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Anarion 01-08-2002 04:08 AM

No matter how many times i cast it it will get 1 (or if im lucky 2) skeletons! it does say in the spell description one skeleton for each level of experiance. also I only get skeletons :(

Dreamer128 01-08-2002 04:14 AM

When you reach LVL15, you'll be able to summon skeleton Wariors! Its one of my favorite spells!

Manwe 01-08-2002 05:14 AM

yepp, IMO it's good, Skeleton Warriors are quite powerful... and you can send 'em againt Illithids too, and they wont die! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Tim Tam 01-08-2002 05:39 AM

Try reading the spell description again. Every level of the caster increases the chance of getting a second skeleton by 5%, not the number of skeletons raised. When you hit level 15 you get a skeleton warrior, and 1 only.

Anarion 01-08-2002 06:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Tim Tam:
Try reading the spell description again. Every level of the caster increases the chance of getting a second skeleton by 5%, not the number of skeletons raised. When you hit level 15 you get a skeleton warrior, and 1 only.<hr></blockquote>

thats not the description in my bg1 or bg2 manual. in bg1 you got 1 skeleton for each level of experiance. thats good though because my spellcaster is well through lvl14 and near level 15 [img]smile.gif[/img]

LennonCook 01-08-2002 06:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr><font color="white">Originally Posted in the BG2: SOA Manual:</font>
Animate Dead (Necromancy)
Range: 10 Yards Saving Throw: None
Casting Time: 5 Area of Effect: Special

This spell causes the lowest of undead monsters, skeletons or zombies, usually created from the bones or bodies of dead humans, demi humans, or humanoids. The spell causes the remains ro become animated, and obey the simple verbal comands of the caster, regardless of how they comunicated in life. The skeletons or zombies can follow the caster, remain in an area and attack any creature (or just a specific type of creature) entering the place, etc. The undead remain animated until they are destroyed in combat or are turned; the magic cannot be dispelled. The caster can animate one skelton or one zombie for each level of experience he has attained.
<hr></blockquote>

<font color="gold"> So it appears that the manual hasa different description to what is used in the game. Odd. Then again, perfectly normal. </font>

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: SookmaCook ]</p>

Anarion 01-08-2002 10:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SookmaCook:


<font color="gold"> So it appears that the manual hasa different description to what is used in the game. Odd. Then again, perfectly normal. </font>

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: SookmaCook ]
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thats what i went by, and it is also the way the spell works in bg too....

Lord Ludtke 01-08-2002 10:30 AM

It is quite a powerful spell as the skelys are almost completely magic resistant. I have never been able to control more then 5 at one time, no matter what level I am at, but I recall seeing a screenshot where someone went into the Irenicus battle with 100 skel warriors.

Does anyone else remember seeing that and how was that done?

Anarion 01-08-2002 10:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lord Ludtke:
It is quite a powerful spell as the skelys are almost completely magic resistant. I have never been able to control more then 5 at one time, no matter what level I am at, but I recall seeing a screenshot where someone went into the Irenicus battle with 100 skel warriors.

Does anyone else remember seeing that and how was that done?
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is there something limiting you to 5 summoned creatures at any one time?

Nifft the Nimble 01-08-2002 12:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Radiant_Memphit:



is there something limiting you to 5 summoned creatures at any one time?
<hr></blockquote>

Yes, for game balance reasons.

There is also a way around this limit, but it could be considered a cheating spoiler.

-- Nifft

Morgeruat 01-08-2002 12:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lord Ludtke:
It is quite a powerful spell as the skelys are almost completely magic resistant. I have never been able to control more then 5 at one time, no matter what level I am at, but I recall seeing a screenshot where someone went into the Irenicus battle with 100 skel warriors.

Does anyone else remember seeing that and how was that done?
<hr></blockquote>

cast Project Image, it lets you cast your normal spells and the summon spells you use don't count against your (real character's) summon limit, so learn 5 animate dead's, and as many PI's as you can, cast PI, and then have the PI cast ani dead, cast PI again, and have that one cast animate dead, etc etc, and you can have some really nasty amounts

SixOfSpades 01-08-2002 01:19 PM

Hmmm....the Mage and Cleric versions of this spell might be different. I know in BG1, it could only be cast by Clerics, and they could indeed create 1 skeleton per caster level. I remember wandering around Baldur's Gate with 30 Skeletons because I'd Charmed an Evil Cleric (who happened to be Level 10) and used up her Animate Dead spells.

Memnoch 01-08-2002 06:28 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Nifft the Nimble:


Yes, for game balance reasons.

There is also a way around this limit, but it could be considered a cheating spoiler.

-- Nifft
<hr></blockquote>


"Cheezy" rather than "cheating" is probably a more apt description of the way you are talking about. ;)

Morgeruat 01-08-2002 06:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
Hmmm....the Mage and Cleric versions of this spell might be different. I know in BG1, it could only be cast by Clerics, and they could indeed create 1 skeleton per caster level. I remember wandering around Baldur's Gate with 30 Skeletons because I'd Charmed an Evil Cleric (who happened to be Level 10) and used up her Animate Dead spells.<hr></blockquote>

The main difference is that the priestly version of the spell is 3rd level, rather than 5th like the mage variation, in PnP it says for the priest version that it is identical to the mage version.

Has anyone experimented with the priest version to see if you can get skeleton warriors? If so you could get the same troops from a 3rd lvl spell rather than spending a 5th level spell for the same effect...

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]</p>

Dundee Slaytern 01-09-2002 01:20 AM

SoA Ending Spoiler
Without using Wish

Someone mentioned a 100 Skeleton Warriors? ;) I used the Project Image + Wish combo for it to be possible. Wish is a ToB spell( level 9 spell).

And yes, the clerical version will give you Skeleton Warriors as well, so long as your Cleric is level 15 and above.


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