Jaheria will just leave and head back to town....the other NPCs are either happy for a challenge or question your judgement (although they will fight by your side anyways)....and Minsc will follow you no matter what.

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Wah 05-17-2001 06:14 PM

KILL THE DROW
KILL THE DROW!
KILL THE DROW

.............(this could take some time folkshttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif)

Ah, think of all the lovely treasures.

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white heron 05-17-2001 06:14 PM

Well he's a servant of Torm,and that means 'duty'. "For the good!" ,as he would say.

Wah 05-17-2001 06:14 PM

Oh yeah - ahem...........welcomehttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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caleb 05-17-2001 06:15 PM

So keldorn will kill viconia but not drizzt? I think he just crapped his pantaloons when he heard you say you were gonna fight drizzt and switched sides.

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t1d 05-17-2001 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by t1d:
I can't beleave some people. You help them out with quests and with marital problems and listen to their self-righteous Bullsh$t and what do they do? I'll
tell ya they sink a +5 holy sword right up yer arse. Well upon exiting the Underdark I met up with a certain Drow ranger and friends. Not being one to pass up a challenge (biggest kid on block, meets other blocks big kid) I decided
to test my mettle against one of the best so my group which consisted of myself(paladin Drow) Keldorn,Valgyr,Viconia,Imoen,and Haer Daelis challenged the other
group all fought well except that dirty Fink Keldorn spouts some hypocritical Bullsh$t and switches sides and attacks me. Well it just goes to show you that in life it is always what have you done for me lately and true loyalty is often hard to comeby. IF anybody else knows of any Rat Fink Npc's please post always curious.


caleb i beleave you hit the nail on the head with that astute anwser.

Fljotsdale 05-17-2001 06:27 PM

Er.. let us be reasonable here. Viconia is an EVIL aligned person. Drizzt is GOOd aligned. ANY Paladin worth his salt will destroy evil and defend good. So, naturally, if his team try to kill a good-aligned person, the Paladin will view that team as EVIL and will support the GOOD. Naturally. Nothing about it to get your knickers in a twist.http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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Lord Shield 05-17-2001 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fljotsdale:
Er.. let us be reasonable here. Viconia is an EVIL aligned person. Drizzt is GOOd aligned. ANY Paladin worth his salt will destroy evil and defend good. So, naturally, if his team try to kill a good-aligned person, the Paladin will view that team as EVIL and will support the GOOD. Naturally. Nothing about it to get your knickers in a twist.http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif


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Pah! Any Paladin worth his salt would not attack an evil-ALIGNED person until they had actually done an evil deed (or about to do one). If Viconia is in your party helping with good deeds, how can he justify killing her for having different beliefs?


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vesselle 05-17-2001 06:48 PM

pretty interesting, i think.
thru both games, i haven't met anyone who really distinguishes between good and bad drow. most just see them as walking loot and kos. hasn't that been drizzt's problem since leaving the underdark?
keldorn has gained a tad more respect in my eyes. i mean, when i found out about his personal life, i saw him as a pathetic figure. changing the world for the better, but destroying any semblance of familial respect and love.

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Fljotsdale 05-17-2001 09:01 PM

Lord Shield? That is a good point - but in BG1, Jaheira and Khalid will attack & kill Monteron and (I forget his name) his wizardly pal when they, too, have done no wrong. Just because they are evil-aligned. But there are usually warning signs before it happens, so you can ditch anyone liable to get killed if you want to.
When creating or adding to a team, it is a good idea NOT to have opposite-aligned team members! Or, if you want to keep your good members, not to commit evil actions, lol! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
Anyway, I LIKE Keldorn! And I always let him go home to his wife pretty early http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif

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Neb 05-17-2001 09:08 PM

Since we are talking about Keldorn I would like to notify you all of a bug with Keldorn and Anomen, if you have Keldorn and Anomen in your party, and Anomen dies in the Underdark, and you drag his corpse and his stuff all the way back to Athkatla, then rez him in a temple, he and Keldorn will leave the party and attack each other, then if you kill Anomen while they are fighting like I did, you can no longer have Keldorn in your party, you can get him to join but he leaves half a nano-second later.

caleb 05-17-2001 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fljotsdale:
Lord Shield? That is a good point - but in BG1, Jaheira and Khalid will attack & kill Monteron and (I forget his name) his wizardly pal when they, too, have done no wrong. Just because they are evil-aligned. But there are usually warning signs before it happens, so you can ditch anyone liable to get killed if you want to.
When creating or adding to a team, it is a good idea NOT to have opposite-aligned team members! Or, if you want to keep your good members, not to commit evil actions, lol! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif
Anyway, I LIKE Keldorn! And I always let him go home to his wife pretty early http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...les/tongue.gif


They attack for no reason cause they belong to that panzy ass group the harpers that think they can judge everyone. To top it off they are 2 on 1ing him those cowards.khalid, jaheira, and keldorn=dirty pantaloons.

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Bahamut 05-17-2001 11:54 PM

well, c'est la vie! hehe of course Drizzt has made a name for himself.. so does viconia. its no surprise if keldorn side with drizzt.. besides, how could you???

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Fljotsdale 05-18-2001 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by caleb:
They attack for no reason cause they belong to that panzy ass group the harpers that think they can judge everyone. To top it off they are 2 on 1ing him those cowards.khalid, jaheira, and keldorn=dirty pantaloons.


Well, Caleb, all I can say is that with your attitudes you should ALWAYS play EVIL, lol! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...hterpurple.gif And make sure you don't hire any GOOD pc's to your team! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif



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Earthdog 05-18-2001 07:26 AM

I could be mistaken here and feel free to correct me if Im wrong but I seem to remember from reading all those DM manuals years ago that lawful good and chaotic evil will ALWAYS clash. Its like Minsc has a racial enemy (cant remember what it is though) and other classes can have racial enemies which they get bonuses for attacking along with penalties by said enemies. But its really not a good idea to have both good and evil characters in your party because of basic personality conflicts and then theres the conflicts of interest.

As for what someone said about good attacking evil when the evil npc hadnt commited any evil acts is a mute point. Good will Always attack evil no matter where it lies and visa versa. Its called mutual hatred. the Age Old Battle. Natural Enemies.

I say let em rip eachotehrs throats out.

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Avatar 05-18-2001 07:44 AM

You the biggest kid on the block..hardly.
Have you been to the Twisted rune?
How could you take on eveery high level creature you see. Did you kill the silver dragon as well?!
Sign...
unless you are playing an evil party, otherwise why have Keldorn anyway.
Why don't you kill Ribald and Elminster while you are at it?
I wish Khalid wasn't dead? irrelevant.


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