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Hi world
Last night i killed the shadow dragon of the ruined temple and so i said to myself : "yeahh, now lets go kick fridragg (the big red dragon )" Bad idea !! Anyone know how to prevent him to cast so much spell. I tried some attack spell but with his magic resistance, it's very hard. And more he can see my invisible paladin ( bad day for him.. . Even cloud kill doesn't work Well any suggestion for a strategy ? thanks for help Pi |
Hi Pi! Welcome to the Board!
Well there are a zillion ways to do it and everybody has their own opinions about it. It might be a good idea to use the search option of the forum and you will find a lot of useful information on killing Big Red. A summary: Relatively "easy" ways to do it: - use a thief (like Yoshimo) with sufficient points in 'set snares' to put as many traps around the dragon when he's still "blue". Rest and repeat the process until he's surrounded by traps. Now attack him with a ranged weapon so that he turns red and....watch the fireworks! - keep the rest of your party well back and send an improved invisible mage with a Wand of Cloudkill in. Cast a few cloudkills just at the edge of the 'fog of war' (the shady dark area where he can't see you) to soften him up a bit. If you repeat it enough times he'll die. If you really want it to be a proper fight, then these tactics will be handy: - make sure you summon LOTS of creatures; elementals, monsters, fiends whatever. They can serve as fodder for the Wing Buffet attacks. - make sure to have Jaheira or another druid memorise some Magic Resistance spells. You can cast those without Firkraag turing red and they will actually *lower* his magic resistance. The mage spell Lower resistance is good as well but it will turn him red. ------------------ Melusine, Archbabe of the OHF and the LH http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/memnoch/mel1.gif Your voice is ambrosia |
Just shove him with some Cloudkill about 3 times.. and then check before he heals himself all your fighters just hack and slash and your mage/mages cast magic missile.. =)
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is the spell Magic resistance lower the resistance without turning him red ??
hmmm i must try it |
Yeah,i think Melusine has the better idea-replace Firkraag's huge magic resistance with a lower value using a 'magic resistance' spell and then 'lower resistance'( 3 mages to cast lower resistance simultaniously is preferable).
'pierce magic' and 'breach' may be useful too. - and definitely go with the ;Trap/sleep/trap/sleep idea too. ------------------ "The temple is I and I am the temple". |
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Well , i tried to summoned some creature but Fridrak is a funny boy : he casted charm monster on it and after i must fight against one dragon and one fire elemental .... pffff hard work
I think that i need to prevent him for casting spell before going to fight with my paladin and his 90 % resist fire. i Want my pal to put his foot on the head of the dragon to make a beautiful screenshot |
the way i did it was to summon 4 fire elementals cast protect from evil 30 radius then get your tanks and the fire elementals to run up to him and start trying to hit him while they do that cast loads of spells on him
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you wan Firakaag's stats?
AC -12 Thac0 -20 number of attacks: 5 HP: (err... not sure, 200+) Magic resistence: 60% therefore, if you want to beat him with your fighter, at least have 0 thac0, thn you can have a chance to hit him. he has 60% magic resis, so you dont need three lower resistence on him. good luck |
Well this might comford you
I easely killed Shadowdragon and i though well let's kill big red the opposite happend 20 times in a row so i decited to go to the asylum first and when i came back i was able to cast abidalzims horrit wilthing I lowered his resistance casted about 4 abi dalzims horrit wilthings and a bunch of holy smithings and other spells And killed Firkraag Be patient and get stronger ------------------ http://content.communities.msn.co.uk...&ID_Message=66 The Legend Master Necromancer Prince Rikard T'Aranaxz of Natri'x Clanmaster and Mental Father of the OHF Ramanish of Neathan'Calith High Priest and son of the Eternal Phoenix Lord and General of the Army of the West AND!!! Laughing Hyena!!! |
I find 1 shot spells work best, I used polymorph other on Frikagg (watch out may take a few reloads http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif B4 doing asylum, and later on against Balor in Underdark, who I actually found hard, I used Desintegrate
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firkraag's stats:
base AC:11 crushing:0 piercing:0 slashing:0 missile :-2 resistances: fire:100 electricity:0 magic:65 magical fire:100 slashing:30 crushing:30 cold:0 acid:0 magic cold:0 piercing:30 missile:30 saving throws: death:3 wands:5 poly:4 Breath:4 spells:6 HP:184 str:25 dex:15 con:15 int:17 wis:3 cha:9 THACO:-5 No. of attacks:3 |
Welcome Pi!
