What do you guys think about a party with an eastern(asian) theme? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif I was thinking of 2 or 3 Monks, an Assassin(Ninja) and a Mage. My first thought was a party of 5 or 6 Monks and that would probably be pretty damn funny to see, but I think it would get a bit boring after a while. Maybe an all bard party..do songs stack? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

Just looking for some new stuff to do, been through the game 4 times already using different alignments and party combinations. The great thing about it is the game is STILL fun. Never in my life have I played a game with more replay value..and I thought BG1 had replay value http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif.

Falcar
"Drowning deep in my sea of loathing
Broken your servant I kneel
It seems what's left of my human side
Is slowly changing in me"

[This message has been edited by Falcar (edited 03-12-2001).]

Couldn't agree more about the replay value...3 monks? you have that many monk portraits? http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

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Heh, I was just thinking about the portraits. I think I'll start checking out the custom portrait sites http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif.

Speaking of portraits, Gamer Alliance and Lady Nightshade have some decent ones:

http://www.gamers-allegiance.com/

http://www.planetbaldursgate.com/nightshade/index2.html

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Lady Nightshade's ones are really cool. The actual portraits look a lot better than the thumbnails.

Ziroc's Ironworks portraits rock too.


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I appreciate the help with the portraits, but I'd really like for the discussion to stay on topic(which is well..odd party combinations http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif). So, anyone mind giving me their opinion on my party and my question about bard songs?

I don't think bard song from the same kit of bard is cumulative, although I could be wrong since I have VERY little exposure to bards.

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Well, it wouldn't be from the same kit, I'd have 2 or 3 Blades, a Skald and a Jester, maybe a regular Bard too? Don't know. I'd have to see how the songs stack..if they do at all.

Well, apparently songs don't stack. I just tried it out, if you start singing a song with one bard then start singing with another the first song is cancelled out.

Oh well, an all bard party would have been interesting, but it just isn't worth it without all the songs.

I think to many of one character class will make the game just that bit boring (becuase u cant experiment with different classes)

About Eastern themed parties, try adding a Kensai or two and dual classing them to mages if you're lacking in magic. Its a cool idea IMHO.
About bards, I personally have never used a bard except in BG1, but that doesnt count since I had no idea what the differences between the different classes were http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/tongue.gif

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Why?

bump

I definately agree with you. I have played this game 3+ 0.4 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 times myself. Definately replaying value. I am thinking of starting a new game myself, (read my own topic).

Another thing, please explain to me what is so good about the bard, because I think it is the worst possible class I have ever played (kits included). It is quite frustrating to have someone so useless in my party.

An all Eastern party
First off All make all the skins Yellow (like me)
and classes

Fighter/Assassin (Need Shadowkeeper to do it but that's a real Ninja)
Monk (eventhough i don't like them)
Kensai/Mage
Sorcerer (natural magic is very Chinese IMHO since i have it too)
Kensai (normall don't like fighter but ya gotta do something)
Bard


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The Legend Rikard T'Aranaxz

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Clanmaster and Mental Father of the OHF

Rikard, what you're referring to as "natural magic" is called Qi(or Ki, Chi depending on what language you're using), and everyone has it, but not many people actually use it or even believe they have it. It is life energy, it's used in many Martial Arts, some examples are Aikido, Taiji Quan(or Tai Chi) and Bagua. It can be used in any Martial Art though and almost all serious Martial Artists learn how to use it.

Anyway, thanks for your suggestions, I was thinking Fighter/Assassin is more of a Ninja too http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif. I think I'll go with 2 Monks, a Fighter/Assassin, Kensai/Mage and Sorceror. I would just leave the Kensai a regular Kensai, but you don't get enough utility and "just in case" spells with just the Sorc.

The question you have to ask yourself is, How flexible is your party? Do you think you can adapt to nearly any situation?

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Just in case spells??
Damn you need at least 3 mages in your party to have a fun party

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The Legend Rikard T'Aranaxz

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Verily I agree.

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You have a problem with your head Rikard. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/moon.gif

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kensai/mage is nonsense, pure powergaming, it doesnt make sense at all, ohh, genius, you are good at both martial art and magic art, whatever.

all asian party? cooooool! but Kara-tur is not famous for mages, residents there most rely on "ki" that is what monks use. they developed first non-magical way of levitation. heh, asia!

anyway, i would recomand, a monk, a thief, a nin-ja(assasin), a bounty hunter, and a kensai. no cleric, no mage, asia's tales dont includ them

Kara-Tur isn't Asia, and I've heard of Asian Wizards (Mages) in folklore casting fireballs. Song Jiang anyone?
A Cleric could be a similar to a Jesuit missionary to the region. (Like one from say Macau)

Though I prefer not to use dual classing to concentrate on the roleplaying aspect, I wouldn't go so far as to say that a Kensai/Mage was "nonsense". It makes more sense than a Fighter/Mage.

I'd go

Monk
Kensai
Assassin
Asian Wizard (Mage)
Jesuit Cleric
Bounty Hunter



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dude, you dont know shit. no flame. if Kara-tur is not asia, then what is it? what is Shao Lung? (china)? Kusazi (something like that) is japan, and there are countries imitate korean, and south asia island countries, if Kara-tur is not asia, then what is asia?

