Who here cheats and why? I feel bad if I cheat because I feel I dont deserve to win.


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Hi barb
If i cheat i also feel like i have done something wrong, strange isn't it, no-one will know!!!

Bah, It gets easier everytime you open up the cluaconsole [img]smile.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Aragorn1:
Hi barb
If i cheat i also feel like i have done something wrong, strange isn't it, no-one will know!!!<hr></blockquote>

LOL. [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img] What a strange fellow you are Aragorn1! Very strange Indeed

Copying from a previous post...

There is nothing wrong with 'cheating' a game-critical item like this. I keep saying this, but nobody seems to listen. What you consider cheating may be totally different from someone elses definition. The only rule is: play the game in the way YOU enjoy it, whether that involves cheating or not.
I'll tell you this: if I need stuff Identified and I haven't got enough lore for it, no way in hell am I going to pay 100 gp per Identify or wait until I get across a Scroll; I just cheat some Identify scrolls into my inventory. I'm not ashamed of it; it doesn't make me omnipotent in the game, it doesn't ruin the gaming experience, in fact, it increases my enjoyment of the game because it's so easy.


The important part here seems:

it doesn't matter how you play the game, as long as you enjoy it!! And since most people won't enjoy a hacked-up game where all characters wear Rings of Gaxx and have 25 in all stats anyway, you don't have to worry about it. Personally, I can get a hell of a lot more annoyed by a bunch of holier-than-thou cheat-police officers who walk about saying cheating is the devil, than by people who edit small things in their game to increase gaming pleasure.

Just my 2c anyway ;)

I draw a fine line between cheating to save time or to settle a bug, as compared to cheating in an item that is not allowed legitimately( like having Crom Faeyr in Chapter 1, rightttt...)

I mean hey! I use the Ctrl+8 function to hasten my Character Creation, but no way in Hell am I going to play with a character that has 18 in all stats, I lower them down to what I feel is okay.

I've never cheated. It's annoying because sometimes I really want to but can't bring myself to do it.

I cheated from time to time. But mostly whenever a bug hit. That Nishruu bug gave me no small order of headaches. Damn thing eating swords for crying out loud. Imho, it's allright to cheat if a bug hits you or if you somehow dropped an item in an area you can not go back to and you really need that item (like a key).
But, as stated before. You are the only one that can make that decision.

I almost never cheat, only in the most dreaden occasions. But I have always said: "If the game lets you do it, it's not cheating" ;)

As someone posted
We all have our own ideas of cheating
Using shadowkeeper and stuff is cheating to me and is lame.....
Using an easy method of killing something that is sorta exploitive canbe considered cheating
Im sure roleplayers will consider somethings a form of cheating that others will just consdider makign the game easier

Not wanting to pay 100 measly gold pieces and to rather cheat and force the game to give you stuff....well no comment


I never use cheats/hacks/passwords or anything like on any games Ive ever played that I can think of
So BG is no different and its not the hardest game in the world
Some people are just lazy and cheats [img]smile.gif[/img]

Some people think removing the xp cap is cheating, but if you are earning those xp legit, you deserve them. So I have done that and had to use CLUA a couple of times when the game blew up but nothing to advance my character...except once when I wanted to see how a 20th level monk fought, so I just set his xp and starting whupping ass. But then I quit the game, no save.

Well there are different types of cheating, and different reasons for cheating. I mean, souping up your character so they have 25 for all stats is one sort, not my cup of tea, but if you want to do that, fine. The only time that annoys me is if they then say, hey, such and such baddie was really easy, you must be hopeless if you can't beat him, and it turns out they have a ridiculously overpowered character with ridiculously overpowered equipment.

Then the sort like Mel described, where it's for convenience and improved enjoyment. There's certainly nothing wrong with cheating in a key piece of equipment you somehow misplaced, or a bag of holding for early on if you're soloing. It just makes the game more fun and not a hassle.

Then there's cheating for bugs, romances and such, nothing wrong with that obviously. For instance, I encountered a bug where an enemy in ToB I was fighting would get down to near death, but no matter how much damage I did she wouldn't die. This had been a very long battle to get to this point, and I felt that had the bug not happened, I would have killed her easily (I did at least 1000 damage to her on near death). So I reloaded and used ctrl+y - I felt that I'd already killed her and shouldn't have to do the entire battle again.

What does cntrl-y do? It sounds like some sort of instant death thing. Do you have to have debug mode on for it to work?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lord Ludtke:
What does cntrl-y do? It sounds like some sort of instant death thing. Do you have to have debug mode on for it to work?<hr></blockquote>

Yep, it is. I think it does about 1000 damage, so any enemy is instantly killed. Debug mode? Probably. My brother takes care of such things for me ;)

Cheating.. Well frankly who cares. You paid your hard earned cash for this, well at least the cash your parents earned and gave you to buy books'n'pencils, but you bought BG2. In any case, you bought the game, it's yours to mess around.

