What would have to be your worst party ever?!?!?!? How about the dumbest idea or move you have ever made in wiz8? Or even just something funny that has never happend before. I guess I just want to have a good laugh after having that miserable party of 4. Come on now; don't be shy...

[ 10-28-2003, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: allstargoaly ]

i thought i could reach this other ledge in the rapax rift by running trough the lava. i was even stupid enough to try it twice, in two places! D'OH!

the last time through, i forgot to grab marten's helm from the chest when i opened it. since i typically do that early, then go for the tomb last, i managed to spend the entire game without it, not realising until i'm at the tomb. duh. i figure i must have opened the chest, not seen anything i liked, and just left!

that's the curse of experience!

A party of four - ninja, fighter, rogue, mage. the catch? All Fairies! I guess i have little patience and couldn't handle all the reloads because of people dying. Gave it up and am now looking for a fun party to play.

hey KR, this is a bit off-topic, but a fun party is fighter, rogue, bard, bishop. easy to develop for a moderately experienced player, almost mindless to run. and they just stomp all over everything :D ~

another goof - was reloading nessie a dozen times trying to get the ring of regen (the first time it loaded it came with divinemail, too - sweet :D - but it took forever!), and ended up getting the whole party swallowed. that has to be the strangest way i've lost a party in this game!

we beat her about 9 out of 10 over dozens of reloads, but you've got to figure if you re-do it enough the random tables are eventually going to come out against you!

One of my continuing goofs is to forget to put on Magic Screen later (mid-game). Then magic casters show up where I don't expect them and all of a sudden my great party is insane or taking big elemental damage... I sometimes continue the battle anyway but it seems stupid.

None of the parties I have tried have been big losers, except for maybe the first one when I had a Ninja and Samurai and they kept dying on me, I forget the races.

My biggest mistake:

I once entered Lower Marten's Bluff from the Mine Tunnels. Found the Umpani device ( forgot its name ) you need to open some doors. I opened the door next to Z'Ant and thought that I could talk to him also from the other side of his window. VERY big fault. He and the T'rang turned hostile and because in this game I wanted to create an aliiance with both sides I had to start a new game.

Worst party :

Don't know. I don't create parties I don't like and I believe there is no "worst" party (with the exception that you really want to create one that must be bad )

oh, i dont know, loudhy. i've created parties i thought were just swell ideas, until i actually played them. memorable was the all dracon party with no pure spellcasters. the bard, sam, and valk did a fair bit of work, but the group used to get beat up by all the magic in the game.

surely you have some that didnt turn out quite as you planned...?

Heh. I started about a dozen games with randomly determined party makeup, using a seperate roll for: 2-6 for party size, 1-11 and 1-14 to determine race and class for each member.
Some i thought might work didn't, i don't remember the details, but i'm sure you can imagine...
Only one i thought would work and didn't was 3 Lords. Lack of both Alch and PP made them too poor to equip for the essential protections.

Of course I had bad parties Sultan, but that's not the way I define "worst" .
IMO a worst party is if I create a wrong race/profession combination ( and I know it ) or I use a race I don't like ( for me Hobbits ) or I create parties that I know will never reach Arnika because I don't like them.
Making mistakes at the beginnig of the game is normal but I think that has nothing to do with worst.
In my parties I need a good race/profession/picture/voice combination.In my current party I have I Fairie Rogue even I know know ( from your help ) that there are better logic choices. I never used a Samurai because I didn't find a
combination that fits my imagination of a Samurai . Crazy , isn't it :eek: ?
So with all my parties, even if they lost , I had fun [img]smile.gif[/img] and so for me there were no worst parties.
But maybe because English isn't my native language I misunderstand the meaning of "worst" in this topic :confused: .

Loudhy, (a bit off topic too) try Female Human Samuri (dark/black woman with braids) or Male Felpur Samuri (red hooded Felpur). Every party I have used has had a Samuri. My new Legoals is a Samuri. I like their lightining strike, INT, and speed. Plus there is "something" in the Monestary that only can be worn be a Samuri. Samuris, IMO, are my secret weapons.

My worst party was definetly the party of 4. I think my dumbest move(s) is my curiousity. I like to "see what will happen" if I do this or try to do that. Personally if I'm on something really high; I will save the game and then jump off. It sounds like I'm crazy but I want to see if my party will survive.
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Like the Elevator in the spaceport, the metal bridge in the Monestary, the hole in the room (with the rapax) located in the Upper Branches. I don't know why it seems fascinating, but I like to experiment (even though I know what the result is... DEATH!!!).

