I'm soloing a bard now, so my spell-abilities are rather low,
needless to say thet do not weigh up to 6 or 7 cowles dimensioning in.

Now i kinda found the perfect way to kill them, but 'tis a bit too easy .... so i was just wondering wether you find my tactic too
cheesy.

My tactic is to use the 4th level spell Polymorph Self, then morph into a mustard jelly (not sure, but morph into the liquid-creature).
This li'll bastid has 100% Magic Resistance >:)
So all you have to do is let them unleash their worst at you, maybe fight of a goblin/shadow stalker and change back to yourself when they dont have any spells left.
(Staying a jelly isnt a good idea, because the high AC and low THAC0, versus some pretty high lvl mages, means you'll get whacked a lot by their staffs)

Anywayz, is it cheesy or just smart ??
I'm kinda stuck in between both of 'em :(

Very cheesy, but not exploitive. It's on the fine line between cheese and powergaming, along with setting traps where something will spawn.

Whatever you think works(and does)!
if the mages can't do anything about that, its their fault.
You might run into the ugly top mages later on after you beat up the low dudes/ettes.
I've never tried that, just spell battle with them all.

This tactic is not cheesy, simply an intelligent use of a spell. Any mage who cannot beat a mustard jelly should not be a Cowled Wizard. What if you were to use stoneskin on yourself first, then polymorph?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Azred:
This tactic is not cheesy, simply an intelligent use of a spell. Any mage who cannot beat a mustard jelly should not be a Cowled Wizard. What if you were to use stoneskin on yourself first, then polymorph?<hr></blockquote>

It's not an intelligent use of a spell since it is using the crappy game AI to gain an unfair advantage. Do you think an extremely intelligent mage wouldn't notice that he is doing no damage to an opponent, yet keep slinging spells anyway? Using this method is cheesy, but it's his game so he can play how he wants, but calling it a smart tactic just isn't right.

Argh, hars and striking words there Jonni ...
But quite true, an intelligent mage would know a mustard jelly doesnt take any damage from magic AND moves slowly, so he'd probably just outrun me until i had to change back :(

Ah well, i suppose its buffing up, skeleton warriors, run away screaming when all else fails-time again.
GRRRR, just wait 'till i get ToB, you wont beat my 40th lvl blade that easy

Though thx for the support Azred,

And it wont be cheesy any more, if you just use polymorph as a defensive spell.
Cast it at the beginning of a battle, and when you're other magic protections fail, or the cowl is taking his time, casting a potentially hurtfull spell (thinking ABi here), you could change into a jelly to take the hit and then return to normal form to keep casting.
This way its intelligent again, as long as you dont change back and forth all the time. Which would be a waist of valuable spellcast rounds anywayz [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thx for the feedback evryone [img]smile.gif[/img]

I wasn't meaning to be so harsh, just stating my opinion on whether or not it's cheesy. But hey, it IS your game, so playstyle is of course completely up to you.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>And it wont be cheesy any more, <hr></blockquote>

Dang. That's not cheesy. That's clever. That's what magic-users DO: use their spells in clever and unorthodox ways to keep their opponents off-balance.

I thoroughly approve...

cheezy smeezy!! look, the spell was put into the game FOR A REASON!! personally i think its cool that someone found a use for such a spell. good on you man. i say whatever works. hypethetically speaking, if i were a wizard, and six extremely high level wizards wanted to rumble, i would do whatever i needed to survive. if you want to talk about cheese, then lets talk about time-stop, or comet, or meteor shower, or abi-dalzims horrid wilting. those spells are EXTRMELY powerful, and effective most of the time. i mean, cheese is stopping time, and vaporizing people with desintegrates, and abi-dalzims. turning into a pathetic creature that has high magic resistance is sheer brilliance!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

oh yeah, if i were a "smart" mage and someone turned into a jelly to stop my magic from hurting him, i would just counter with magic. that is to say, protection from evil/gate time. or just summon ANYTHING to hit him, as long as it has a +1 or better weapon i believe. or how about just pulling out the trusted sling or staff and taking a whack at him myself? just because magic doesnt work, doesnt mean a wizard is useless. tensars transformation myself, and attack his ass. if a wizard were "smart" he would know how to counteract something like this. anyone who couldnt would not make it in an actual campain. i dont care how much intelligence a character has, if he has no common sense, he is a goner. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Russ:
Dang. That's not cheesy. That's clever. That's what magic-users DO: use their spells in clever and unorthodox ways to keep their opponents off-balance.

I thoroughly approve...<hr></blockquote>

"Cheese" is the term that mundane non-mages use when referring to the wonderful abilities that we mages possess. ;)

Haha,
You people remind we of why i like this forum so much [img]smile.gif[/img]

Glad to be of service daan. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I don't see it cheesy at all, just need to keep things in perspective. If you use the 9th level spell Shapechange to turn into an Iron Golem and smash them about, is that cheesy? No that is using a powerfull spell to defeat an opponets primary attack ability. No different then using several mantles and stone skins against opponets with magical swords. Some AI monsters do this to you, even combining magic resistance with weapon protections, while having normal weapon immunities to boot...now that is cheesy. I have seen enemy mages cast lower resistance on me when I have some MR to defeat that defense, if an opponet can't defeat a defense that the game gives you then that is their problem. After all if the Coward Wizards want to screw with a Bhaal child, that is their mistake to make. [img]smile.gif[/img]