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tom the strong wizzard 12-15-2001 01:04 PM

what is the best of the best caracter?

SixOfSpades 12-15-2001 01:20 PM

That's easy: The "best of the best" character is an Elven Fighter/Cleric/Mage/Thief with stats of 25/25/25/25/25/25 and 500 hitpoints.

If you're talking about realistic characters, on the other hand, there is no such thing.

Legolas 12-15-2001 07:05 PM

I would be tempted to say 'Archer', and the Kensai/Mage has long been a favourite of many players. But research has shown the human Berserker dualled to a Cleric is the most powerful, when you dual class at tenth level (If I recall correctly, that is [img]smile.gif[/img] )

Morgan_Corbesant 12-15-2001 07:35 PM

i would say a well rounded sorceror. they are just ungodly fun.

ecko 12-15-2001 07:53 PM

fighter/mage with staff of the magi and maybe cloak of non-detection

Magness 12-15-2001 11:08 PM

Gee, Morgan_Corbesant, I would have thought that a member of the Scout/Sniper Association would have a special place in his heart for the Archer, BG2's sniper. ;)


I think that the best answer is the best class is the one you enjoy playing the most. I always have a fondness for playing paladins.

Mages/Socerors just don't do it for me. I'll usually have 1 or 1.5 of them in my party, but mostly to support my tanks. But that's just my personal preference.

I played an archer once. They are seriously kick-ass characters. My biggest problem was that I tend to really get into the role and I like to really be the leader of the party and I found it hard to lead from the rear. I like my paladin to be leading the charge into battle, yelling for "FOR GOOD AND HONOR!!!" (or something like that.) Heck, I was the same way when I played a swashbuckler. My PC just couldn't hide behind the tanks.

Regardless, the answer is play what suits you best. If you like being sneaky, play a thief or maybe a Stalker. If kung-fu suits you, play a monk. I think you get the point. Furthermore, unless you're playing different classes just for the fun, you'll probably enjoy yourself more if you play a character that suits you. You'll be able to live and fight the way you want to, not simply what suits the character class.

Morgan_Corbesant 12-15-2001 11:35 PM

oh, believe me, i LOVE archers, but they arent the best class. [img]smile.gif[/img]

SixOfSpades 12-16-2001 02:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Legolas:
I would be tempted to say 'Archer', and the Kensai/Mage has long been a favourite of many players. But research has shown the human Berserker dualled to a Cleric is the most powerful, when you dual class at tenth level (If I recall correctly, that is [img]smile.gif[/img] )<hr></blockquote>

Huh--I myself am going to be using a Berserker->Cleric as my next Tank (with an Undead Hunter as backup Tank), but I'm not going to Dual him until a few levels into ToB, so I can get him Greater Whirlwind. Doesn't he still have room to reach his full Cleric capabilities?

About the Kensai->Mage: I tend to prefer Fighter->Mage myself, because I like bows so much. But I don't like the way you can Dual FROM a kit, but not TO a kit--it just doesn't make sense. That's like saying I can change careers; from a dentist to an auto mechanic, but I can't change from a dentist to a GERMAN auto mechanic.
I feel that you should be allowed to Dual to a kit IF you didn't pick a kit for your first class, so that, say, Fighter->Conjurer is a valid class. How do you folks feel--is it fair to Shadowkeeper in a 2nd class kit?

Illumina Drathiran'ar 05-29-2005 02:29 PM

Cernd is the best of the best character. Discussion over.


Six: Yes, I think it's fair to SK a second kit... If all you're doing is circumventing what seems to be a flaw in the game, why not?

Dace De'Briago 05-29-2005 04:45 PM

Hmm.

The 'best' at what? The most powerful characters are probably:

Kensai/Mage
Assassin/Fighter
Cleric/Mage
Sorcerer
Wizardslayer/Thief

Up to you to choose which one you want to play depending on your preferred style.

el_kalkylus 05-29-2005 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
I feel that you should be allowed to Dual to a kit IF you didn't pick a kit for your first class, so that, say, Fighter->Conjurer is a valid class. How do you folks feel--is it fair to Shadowkeeper in a 2nd class kit? [/QB]
Yeah I would allow it for myself. I don't know about the bonuses the conjurer gets though. I would not allow myself to dual into other classes like archer, assassin, kensai, stalker etc. Generally, I would pick the weak kits if I would do that.

Armen 05-29-2005 06:56 PM

on this 2nd class as a kit thing - i reckon that a ranger -> priest of helm would have resources to spare . . .

timothy trotter 05-29-2005 07:11 PM

its fair enough to change into a kit i think. i think it makes more sense to dual into a kit than into a normal class

Hivetyrant 05-29-2005 08:42 PM

Kobald/rat/chicken=unbeatable ;)
you get the "Yippieness" of the Kobald, the reproduction rate of the rat and the ermm..... featherness of the chicken......

lol, actually, I thought wild mages were pretty powerfull, especially if you are very lucky ;)

Kyrvias 05-29-2005 09:59 PM

the gibberling/kobold/Xvart is unstoppable! except when it faces the Kobold/rat/chicken... then it is beaten.