If you don't want to set traps and use cloudkill, and want to do the "right thing" by fighting him, here's how I did it. Mages - Load up with spell trigger, and sequencer. Pick a surefire spell, like magic missiles or something. Druid/Cleric - Summon Elementals out of visual range of the dragon, less they be killed. Have a cleric or druid go up to him and cast the magic resistance on him. Through a glitch in the game the magic resistance spell doesen't add to the dragons resistance it replaces it with the lower value. Have archers back with +whatever arrows, out of range of the wing buffet, to keep constant pressure on. Send the Summoned creatures in to take the death spells, and do whatever damage they can, Let the mages unleash their fury, and with the clerics cast insect plague, and let the tanks wade in and do what they do best. Good Luck!! ------------------ Tremble and despair, for I am power! All here are now judged, and are found wanting. |
DRAGONS ARE EASY:
1:a)if the dragon is not pissed or does not initiate fight, cast magic resistance on it (it will lower its resistances) b):if he does initiate fight or is pissed with you, just use time stop scroll (this may have to wait till later in game) 2:back off so you just cant see him anymore then throw every magic spell you got at the bastard until he dies (the best spells to use are, cloud kill, death fog...use them all at the same time, it WILL work) 3:walk over to body and collect items....THEY ARE THAT EASY!!! ps-if he heals just revert to old before fight and do it again, he rarely heals in time anyways...have fun! ------------------ http://www.geocities.com/gun_blade25/2.gif |
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I myself just made sure to get Firkraag to turn his back on my party with a Wizard Eye, mayhap an elemental or two. Once his back is turned you don't have to worry about wing buffet or fire. Then just Lower Resistance, Magic Missile, hack /n slash away. Can make a tough fight an easy one! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif
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Hi Pi,
I know Firkraag can be pretty tough-it took me a few goes to get him down too. On the plus side, you dont have to get really fancy or be really powerful to kill him.My PC was level 9 when I took him down, though I have a sneaking suspicion that I was a bit lucky ? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif. A lot of what I may suggest has already been said, but I'd advise going with an offensive option.That is actually engaging him in combat-which I reckon makes more sense from a role playing point of view.Besides its more fun http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif.Though, it probably depends on your PC, mine is a fighter and I reckoned laying traps or casting cloudkill out of sight was a bit of a cop out for him besides also being implausible-after all wouldnt a dragon leave an area with a death fog??Or just allow a random stranger to walk around planting traps??? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/tongue.gif.Besides I dont think you get XP for using the trap option though I am not sure about it. Anyway besides casting magic resistance on Firkraag, as many have suggested, casting lower resistance right after(this will turn him red) and then greater malison is also a good way to go.After this I just attacked and took him down-I didnt even summon any animals. Two of my NPCs died in the battle and the rest were seriously injured but they won http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif!!Also I recommend buying a wand of frost as I reckon this item had a huge impact in the fight-doing good damage with minimal casting time, I used up all the charges in the battle.Having an archer firing arrows of piercing and arrows of frost may also help. Anyway good luck, its an awesome fight once you find out what works for you. |
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Mmm.... hmmmp... ??? You kill at dragon without sorrow.
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you gonna answer me or what?
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Nope
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Using wand of frost should do a lot of damage to him, since he is a fire-dragon. Haven't done it myself, but it makes sense.
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I don't see how you could even make it to Firkraag at level 9. As soon as you left Irenicus' dungeon you didn't do anything in Waukeen's Promanade, and went straight to Firkraags dungeon, and fought to get to Firkraag, I figure you would be at least level 11 or 12. To still be at level 9 you would have to avoid every fight you saw.
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no it does not wand of frost does 8d6 dmg, which the dragon would save against, he will only do aorund 12 dmg each round he had a lvl 9 party, his mage would certainly be lvl 9 or lower, that means he has only 2 (specialist mage) lower resistence, or 1 lower resis and 1 breach, or 2 breaches. since his fighters cannot/should not hit the dragon with a thac0 above 8 (lvl 9 fighter cannot have a better thac0 than 8, unless he cheated or load in items) so that means, he will not be relying on melee a lot. but he does have an archer, an archer can perfectly have a 1 thac0 at lvl 10. I suppose he had 1 breach and 1 lower resistence lvl 9 mage's lower resistence lasts 9 rounds, and a wand of frost does around 12 dmg each hit. also, if he has no front line, he cannot possibly move in his mage to use wand, because the dragon will dispel/wing/melee the mage. he will have mostly about 5 rounds to use wand. 5 times 12 = 60 dmg archer will do a lot dmg to the dragon, (1d6 +1d2) X 4 in 9 rounds 162 dmg (the luckest condition, average dmg) 162 + 60 = 212 dmg, it only BARELY beats Firakaag. but if you count in that Firakaag can FULLY heal himself, you come to conclusion that he is lying. so I want his detailed strategy, equipment, and characters |
about his archer, that is I SUPPOSED all his frost arrows hit. (which is definately impossible with -12AC of Firakaag)
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Maybe his main character was at level 9 (multiclassed fighter/mage or something).
250, about the frost wand, you are right, but from roleplaying aspect it would make sense. [This message has been edited by el_kalkylus (edited 03-20-2001).] |
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that makes things worse, because he will have only one lower resistence spell, and no breach or breach with no lower resistence and he will not have any archer (archer kit, unless he used a party of his own) also, that isnt really a lvl 9 party. after all, give me the detailed strategy, equipment, characters |
i dont care if he brags or boasts, but if he lies, I will catch him faster than he can say "oh shiiii..."
