ive heard of these books that increase your strength, intelligence etc.. by 1 for each book, but where are they found in Amn?

I dont know about in Amn but I found one in ToB that increased my Charisma... If that helpz u at all :(

ok cool, so they are only in ToB? heh

No They must be in SoA to but I aint eva found any...
btw, where u from in Austrlaia Choco??

Actually, there aren't any stat increasing tomes in SOA like there were in BG1. They weren't used again because the supposedly unbalanced the game.
You can however gain permanent stat enhancements at the end of SOA.
Don't know about TOB, though.

from Melbourne Glorfindel [img]smile.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Keylow:
Actually, there aren't any stat increasing tomes in SOA like there were in BG1. They weren't used again because the supposedly unbalanced the game.
You can however gain permanent stat enhancements at the end of SOA.
Don't know about TOB, though.<hr></blockquote>


They do unbalence the game- Do you remember a while back when some dude wanted his paladin evaluated and all the paladins stats were 25?

Now tell me that that doesnt unbalence the game?

IMHO, they will make the game unbalanced...

really choco??? wat part of Melbourne r u from...???

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...There's a machine and a deck of cards, both of which will have a variety of randomized good and negative effects. Among the good effects are permanant stat increases.

Those various tomes unbalance a game only when someone is creating/using them over and over and over and over and over and....

When used as they are found--a unique item having one use only--they do not unbalance a game. Remember, pupils, to learn the lesson of moderation.....

Yeah, having way to high stats does unbalance the game. I just read in a thread somewhere that according to 2e edition AD&D the average human should have 8's for his stats. Anything higher is a bonus.
Taking this into account, you can allready make godlike chars without tomes or other enhancements. Just by rolling you can get several 18's and a couple 15's to go with that. The highest I've ever rolled was a total of 95 points. Compare this to a PnP char and you are a god!
And if you then slap on some more stat increases during the game you become totally overpowered. Chars in AD&D just aren't meant to have such high stats, because life is supposed to be tough.

Btw, I do rememder that post with the all 25 char. I can't believe somebody actually plays a char like that... Or was he just joking? Oh well, to each his own.

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Btw, I do rememder that post with the all 25 char. I can't believe somebody actually plays a char like that... Or was he just joking? Oh well, to each his own.<hr></blockquote>


yeah, my bro plays like that. it was kinda like diablo. kill,hack,maim,slahs,burn,murder,destroy, heal , kill, maim, murder....

bit dulll if you ask me, bu he likes it.

there are no tomes available in BG2, although the item preogramming is all there so you could CLUAConsole youself one. all BG tomes are to be found way north of Nashkel, which is north of de'arnise a fair few miles.

Actually, 8 for stats would be a bit low, I believe, for average....something like, say, 10.5 is the average (with possibilities going 3-18). Still though, the point is taken.

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They do unbalence the game- Do you remember a while back when some dude wanted his paladin evaluated and all the paladins stats were 25?
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Now who let that munchkin out? :D

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Cheers for the ToB Spoiler. :(

Monash area, Ike, what area u in?

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Cheers for the ToB Spoiler. :( <hr></blockquote>

Sorry, mate! [img]graemlins/awcrap.gif[/img]

If you want to play with big stats, use Shadow Keeper to give yourself whatever suits you, but there are already plenty of stat raising items in the game. I mean besides the above mention stuff/spoilers there are.....

Girdle of Hill Giant Strength-- Str 19
Girdle of Stone Giant Strength-- Str 20
Girdle of Fire(Frost?) Giant Strength-- Str 22
Potions of all kinds for temporary stat increases
Ring of Human Influence-- Cha 18
Gauntlets of Dexterity-- Dex 18
Gauntlets of Ogre Power-- Str 18/00
Crom Faeyr-- Str 25
Harmonium Halberd-- Str +1, Int -1, Wis -1
and more that elude me for the moment.

I think there is enuff stat based opportunities already.

I cant help myself.... I have to add the Girdle of Frost Giant strenght- str 21 [img]smile.gif[/img] (also part of Crom Faeyer)