I love your language "dude". I meant, and I thought this obvious, that however Kara-Tur may be based on a few of the myriad cultures that exist in the manifold behemoth Asia is, it remains a fantasy realm. Indian mythology is Asian yet has no Ninja, Jordan has no Chi-filled Monk, Yakutsk has no Samuri. I HAVE heard of Chinese Wizards in the few myths I have read. I could be wrong, but I would heed the words of one learned in the ways of Asia, not the mythical Kara-Tur.

Next time you inform someone that they 'don't know shit' I suggest you make sure you don't end up eating it "250".



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heh, you pretty smart huh? still, i am not taking it back. you really should check out what you saying. there is NO aisan wizard, because i am from asia, and i know it. you think you know more asian tales and myths than I do ????!

Kozakura is dedicated to Japan, Shou Lung to China, Wa to indonisa or phylipine, Northern to Mongolian, Koryo to Korea... and such

the whole Kara-tur is a imitation of ancient Asia.

Maybe but I don't like monks because i like Magic
and monk don't have magic
Monk are Fighters


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The Legend Rikard T'Aranaxz

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I . . .I . . . (hangs head) agree with Rikard. (sniff). I am playing my third time through with: Minsc, Valgar, Jaheria, Jan, Aeria, and Me (Necromancer). I have three mages. There is nothing like throwing Entangle, two webs, and a stinking cloud. Then fire three fireballs in the mix, then mop up with your fighters . . . makes life easy. Only bad thing is when you run out of spells (oops).

BK

That's why it is good to have fighter/mages, when the rifle runs our of bullets, you still have the bayonet (CHARGE!!!!). http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/tongue.gif

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I too like spellcasters.
I like to play a bard and have Nalia *and* either Aerie or Jan. Plus Jaheira for her handy insect plague.

So I would not be in favour of having a party without mages.

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250: I have to agree with Yorick here. And you realy should not say "dude you don't no shit" it puts you in a very bad light indeed and I am amazed Yorick did not retaliate in a more forcefull maner, we don't like that kind of talk on this board.

P.S I am not! haveing a go at you, just offering some friendly advice http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

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Exactly "dude" an imitation is not the real McCoy.
I don't care where you're from. Not all Australians know about Australia. All I need is to have seen one movie, read one book or heard one myth that you haven't for you to be wrong. Which is obviously the case. Remember that for a start, the Djinn is Asian and they practice magic, but this is beside the point. You are obviously intent on limiting Asia to the Chinese sphere of influence, yet even so, I HAVE HEARD OF CHINESE WIZARDS. Are you not reading this? Song Jiang was a wizard who cast fireballs. The cheesy fantasy show "Monkey" (made in Asia) had the hero practicing magic and fighting demons and wizards. To make such a statement of yours without quantification is a foolish thing indeed.

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Traditionally in Chinese Folklore (Im taking reference to Journey to the West, which is probably the source material for that "monkey" show you were talking about), there were spirits and entities capable of flight/levitation, shapeshifting, manipulation of the elements and other "magical" properties. In Chinese History, Scientists, Doctors and Alchemists (China was probably the most technologically advanced country in it's era before the Western countries began their own rapid modernisation) could also have been referred to as "mages" and "clerics" because of their almost legendary ability (to the common folk) to perform feats of healing and science, like the invention of primitive bombs/inciendiary devices for use on a battlefield. To a common soldier or a peasant, these could very well have been interpreted as fireballs. Chinese battles were often quite inventive and technology-dependant on the latest innovations from court scientists.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, It has been a while since I last read up Chinese History, No offence indended to anyone, no offence will be taken if anyone proves me wrong http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

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Why?

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Very good reply Lifetime. Well done. I take a bow.
We should meet up BTW. I'll be in Singapore for a few more weeks you know.

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How is your trip Yorick? I trust that you are enjoying journeys. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

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Thanks Accord, certainly am. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif Loving it. Enjoying my time here immensely

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Sorry Off Topic

I just need to catch Yorick.

Yorick RE LAXMAN (254 n.o what is going on?) http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...iles/smile.gif

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Dijing is not asian, they are from elemental plane. i dont know how you got the idea of an asian dijing into your head. they might be from kara-tur recently, but their homelands is elemental plane. a good example of current kingdom of sand Calisman (something like that). it was originally founded by genies from fire elemental.
the point is, they are from asia doesnt mean asia has mage.

and that cheesy show monkey thing got nothing to do with wizards, they are godlings, immortal and priests with great faith. they are not WIZARD. asians' tales involve no wizard

I shall not bother throwing pearls before swine number 250 so this shall be my last post to you.

The Djinn are Arabic are they not? The Arabian Nights? The Genie of the lamp? Arabic countries are in Asia I believe, and not in a fantasy elemental plane.

Did you read Lifetimes post or did you fill your eyes with dung?

Magic in mythology is used to describe feats beyond the understanding of mere men. Practitioners of such arcane crafts are labelled many things in different areas. Druids of Celtic Mythology, Fakhirs from India, Shamen and Witchdoctors from Africa, and now we have been illuminated by Lifetimes eloquent post on Chinese "Magicians".

Thus in Baldurs Gate 2 the closest one could get to a practitioner of such mysteries would fall under the character classes, Mage, Enchanter, Diviner, Transmuter, etc. to fit in with an 'Asian' theme, just as an Assassin could loosely be linked to a Ninja and a Cleric to a physician or even a Jesuit-like Missionary.

I enjoy discussions and differing opinions, but your refusal to debate factualy without appearing to read or respect anothers opinion bores me.

Adios number 250.

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