[ 10-29-2003, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: allstargoaly ]

scatter - i've tried the random party thing and been surprised at how it sparks new ideas. when it threw out a double rogue, monk, ninja party, that's what got me thinking about the 3-man stealth party i eventually ran. of course, i prefer to pick my own races! [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]

loudhy - i think you're interpreting the word "worst" literally, which is appropriate for you. the sentiment asg is after, i think, is those things that gave you difficulty, shocked, startled you. your faerie rogue is a great example.

furthermore, i wouldnt call those mistakes, per se, as that implies fault. they're learning experiences, and the sometimes humourous things that occur as we learn can be fun (and educational) for everyone! [img]graemlins/wink10.gif[/img]

asg - i'm with you. curiousity has led me to some of the silliest things i've done, both at party creation time and during play. of course, it's also uncovered some of those clever game features (eg how snakeskin boots work) and little surprises (eg the trang teleporter) that i might have otherwised missed.

regarding samurai's, i'm sure you're all familiar with my previous posts about how i've never developed a good one either. my feeling is that a human or dracon should work best, but i've yet to be satisfied - probably partly due to my playing style (which i need to adapt to get the most from a sam) and also partly due to party compositions (with the other classes i include, it's hard to find a role for the sam).

that's why the valk/sam/rogue party occurred to me. perhaps add a bard or fighter for survivability... hmmm... [img]graemlins/erm.gif[/img] ...that just might work... [img]graemlins/smoky6.gif[/img]

Allstargoaly :
I thought about it but that male hooded Felpurr is usually a Monk ( if I have one in my party ). Unfortunatly I read some books about the Ronin in old Japan and I never found informations about a female Samurai in history. As mentioned in my post I cannot play parties that do not fit my imaginations about the professions or races .I can try to ignore that but I know I terminate such a party sooner or later.
In Wizardry 7 I always have one in my party because that Felpurr with that japanese sun symbol was great for me.

Sultan :
You're right. Experience is the better word for the first wrong parties. I meant that too but I havn't found the right word in that moment.
Back to the topic : Because I have played also W6 and W7 several times I have something like a "usual party" . In W8 I added a Gadgeteer which replaces my rogue from W6 and W7 ( with lockpicking skill ) and I removed the Samurai and used a Lord ( dual weapons ). Those parties rarely have problems in the game . So I have problems to find out my worst party.
I think the party that fits that meaning the best was a start with Lord, Ninja, Gadgeteer, Bard, Priest and Bishop.
I created that party after I bought the game.In this time I left the monastary earlier than today ( IIRC Lev 8). I ran into a group of Highwaymen and Cultists (dangerous combination) . The Lord and Ninja din't hit the Highwaymen, the first silence spell didn't work. Those cultists summoned elementals and casted fireballs without end. I tried to ran away but I had only low HP so they manage to kill me. Since that time I always have a Dracon Fighter in my party ( this guy saved my life often before I change my style and stayed in the monastery longer.

one of the two samurais that i was okay with was a human female. she was wielding the sword of four winds, and that asphyxiate helped a lot. the unfortunate thing was, she was in a bad party :(

regarding cultists, they can be deadly early. my wife and both refuse to travel at all at night time. i had one party, only level 11 or so, entered the northern wilderness and got confronted by a dozen lvl 12 or so rogue types and 3 level 18 geomancers with 2 elementals already up. it was a three-man party, including a monk, an alchemist who i'd dualled over from mage (lvl 5, for the buffs and extra spell points) and the rogue-samurai dual i mentioned in another thread (it was his first level as a sam).

boy did we get our butts kicked. over and over and over. different tactics galore, a dozen reloads. finally a series of noxious fumes managed to KO most of the highwaymen, so i ran around the elementals, chopped up two geomancers, kept resurrecting people who got killed by the elementals, and then finally managed to reduce it to just one elemental and a half-dozen rogueboys. after that it was cake. [img]graemlins/cake.gif[/img]

My worst party would have to be as follows:

Dwarf Lord
Rawulf Valkyrie
Felpurr Rogue
Hobbit Monk
Faerie Ninja
Mook Ranger

Due to the entire party being hybrids they of course leveled slowly and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn standing an inch away from it! lol I worked on Strength and Dex for all of them to increase there chance to hit/penetrate and do as much damage as possible but they still couldn't hit anything. After about 10 reloads in the monastery I gave up on them and deleted the entire party. I have no clue why they all functioned so badly. I always thought Dex increased the chance to hit/penetrate but it sure didn't do these guys any good! lol