Major Spoiler Requested - please don't read further if you are doing the Umpani / T'Rang quests and don't want to know too much.
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I have heard that there is a way to play the double agent that will allow you to align the two sides. I have searched all over this forum and have been unable to find out how. If someone knows, please share!

try here, there's basic info here

and here, too!

just remember, that most of us are still feeling our way around this situation, too :D

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I think you just go to both leaders and join. But personnally, i go with the Umpani!

~~secretmaster~~

if only it were that easy. [img]smile.gif[/img] there's spies on both sides who are keeping track of you, along with a certain busy body in arnika.

discovering them and trying to figure out how to deal with them is the source of much speculation recently. LOL. i have just discovered both of them and am "dealing" with them now, but won't find out for a while still if i am discovered or not.

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Having finished the game and accomplishing the peace process, I can tell you that it well worth it. Not only do you get experience from both sides while completing their requests, but at the end of the game you get more experience points for getting the two sides to share. Plus you get to destroy the Dark Savant's ship. (I have wanted to do that since Wiz 7.) And to top it all off, Heli will even give you experience for getting the two factions to talk peace.


I never found any informant on the T'Rang side. I only found the one traitor and I took care of him before he could rat me out. No one, except Heli, had any clue that I was working for both governments. Well, Screg probably figured it out since I came to him as a representative of both parties, but since all communication was through me, he probably didn't want to say anything.

Good Luck!
Knarfling

I never found a spy on the T'rang side either, also got rid of the Umpani spy, but I've heard that it isn't really necessary as long as you pay the certain someone with a big mouth.

My question is this: I have completed both sides up to being given the "destroy X" quests. The Mook have gotten their letters, etc.

But as far as I can say, both sides are still unfriendly to each other. Is there a specific way to get them to be friendly to each other? I tried talking to Z'Ant about an alliance, but all he replies is something about the Mooks.

I've read hints here and there that you can get the two factions to actually work together, but so far they aren't doing it.

Hints or downright spoilers welcome.

judee

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im in a jam now.

i went to trang camp just now, to see what was gonna happen and as soon as i went up to zant trang, he denounced me and i was beset by everyone there.

i have NEVER wanted to kill anyone. genocide isn't my trip. in fact, that's one of the main things i despise about the DS. if he had his way, there would be NO races left in the universe. just him and his little god-head for all eternity.
::the blonde brigade croons together:: boooo-ring! :D

here's my dilemma, i could just reload at this point, go back to the umpani and do everything their way. whatever it is. and never ever go back to the trang empire base to see what's going on. pretending i didnt know that they knew...

but i know, and it feels like cheating to me.

all right, lets say i resolve my inner turmoil and go for the "pretend it never happened" scenario.

will i be able to bring the two together and create peace in the universe? im inclined to think its messed up, whether or not i stick my head in the sand and pretend other wise.

so, how far back will i have to go to straighten things out? what causes the cashier to denounce me?

this is the order i did things in:

1) found the trang and did their first mission.
2) went to the umpani, did their first few missions.
3) went back to trang, did their second mission.
4) went to arnika and approached the mook, for both of them at the same time.

(you guys will NEVER believe this, but while i visited the UME, i found a way to actually take the Chaos Molare!! its true! i can't believe it, either.)

5) went to talk to heli and she told me that she knew i was a double agent and told me the only thing that would stop her from turning me in was giving her money.
6) was very surprised and uneasy, so i popped back over to the umpani and did a bit of snooping, and was able to discover a secret area off the commisary, and decided to take my chances with that halfwit who runs the place. hoo boy! he was definitely a traitor, so it came to blows and he ended up a gooey stain on the floor.
7) i reported the incident to my superiors there, and was rewarded and urged to report to the general who was anxious to talk to me.
8) worried about the turn of events, i TP immediately to the trang and everyone was nice until i got to zant who yelled out "SPIES!! KILL THEM!!!" :( pooh!

so, at which point did i fail?

if anyone knows, please please tell me. i have zillions of saves, so going back and redoing anything is no problem.

thanks for everything!

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[ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: vesselle ]</p>

Go back to the point where you were on the Umpani base prior to getting marked for death by the T'Rang and kill the cashier before you leave.

That is what fixed that little problem for me.
I had payed off He'Li prior to going onto the base...don't know if that makes a difference.
I also started working for the Umpani first, but am unsure if that makes a major difference either.

Let us know if my suggestion works out for you! It seems that there are all sorts of variables regarding your situation from what I have read in posts at the RPGvault.
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Good Luck!

~~moni~~

thanks for the tips :D i will try them. course as slow as i am, it will take me awhile!

oh, wait a sec... i re-read your post and am confused about two things.

***how do i know at which point i get marked by the trang? first mission? second mission? third mission?
should i just do the trang CTF mission, make my first approach about work to the umpani, then go straight to heli?

