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Zertyr 11-30-2000 04:54 AM

THE EVIL, THE GOOD and THE NEUTRAL...

What diffrences do you feel in playing the diffrent aligments??

What parties you feel are well balanced? Should they all be
almost the same ethos ang aligment? Or do you think as me, more
intresting when you have a party of many diffrent kinds of ethos
and aligment combos??

/Zertyr, The good and the evil paladin/fighter

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One thing crosses my mind when I read message boards.
THERE IS ALLWAYS SOME YANKEE KID COMPLAINING ON OTHER PPLS ENGLISH!

Its english this, its english that... god damn, most times the
person who complains on others only speak english. get a life!

cant we take this in swedish?

då skulle ni må jävla jenkare, men ni fattar ju ändå inget..

or maybe in finish?

mutta te olete niin satana tyhmät että ette edes ossa puhua enemin kun yksi keli.

no, lets take it in german.

Aber dann solltest sie nicht ferstehen.

SO GET THE ■■■■ OFF PPLs back with the complaining in english, try it yourself
when english is your 4th language..

BTW, US cant even ■■■■■■■ choose a president, so they should be made a state under
the European Union.

TLan 11-30-2000 07:58 AM

Well nothing here about the good or evil, but as for languages.. In a way I agree with you. It's rather silly when someone complains to me a la "u spelled this word incorrectly, u can't spaek english haha". Now, note the eloquent skill of that natively english-speaking person heh. English-speaking people who use letters a la 'u', 'r', 'ur' instead of the words should indeed simply shut up.

And as you noted, those individuals speak only one language, their native english and even that with errors, while I speak, write and understand (mostly anyway hehe) about 4-5 languages. So yes, I agree with you, though perhaps not in such.. emotional way hehe

drezden 11-30-2000 08:34 AM

I agree that Americans, as a whole, are too introspective (only focus on America, have no concept of other countries. Ditto, on not speaking any additional languages. However, let's understand something the European Union is impotent - just look at how the euro has fallen in value. In addition, compare the military strength of Europe to the United States. The United States is the world's only superpower by default: No one else (i.e. Europe or Japan) has demonstrated the capacity to lead. For as long as this is the case, Americans can continue to only speak English because everyone has to accomadate us (the only superpower). Just look at the % of total web pages that are English.

TLan 11-30-2000 08:48 AM

Heh that's BS. We are here speaking about posting on boards, and you bring up some political nuisance from the president campain speeches. The rest of, as you put it, "impotent" world has never done anything as stupid in their whole history as were the latest president elections in the US. That was pathetic. Still is.. The ideas you wrote are exactly what americans and ONLY americans think and feel. Rest assured, whole other words does not feel or even think that way. There's no excuse really for lazyness..

As saying goes - give the candy to the kid, so that it would finally stop screaming..

Zertyr 11-30-2000 08:49 AM

More countries than US speak English you know. I myself speak english
because I work on the islands, (Ireland right now), but I am from
Finland.

But you should rethink the thing about US superarmy power, EUs army,
if you take the countries, is greater than the US army, and has allready
started training allot of troops together. And that scares the US that
wants to put in "RULES" for how Europe is allowed to use their armed
forces.

But nobody tells US to control their army or country. US has the most
violence, and most of the rest of the shit in the world. Clean up your
own yard, then go out to clean the world.

But, still, Baldurs Gate is a great game, maybe becuase the guys BioWare
guys are from Canada?? *S*

TLan 11-30-2000 08:56 AM

Heh, exactly Zertyr. Could not have put it better myself - clean the crud from your own yard, before suggesting anything to others .

Now, let's get back to in-game themes and stop this political BS. Otherwise I am forced to dig out the URL's to Flash movies about the "Supreme US and US presidential elections", which, btw, are also made by americans, who are tired from this crud also.

ironfist 11-30-2000 09:10 AM

First of all I have to say this is getting quite political according to the topic,
but I think I have to say my opinions here.
Ok, USA is a superpower, so what, they just make troubles for another countries
which dont share a common politics. Just take a look at Golfwar and Jugoslavia.
I dont believe that USA will remain as a superpower about 100 years if they just
do as they wish. In history we find many countries with their glory periodes but
they always got weakier in time, Rome, England,France, China, Sovjet, maybe USA
is next. Economics in USA arent so good as it shows, if China and Russia make
an allianse against USA, superpower or not, it wont be easy for you americans.
And that rest of world can speak english is because english is a quite easy language
and the world NEED one language so we can communicate together, not because USA
is a superpower! BTW, english is from England, not USA. So make you own language
if you are so proud of it.

PS this message is only meant for those who share the same opinon as drezden.

Kaël 11-30-2000 11:44 AM

looking at the USA you can't help but notest how stupid some (a lot) of them are

-They wanna have Bush as president because Gore was to smart i mean how the hell is that to be justified

-The are always talking about that they are the biggest most powerfull democratie in the world but the US aren't a democratie at all
No matter what the people say the electoria votes can vote on whoever they want

