I have been getting a few Emails about a few people cussing excessively. This is NOT allowed.

Ironworks is visited by ALL ages, and this means the under 14 crowd as well.

I will give this one warning, and then just start blocking entire IP addresses of the offending parties.

The Mods and I have worked hard to keep Ironworks (And the Great Escape) Clean and friendly since we started the website in 1994 (Before AD banners!!) [img]smile.gif[/img] . So just be nice, use clean language and enjoy thy self! Ale for all! :D

PS: For those that are wondering about the rules here; At the top of every page is the 'Rules' Button. Click on it and (re)read it.

Thanks all!

Not to be rude.. but if I say.. "the rapax king completely ****** up my party" .. does that count as cussing? when using *s instead of letters? Or should I rephrase.. "the rapax king completely screwed up my party" ("screw" isn't cussing, is it?)

Or instead of using *'s as a weak attempt to cover up cussing, maybe try using a thesaurus and expanding your vocabulary. So instead of saying "The Rapax king ***** my party" You could try "The Rapax king devastated my group". Just a friendly suggestion [img]smile.gif[/img]

Good idea ... now if Ziroc would kindly point me to the "Thesaurus" button [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

:^) Here's one - both a dictionary and thesaurus:

Merriam-Webster

I think sometimes cussing is just the best way to explain a situation.
Cussing almost adds some extra emotion to your words.
I know i am one of the reasons this thread was put up.
and i understand.
I do believe that its more the vulgarity of the context in the cussing.
I enjoy the ironworks forums very much, prolly because this place does tend to cater to a much more mature audiance.
Oh and someone made a remark about a thesaurus,
People that use foul language here and there are not uneducated because they do so.
Many of us here are college educated proffesionals that enjoy these types of games.
We enjoy the bit of escapism that the games bring.
And to a certain extent this forum too.

I think that using the **** icons should be enough to keep everyone happy, dont most of you think?
That way those of use that want to get our point accross will.
And those of you that dont want to see such words wont.

So remember folks when you se **** just substitute it with a word from your thesaurus.

(My thesaurus is bigger than yours, cuz it has cuss words too) ;)

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bad Mr. Frosty:
I think sometimes cussing is just the best way to explain a situation. Cussing almost adds some extra emotion to your words.
<hr></blockquote>

The key word in your statement is 'sometimes'. The problem as I see it isn't so much cursing as it is casual cursing. Overuse of anything makes it less than effective on its audience.

I can recall many times when I have been quite irate about something someone wrote or something I had encountered and was able to express my emotions without resorting to foul language. By using restraint in my language I have found it then lends more weight to my words and my anger on the rare occasions when I've been so completely furious that I actually included a single curse word in a post.

Let me add that I have never been so frustrated by a game that I have cursed in a post. While I will admit to using more foul language in verbal discussions than in emails, I have always felt that less is more and try to express myself without resorting to crude language (at least, not in someone's hearing).

It is always possible to get a point or an emotion across without using foul language. And it is something we need to make an effort to do in a family-oriented forum such as this one. Based on the quality of the writing in the vast majority posts I have read here since I joined, that should prove to be no problem for us all.

[ 03-05-2002: Message edited by: Jem ]</p>

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Rokenn:
Or instead of using *'s as a weak attempt to cover up cussing, maybe try using a thesaurus and expanding your vocabulary. So instead of saying "The Rapax king ***** my party" You could try "The Rapax king devastated my group". Just a friendly suggestion [img]smile.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

[img]smile.gif[/img] Thank you for being so polite, diplomacy shines through your post.

Although I haven't been able to demonstrate it here (yet), I do have an extensive English vocabulary, at least for a Norwegian 19-year old. (then again, I'm studying English at university-level, so I'd be in trouble if I didn't have a wide vocabulary.

The reason I asked, was just to clarify. I don't enjoy cursing, either outloud (except when someone kills me in Counterstrike) or in writing, but I wanted to know. If cussing isn't "allowed" why isn't it bleeped out by the forum's code? Boards like www.metallica.com permits cussing, seeing as the board entertains Metallica and hard rock fans, which use some cussing when performing live, but I don't see why the code here wasn't generated so that curse-words would get 'bleeped' out.

It's a bit different here in the US forums than the Norwegian ones. I've thought about this for some time, I guess it's a cultural thing. I know Americans pride themselves on the right to free speech, but it's a paradox that here in Norway (where we do not pride ourselves on the right to free speech)we can say anything we like in our forums.

It's not solely cursing which is allowes, but any kind of vulgar, gratuitous, sexually explicit, violent words, phrases and explanations are not removed from the administrators. That kind of interests are just part of our everyday life, and talking about is a natural thing to do.

I won't bore you much more than I already have, but I'd just like to say that my initial question in my first post in this thread was hypothetical. I guess I'm obsessed with knowing my (and everyone else's) boundaries, even if I don't intend to cross them.