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Yeah, you are probably right. That lying bastard! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/disgust.gif
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you are right, wand of frost should do more dmg from RP aspect, but very very sadly...
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I think he ran away! I was just thinking about it, and with the spells available at level 9, it would just about be impossible. He would be lucky to even get a hit off on the dragon. If he is at level 9, that means he couldn't have done any other quests, which means he doesen't have barely any + anything weapons. Setting traps is the only way possible.
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tis true. Do I smell a deception?
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Boy you guys are really on this guy eh?
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The best spell to cast on him while he is still neutral is feeblemind. It may take a time or two to get it to work, but when it does he is literally a sitting duck. It will take you awhile to actually kill him, but he doesn't cast any spells or attack, and only has his natural magic resistance to defend himself.
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Maybe I'm a wimp or something, but I sort of used set traps about seven or eight times, (suddenly a dynamite laden cavern springs to mind!)(Jan Janson!) Raised a few monsters! (Couple of wyverns and Montain bears! And hit him with that ring of the ram, and horn of blasting!
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Hello 250,
QUOTE ORIGINALLY POSTED BY 250: you beat him at level 9? list detailed equipment, strategy, characters please. P.S. watch out that I catch liers faster than you can say "ohh shi...." [This message has been edited by 250 (edited 03-19-2001).] Sorry it took me so long to respond but I play BG2 on a mates computer and only come to this site every 2 to 3 days.I havent been hiding dude http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif. Anyway you asked for a detailed description, I'll base it on memory as I killed Firkraag about a month and a half ago.I hope it will suffice. My party was comprised of: 1.Me, I am playing Dwarven berseker. 2.Keldorn. 3.Minsc. 4.Jaheira. 5.Aerie. 6.Jan Jansen. I am not sure what the levels of the other characters were, but mine was level 9-and Windspear was the second place I went to after leaving Akhlatla(after completing The D'Arnise keep mission). Anyway as for armament I cant remember exactly what I had on.I do recall weilding the Dragon Shield and the Dragon Slayer sword and I gave the Dragon Helm to Jaheira.Minsc was weilding the Elven Court Bow(?)+3, anyway the one you get in Windspear after killing the Adamantite Golem.I think Keldorn had his own stuff(Firecam armour and the Sword his God gave him)-I cant recall what the others had, sorry. Right, the actual battle: I began with the standard stuff.Bless, Chant, Protection from Evil, Defensive Harmony, Haste etc.Importantly I gave my guys lots of fire protection-especially Khalad, Keldorn, and Jaheira.My plan was to have these guys up front in the battle, Khalad and Keldorn in close combat with Jaheira as a back up tank and close to hand with her healing spells-she would, ideally, break off combat to heal them and herself when necessary. Minsc would hang back and attack with bows and arrows, while the mages would do their mage thing. Jaheira began with magic resistance, which actually brings down Firkraags resistance as others have said.Then Jan and Imoen cast lower resistance and greater malison.The groundwork layed I attacked. My tanks immediately attacked while Aerie cast holy smite(?), and Jan began taking shots with the flasher launcher.Minsc opened up with arrows of piercing, and once he began I berserked him. ***On a side note, I did fight Firkraags stooge independently, sorry I didnt mention this earlier*** After Aerie let off Holy Smite, she yanked out her wand of frost and began blazing away.Jan fired off a while lot of magic missiles interspered with bolts from his flasher launcher.After Minsc had let off a few bolts of percing he switched to frost arrows. My tanks took a pounding (I was berserked) and were wing buffeted a couple of times, but they came right back in. 250, eventually I wore him down I think more than anything.As I said I ws a bit lucky, as I lost Keldorn and Jaheira in the battle and the rest of my guys were all seriously injured.I remember seeing Firkraag shaping for another fireball which would destroy my group, or at least my PC who was still up front hacking away...when with the last charge of her wand Aerie took him down. Well thats it dude, I hope it satisfied you but I'm not a "liar".Anyway I think I've read CloudBringer say she took him down at a low level as well so I'm not the only one.If you have a response aimed at me or any questions it'll be probably Friday before I can respond.Later. ------------------ Have you ever wondered, little bird, what it must be like to look at the world through the eyes of a God? |
first of all, you never fought Firakaag? you dont know that he cast stoneskin in the beginning?
second, every melee engage Firakaag begins with a dispel, so your chant, haste, and such will not work third, where did you get Lower Resistence? the only place sells it is Trademeet, and you obviously havent freed trademeet fourth, minsc got arrow of pirecing, where did he get that? didn't you say you used arrow of frost? fifth, everyone else at lvl 11 should have a thac0 around 8 (which is what a lvl 9 fighter with weapon supposed to have, they CAN NOT hit Firakaag with -12AC) you seemed to be ignoring this point sixth, EVEN IF you had lower resistence, it lasts for how long... 9 rounds? that is approximately 60 dmg done from Arie with frost wand(proven already) and Jan with magic missle: (1 + 1d4) X 5 X 5 = 87.5 therefore, a total of 147.5 dmg, that is FAR from killing Firakaag because he has spell Heal (fully cure) give us some more evident |
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