-and worst of all -getting mad-
They dared Attack Yoegoslavia
What the hell -lets anger cool a bit- without Yoegoslavia we would all be Moslims by now (they were the ones who stoped the turks while they were invading europe)

ofcourse there are some normal americans like prime and larry
but still
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Well about your real question
I think the evil once are better because they have Viconia and Edwin you can use Jan
come to think about it
the good are better
1 i could recommand being a full class specialist mage and taking
2 Keldorn (paladin true sight can come in handy)
3 Valygar (or Minsc, Minsc is funny but i think valygar is better)
4 Jan (not so very good basic thief skills but his special items help very much and the strong the opponent the better his AC)
5 as a cleric i would say Anomen (aarg stop he can be good stop attacking me about it) but he isn't really populair on the board
6 and Aerie, Jaheira, hear dalis, or even minsc but i would recomment another spellcaster as character number 6

sorda say ofcourse being neutral allows all npc's but being neutral is weak

Jerome2k 11-30-2000 01:40 PM

I'M SCOTTISH, I CARE LITTLE FOR AMERICANS MYSELF BUT ONE MUST HAVE BOTH RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR EVERY PERSON REGARDLESS OR CREED, COLOUR OR ORIGIN, YOU ARE DOING NOTHING MORE THAN DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF A MINORITY OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE MET ON THE NET, THIS IS IN NO WAY TRULY REPRESENTITIVE OF AMERICA. YOU CAN TALK ANY LANGUAGE THAT YOU WISH TO, BUT ENGLISH IS SPOKEN IN A MAJORITY OF COUNTRIES SO IT SEEMS THE MOST INTELLIGENT THING TO USE TO COMMUNICATE, BUT NO-ONE SHOULD COMMENT ON ANYONE ELSE'S BAD GRAMMAR OR SPELLING, ESPECIALLY IF THE PERSON IN QUESTION IS MAKING AN EFFORT FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND BECAUSE IN THE END....WHO CARES?..........

sorry, just had to get that out of my system, i found that you could combine NPC's of any alingment in a party without trouble (as long as you kept your reputation neutral) but some of the characters (mazzy and Edwin for example) just dont like each other and will bicker.

Using a party of the same alingment is more "traditional" but can be slightly harder because all the good NPC's are evil!

Teeka 11-30-2000 02:10 PM

Now You have offend Americans. I normally don't pay attention to this BS but let me tell the little twits something. I am proud to be an AMERICAN. Yes my husband went to the Gulfwar. He even had to take a life, because they were firing real bullets at him and 5 other men. He wasn't there by choice. After the war he was ordered to bury their extra food they had, He threw it off his truck to the hungry people and told the army they buried it.There are bad in every country, not just the US.

I was happy to find out that we had such a wide span of countries and ages on this board.
But with all this BS.I am thinking about finding a board where the people are HUMAN.

Memnoch 11-30-2000 02:21 PM

Hey why doesn't everyone just relax, chill out and enjoy the interaction with everyone from different countries. Who cares about english, spelling, grammar, etc blablablablabla as long as you get your message across on the board. Not everyone has an authoritative command of the english language but everyone here has a voice and a message no matter how that is communicated! As long as we can understand you...

And Zertyr your last sentence invited all the flames so you only have yourself to blame

Hmm I notice that discussion made Jerome resort to CAPS again but its ok because what he is saying is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway the question was about alignments. Different combos are cool and make for very interesting dialogue. Just keep an eye on your rep and know what the max possible levels are to prevent evils/goods from leaving your group.

Jon Irenicus 11-30-2000 02:29 PM

Memmnoch it is a good thing you *intervined* because I am an American and I find all this Flaming of it very insulting. If it wasn't for you I would have writin a flaming message.

Teeka 11-30-2000 02:37 PM

I am upset by the fact that the remarks went beyond the spelling and grammer I am 100% behind the old saying live and let live. But there is alot of mud sligging here. As for the election I live in Florida and I think it is getting out of hand too. I have lived in Germany for 10 years in an American community so I do know what it is like to try to pick up a second Lan. So you who knows more than 1 had my respect until you kept running the mouths (or fingersin this case) Now I will say I AM SORRY FOR LOSING MY TEMPER.

Jerome2k 11-30-2000 02:42 PM

Vote: Americans are decent people every bit as good as everyone else so we should leave the topic alone and get on with discussing BG2!

All in favour say AYE, all against the motion say NAY

Kaël 11-30-2000 03:54 PM

ehm ■■■■ it
my opinion of america is not based on this forum at all

As about the disciminatin shit
I'm Chinese godammed we were made to be discimate
■■■■ Black and White
Yellow rulez the world
Sorry

didn't mean that but still

I grow up in a very intolerant nabourhood
Very rich people who think all coloured people are criminal and i get so pissed about that

Ya'll got me wrong i don't hate the people in america
i hate america as a goverment/country
alright
i have the right to do that
Be honest the american govermant hated the yoegoslav goverment aswell right
What i most hate is their anti communist attitute

omegadawn 11-30-2000 04:03 PM

We live on one f@#%&king planet, whatever language spoken or country of origin, doesn't change that. As for goverment, they are all screwwed!!!! ( except holland ie. legalized living!)


Play whatever alignment you wantt. It can change the game in big and subltle ways. Ive done all three (G,N,E) and had fun with all three!

Asphyxiate 11-30-2000 04:21 PM

This thread is Chaotic Stupid. Is there a way to bump it to the bottom of the message board?

Jerome2k 11-30-2000 04:24 PM

a voice of reason at last.... prehaps a inprisonment spell M'all? either way someone needs to end this...

Kragg Anvilstone 11-30-2000 07:59 PM

I would like to think of us as all humans, and earthlings. Maybe someday that will matter??!

Memnoch 12-01-2000 04:11 AM

Just let this thread FREEFALL, don't post anymore replies to it (after this one). Just for people's info the thread originally referred to re spelling was not even by an American!! So it's really a pointless argument, eh?

Zephyr's original question was about alignments which no-one really addressed unfortunately.

Zephyr, feel free to open up a new thread WITHOUT all the political stuff, there's a General Discussion board for those who want to debate politics etc.


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