[ 03-05-2002: Message edited by: [wcip]Angel ]</p>

You know, over here in Britain we call it swearing, uttering obsenities, extracting the Michael, etc. A vocabulary is such a wonderful thing to have at ones disposal (even if tempted to shout "just forking die" at a group of monsters that have just wiped out a character and wasted all of you're ressurection powders to boot).

the diabloii.net boards automatically turn certain words into "[I want my mummy]" (how very English of them).

I think it's kinda funny though because the whole forum now knows what they were trying to say, and it's the community F-word :o)

The fun part is using the old David Letterman joke "phrases that sound dirty, but aren't"

How about, The death lord really polished my boots or something.

Really though, words are just that... words. They only have power because people single certain ones out. Yes, there are appropriate times for them, and I feel they should be used when it is appropriate. I mean, it's not like the Queen is reading them :)

I personally learned all of mine going to Hockey games... I'm sure all the European children expanded their vocabulary some while going to football games ;o)

I don't know about other non-Americans, but I picked up all those *fancy* words from American movies. (no pun intended)

Well, I simply go with the principle of common courtesy, like my mama taught me. [img]smile.gif[/img] And that means taking a little care not to offend other people. Whether or not I find cussing offensive is irrelevant, what matters is whether it offends someone who's liable to hear me, or read my posts. So I'm pleased to see that Ziroc and the mods are taking that kind of a stand on this issue.

[wcip]Angel, if you read the rules, you would KNOW the answer to the cussing issue. Below is the rule on cussing:

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Be Clean: Adhere to decency and refrain from abusive or hateful language, while cussing isn't censored, please don't direct the words towards someone in a hateful or demeaning way. Also, Cussing 'just to be cussing' will land you with an account suspension if it becomes too much. Also, don't put an expletive in the title of your post. It (and your account) will be deleted.

While in a debate, or have a difference of opinion, please do not take it as an attack. We will close accounts of people that attack others, be it in a subtitle way, or a deliberate loud way.
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It pretty much means "The casual cuss word is OK, but if nearly every single post you make has a cuss word in it, your account will be locked out, and IP banned.

Admin: Did you read my reply? If you did, then I can't see why you insist on "throwing the book at me", as I stated, it was merely a hypthetical question seeing as the rules don't mention asterix (btw, how do you conjugate the asterix into a plural? "asterix'"?

sorry if I spoke out of line.

The automatic substitution of words is a good feature, but can sometimes confuse otherwise understandable posts.

I was reading a forum on Hockey (Toronto Maple Leafs to be precise), and in the discussion someone mentioned the Dallas Stars coach who had just been fired: Ken Hitchcock

The forum profanity prevention code mangled his name into Ken Hitchcucumber [img]smile.gif[/img]

Viking

[wcip] Angel asked:
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>btw, how do you conjugate the asterix into a plural? "asterix'"? <hr></blockquote>
The English word is "asterisk". And the plural is "asterisks".

I personally have no objection to asterisks. I just find them, and profanity in general, totally boring, and would prefer reading a post by someone who can communicate without using language that may be offensive to some.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by PGC Viking:
The forum profanity prevention code mangled his name into Ken Hitchcucumber [img]smile.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

I read somewhere about a close captioning feature they were developing for television that would allow a parent to block any objectionable words even in the cc mode. They were encountering some problems, however. Seems that the classic 60's TV show "The Dick Van Dyke Show" kept being rendered as "The Jerk Van Gay Show". [img]smile.gif[/img]

I think what ziroc is means is that.
Yeah go ahead and cuss every once in a while if you really feel you need to, but be prepared to have all the folks who find it offensive to get on your "arse" for having such a "potty mouth".

Also if your vocab consists of using swear words exclusively, your "buttocks" will be banned.

So just dont cuss damnit!!!!!!!

Or i could be wrong.


(sanitized for your protection)

Look at this, I go away for a few days and the world turns to hell.

Ok my opinion on this subject (not that it really matters since I'm new and all) is this:

[img]graemlins/erm.gif[/img] cuss = ok ÷ time x use [img]graemlins/erm.gif[/img]

in other words only cuss when you really need to and don't make it in every post. Trust me I know every dirty, foul, vulgar, malediction, discourtious, vile, impure, obscene word or phrase out their (work in quto shop) and sometimes in life & in game you rattle most of them off. But as for me, by the time I log in and go to this forum the angst leaves me and I feel a little more calm and collected. I don't really take anyones side (with maybe the exception of the mods & webmaster since they have the holy power known as IPBan) and I can see both sides of the argument.

Now I have to ask myself did I really accomplish anything with this post? it just seems like I went off on a tangent. oh well, see ya in another thread.

whats a quto shop.

quto sounds like a dirty word by the way.