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when i finally got to jon..i didnt have problems at all...when he started casting spells. i just walked away, and after bout 30 secs cast a couple cloud kills, a couple death fogs, and a inceniary cloud from a scroll, and he dropped in 3 secs...the battle in hell was much harder.

Did anyone lse have this much ease with killing him?

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I had the exakt same experience...
Just walked away and with one char around the map and Jon started chase me..
After a "lap round the couse" my other chars stood waiting to smach his face.
The battle in Hell was harder but after drinking all my "Potions of invul" it was just as easy..
I had aboute 2 potions per person so with a -4 x 2 (or is it 5 each) att every savingthrow they managed to save almost all his Spells.
True Sight dispelled his invisibility and after a Warding Whip and a few Pierce Shield it was piece of cake http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

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Yes, it is far too easy. He was tougher in the elven forest by far.

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Im refereing to the elven forest. that battle in forest was much easier. than in hell


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If one tries to face him without having him chase you to waste his spells...
His is quiet tough in the forest I must say..
Took me som time to figure this out.
But by walking around he becomes almost defenseless

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When I played just one character, Jon was really easy in the forest. I just layed 4 traps and he died immediately.
In hell, i casted a simalcurum and two time stops scrolls, and he was dead shortly after. I would have to agree with you people that it was pretty easy. You should try it at insane difficulty if it was too easy.

Anyone heard of a Nishruu?

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A Nishruu is a summoned critter that drains magic when it hits. As for Irenicus, my Half-Orc Berserker (with Death Ward, Cloak of Mirrors and Shield vs. Charm/Hold/Domination) slapped his arse ON HIS OWN with the rest of the party standing back and watching. Jon mazed me a couple of times, but that just meant when I became un-mazed, some of his protection spells expire when you come back

The battle in Hell SHOULD be harder than in Suldanesselar, makes more sense chronologicaly.

As was said. Up the difficulty level, no problem there.

Jon was probably a bit of a letdown after all the hype.

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I'm in agreement with Stealthy - I found Jon much more difficult at the Tree of Life than in Hell.

On the question of the Nishruu - you have to be careful with them, as they can destroy magic items.

If they are set against you, they can destroy magic items on your characters (for example I lost a recently acquired Robe of Good Archmagi this way) or if you set one against an enemy it can destroy items you may want to pick up when they're dead.

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I thought he was tough at the tree and wussy easy in hell. I do agree that overall the end battle(s) were too easy though.

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yeah! jon should have home advantage over you! or no, both of you! and to think he was stronger before than now makes me sick... what if jon could cast spells while in slayer form... were all dead.

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He does. When my Berserker was tackling his Slayer form (on his own), he was casting his stupid little spells. I had Pro vs Petrification and Death Ward, so I didn't give a monkeys and hacked him to gobbets

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I also found the battle up in the tree of life harder than the one down in hell, but then again, for me, there were actually three battles: up in the tree (hard), against the fiends (very hard, but partly because of serious tactical errors on my part)- Jon just did not bother to participate and finally later against Jon all by himself - very easy and anticlimatic. But with Keldorn in your party mages are mostly at your mercy anyway. And even very hard is relative category here as I made it through all 3 parts without casualties and reloads.

So very and extremely hard should really be reserved for:


1) the beholder dungeon in the Underdark without cloak and shield of cheating (Oh my god - at some times I wanted to turn myself in to spellhold for an extended treatment).


2) The Sewer gang


3) the Beholder/Gauth part of the Unseeing Eye Quest


4) the Mindflayer dungeon in the Underdark


5)All of the three lesser liches (gate district, guardians of the Kaangax parts) in Athkatla without Keldorn: they had same magic protection on them which I was unable to identify and to disspel in many tries. Since I wanted not only to survive the battles, but to "figure" them out, I invested more energy in trying to top them with spells instead of just finding any way to kill them which resulted in many reloads and lots of frustration.


6) the Mindflayer dungeon in the sewers


7) The Underdark Balor


Surprisingly fast and easy were the Rune Gang battle, but I tackled them at relatively high level, had been warned, got lucky and helped a great deal by a bad scripting of the opponent's battle tactic, so that I could actually take them out almost one by one.


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R³ - Co-president(s) of the Club of Broken Hearts

[This message has been edited by Ramon de Ramon y Ramon (edited 03-08-2001).]

bump !

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I found them both fairly easy.
In the tree of life i was wearing the cloak of spell turnning and just stood there, he pretty much killed himself.
In hell my continces spells had him down to 'near death' before the battle had even started.
real anticlimax, hopeful they a tougher bad guy written in to the expation.

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On the tree One of the best abilities a thief can have is detect illusion when I fought Jon my second time Jan had something like 90 detect illusions so I saw through Jon's powers and a carefuly placed time stop unleaded a wave of fury on him. Then My fighters rushed in.

In Hell I make a trategic retreat and kill the demons then is a mad rush againts jon when I know his immunity againts Magic weapond is gone.