I personnaly like an elven assasin...

Gimli 05-30-2005 05:21 AM

I think not being allowed to dual into a kit helps preserve game balance, so I would not allow it - but I also wouldn't frown on anyone else doing it, don't think it's a huge deal. It's about the same as getting a custom kit from a mod really.

mad=dog 05-30-2005 07:46 AM

What about an otherwise valid selection blocked by the game such as Archer->Cleric I mentioned a few posts back. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, but it's not allowed. I think that this could be a strong combo. As slinger reasonably powerful in itself, but with the combined spells of clerics and druids. Not to mention the devastation of Energy Blades under Called Shot.

Illumina Drathiran'ar 05-30-2005 01:01 PM

But apparently it's not a valid selection... And I'm no expert, but I really do think this has something to do with it.

arch·er (ärchr)
n.
One that shoots with a bow and arrow

And Called Shot seems intended with... you know... a bow and arrow. Or even a sling. Not Energy Blades... It all seems awfully sketchy to me.

SixOfSpades 05-30-2005 01:36 PM

Illumina, I just know you've got some deep, meaningful reason for dredging up a topic from all the way back in 2001....

Q'alooaith 05-30-2005 02:18 PM

Maybe he's thought of an intelligent anwser and wanted everyone to see?

Illumina Drathiran'ar 05-30-2005 03:23 PM

..........

..?
I didn't do that. I only check the first page. Perhaps there was a post before mine that was deleted? Because why on earth would I dredge up a post from 2001? You know I know better than that.

Aragorn1 05-31-2005 08:01 AM

I thought i recognised this...
Just looked at the date :D

krunchyfrogg 05-31-2005 06:03 PM

Wow, don't you guys usually rip the bumper? ;)

Hivetyrant 05-31-2005 06:39 PM

Holy crap this thread really is old!! So how on earth did it come back?

Kyrvias 05-31-2005 06:43 PM

whoa! that is old! Return of 2001!!!

Sir Goulum 05-31-2005 09:09 PM

The hidden bumber... wasn't me anyways. If I did it, I wouldn't be sneaky enough to delete my post. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Best of Best? Cleric/Mage or Kensai/Mage.

el_kalkylus 05-31-2005 10:53 PM

cleric/mage isn't so good in SoA. Useful, but not extremely powerful IMHO.

Sir Goulum 05-31-2005 10:58 PM

With ToB installed though, you're basically a god. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Dundee Slaytern 06-03-2005 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
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I didn't do that. I only check the first page. Perhaps there was a post before mine that was deleted? Because why on earth would I dredge up a post from 2001? You know I know better than that.

Can you still remember who was the poster before you, or what was posted in his/her post? I have my suspicions, but I need to be sure first.

Q'alooaith 06-03-2005 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Goulum:
With ToB installed though, you're basically a god. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Isn't that true of all PC's in ToB though?

White Lancer 06-03-2005 07:45 AM

Certainly is, more so with any character that can cast spells though...

I'm not sure i agree that the archers should be able to dual class to a cleric... if you want a really good slinger cleric, dual from fighter. Sure, you wont get your called shots, but you can add those and any other bonuses you like with shadowkeeper.

@DundeeSlaytern: is this thread going to be locked, or shall we just continue discussing this? It may be from 2001, but it still a valid complaint/topic of discussion.

Dundee Slaytern 06-03-2005 08:17 AM

Cynically speaking, I find 'What is the best character' threads to be an exercise in futility, but yes, you may continue discussing in here.

This is not an endorsement for Thread Necromancy though. That is still very much a no-no.

Jerr Conner 06-03-2005 10:43 AM

Swashbuckler for me.

Aragorn1 06-03-2005 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
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I didn't do that. I only check the first page. Perhaps there was a post before mine that was deleted? Because why on earth would I dredge up a post from 2001? You know I know better than that.

Can you still remember who was the poster before you, or what was posted in his/her post? I have my suspicions, but I need to be sure first. </font>[/QUOTE]An IW mystery. We should film it a make it into a TV show :D

Illumina Drathiran'ar 06-03-2005 01:08 PM

I honestly have no idea, unfortunately. I'm kind of mad.

White Lancer 06-03-2005 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Cynically speaking, I find 'What is the best character' threads to be an exercise in futility, but yes, you may continue discussing in here.

This is not an endorsement for Thread Necromancy though. That is still very much a no-no.

I agree totally, i was refering more to the 'i cant dual my archer to a cleric!' part as being worth talking about.

As has been said on atleast 20 or so different threads, there is no best character.


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