***you said you paid off heli before you went to the umpani base?
if you weren't working for them yet, how could you be a double agent and how could she know?

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ps: its 435am and i prolly just misunderstood you! LOL. it wouldn't be the first time. :D

[ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: vesselle ]</p>

Vesselle,
when did you buy the Umpani flag for the T'rang mission? Before or after joining the Umpani?

I saw something somewhere about needing to buy the flag before you join the Umpani.

That's the only thing I can think of, I did the exact same order you did, except I think I killed the guy earlier, before I went back to T'rang after doing several Ump quests. Maybe that makes a difference too, dunno.

But I have heard (and would like some confirmation from anyone) that you don't have to kill him. As long as you buy the flag before joining. Actually, I'm sorry I did kill him if it wasn't necessary, because i got in a bind for supplies at one time and no one there to sell them!

judee

[img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img] hi judee!

i bought the flag before joining.

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veselle,
Just assume that Kunar turned you in before you made it back to Marten's Bluff from your last visit to the Umpani Base (since everything had been going well prior to that point).

I had started with the Umpani, finished maybe two of their quests and had visited Arnika after getting the first T'Rang quest but before actually doing it, which is how I had paid He'Li off.

I was able to return the flag and get the second quest from the T'Rang, but before I could get credit for it (or when I got credit for it and was expecting another quest) the T'Rang turned on me...I had not even left Marten's Bluff!
Having seen some posts here about Kunar's spy status, I just assumed that he had ratted me out and reloaded to the game I had saved at the point where I had just entered the Umpani Base, but had not bought the flag...killed Kunar and everything worked out OK (with the exception of having supplies handy on that side of the map lol).

End Game Spoiler (Big time)
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You don't have to finish the T'rang or the Umpani quests to win the game. I was up to the "destroy-the-tranporter" quest for the Umpani and the "find=the-Co-ord-for-Savant-ship" quest for T'rang. I Did not finish either quest. I went to Assension point with out either race backing me up and won the game.

Clearly the game was made with multiple endings. At my end game I was provided with 3 options to end the game. Great Great Game.

There is a way to ally the T'Rang and the Umpani.

It all centers on finding, and rescuing Drazic and Rodan, the two missing persons from either the T'Rang and Umpani (respectively).
You cannot do this until the Rapax Away Camp appears, and obviously, you can't have completed the last quest for either of the two races. You *can* play a double agent and do this - so long as you pay off He'li (I never even had to dispense with Kunar, I was hoping I wouldn't have to, he's my source of musket balls - lol [img]smile.gif[/img] ). If you want to know the exact steps - read on.

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-Complete the T'Rang Quests up to the final mission (find the Umpani operative, infiltrate and destroy the Umpani).

-Complete the Umpani Quests up to the point where you have to directly sabotage the T'Rang.

-Pay off He'li (I'm not sure exactly when you need to do this, just keep checking with her throughout the course of the quests) and take care of Kunar if necessary - I know that some people report problems with him, but I've never had one. I did accuse him of being a traitor once (after I pickpocketed the key to his back room and found the portal to Marten's Bluff) but all he said was "You wish you'd thought of it first". Maybe this was enough to keep him from ratting on me - I really don't know.

-Enter Rapax Rift

-In my game, I actually fought my way through the Rift and into the castle before visiting the Away Camp. I spoke with Ferro, and he urged me to join the Templar faction. I exited that dialogue, spoke with him again, and he informed me that the Rapax King wanted to see me at the Away Camp, apparently to interrogate two prisoners he'd captured. I became a Templar, then left for the Away Camp.

-Head to the Rapax Away Camp (otherwise known as Wilderness Clearing). I'm assuming that you can come here without being a Templar as well, and maybe without speaking to Ferro, but haven't actually tested this (I'm waiting for my next time around). I spoke to the King, he gave me a key to the stockade and asked me to interrogate the prisoners.

-Find Drazic and Rodan. Follow their instructions (it's pretty straightforward once you speak to them and recruit them). You can now return to the King and when he asks you if the prisoners know anything of his alliance with the Dark Savant. Note that recruiting Drazic or Rodan will destroy any faction that you had with the Rapax Templars, so make sure that you're done in Rapax Rift/Castle before you do this.

I'm not sure if there is a way to successfully rescue these two without angering the Rapax, or when exactly this part of the quest can be completed, I just know the first time I heard about either prisoner was from Ferro in the Rapax Castle. If anyone else has anything to add, go for it, these are just my findings. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Erydian ]

[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: Erydian ]</p>

Erydian,
Excellent post!
Thank you for the helpful info! This should help me to complete my new game without having to off Kunar!
Thank you very much!

You're welcome. Good luck with Kunar [img]smile.gif[/img]