So if it makes you feel super happy to play with a char who has all stats at 25 and uses the killer sword what one "you know what" NPC has, fine, go ahead. I mean, whatever rocks your boat. Heck, use SK to clad yourself in drow +5 platemail and Rings of Gaxx and what not else, when yer already at it heh. I personally don't care.

Where it starts to matter, is when you start playing multiplayer game. With your close friends you can use such super char, but they may not like it. Or they wont care. However when you join up some game "out there", then it does matter and is not allowed. Worst case is, you get flagged "there" as a cheater and no one will play with you anymore.

Now the little "add-on's", like getting yourself few hundred Identify scrolls and so on. Well again, who cares? It's not like super unbalancing to the game and such. I personally don't mind the 100gp fee - BTW, it's not 100 everywhere, there are NPC's who do it for 75gp - at first, when I am short on cash, I either use the scrolls I find in the game, or don't ID at all. At later stages it doesn't really matter anymore, as I have more cash then I will possibly need anyway. So I pay to them their little fee, which is rare anyway because there's only a little handful of items what my party members cannot ID out of a blue, due to their good lore not being good enough. I remember only 1 case from short past when I used the ID scroll, because no party member could ID that +3 armor. And that was a first one over a long time.

Also, Bag of Holding - frankly, when you have played the game through few times and just want to solo, then go ahead and get it. Not like it unbalances the game or such, it's just a neat "addition" to already experienced player, who just wants to save the time and not deal with little problems, and wants to focus instead on the game. For the first time player, who is going through the game for the first time ever, play the game as it is, you will like it more. Later you can do whatever you want [img]smile.gif[/img]

And bugs or some unwated issues in-game, i.e. accidentally dropping a vital key in some area what you cannot visit anymore, then well, it depends. If they game wont move on without that piece, then I think all will create that item. If the game will move on, just you will miss something, then some "hardcore" people will move on. Most will probably create the item. If there's the bug, then sometimes it's needed to 'create' or 'fix' or 'go around' as well with the help of SK and/or CLUAConsole. Not very long time ago I personally used SK to fix the romance issue - I simply WANTED to 'do' this time the Jaheira romance, but I got to Harper Hold quest early this time and just as Jaheira was called away to hold, Aerie 'came down' on me hard and, well, being the benevolent person I am at times, I said to her few nice words and blam! Her romance was active and Jaheira's over. Duh! So I 'fixed' this :D

it is morally wrong to cheat. yep. if you cheat, the world you know would literally seize to exist. in a way, cheating had murdered more man than chemical weaponery experiements and nazi concentration camp. it is potentially damaging to your nerve system and kills your brain cells faster than cuba cigar.

it is wrong to cheat! do not never ever cheat! for God's sake, play like a man!

I need some help...

Ack... time for your medication again, my dear!
*gently takes 250 by the arm and leads him away*
[img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)

Cheating to get around a bug is one thing. Or because the interface made you drop an item you damn well know you'd never have dropped on your own.

But because you're too cheap to pay an identification fee, or because a bhaalspawn needs more help than the ridiculous number of ability score re-rolls the game already gives you... is a sign to me of a player sorely in need of a life. (Otoh, I think the ctrl-8 is a pretty neat feature, and am glad that NWN will use a point-assigning process, so that character stats can be more or less dictated within a range.)

So although 250 may have been a bit tongue in cheek, I'm inclined to agree with him. It's a roleplaying game, and supposed to be an immersive experience. Certain items are rare in the game because they're **supposed to be,** and that makes the game itself richer. Would my archer like to have an extra three quivers of arrows of biting? You bet. Will I be very happy when I find where some of the dang things are in the game, because they're so hard to come by in the early stages? You bet. Will I, roleplaying my character, save them for fights that count?

You bet. And that's what separates BG from Diablo.

hey if u think cheating makes u feel bad then don't use it. But don't feel bad if u are in need of identify scrolls or arrows or something useful. So don't feel bad if u cheat once in a while. while playing the game i seriously think about using cheats but i don't. It's harder without the cheats but it's ur choice.

I don't cheat much, but personally, I have to say that if you want to, then go right ahead. Generally, if I cheat it's to correct a bug (like my 2 Bags of Holding (this was in ToB, btw) disappearing for no reason whatsoever, and they had, if I remember correctly, a whole bunch of fancy itmes and stuff in them...), but at times I just give myself and item or something else because I'm very irritated at something, or for some other reason like that (such as if I forgot to pick something up and it turns out I need it about 50 hours later and I'd have to go back a whole lot of areas to get it or I can't get it at all, and it's some stupid minor thing). *shrug*

The only time i use shadowkeeper is if the game screws me out of all my items. Like sometimes when one of your character dies (especially in the crushing walls in the asylum) and you lose all their equipment because it all got deleted. Then i will use shadowkeeper to give my characters back their items.

how about cheating and maxing out the difficulty to insane(i think??) that will still be challenging

Guys, do you think the import and export is cheating? I've made a Human Lawful Good Paladin with 25 in all his stats by import and export him.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sir Byronas:
Guys, do you think the import and export is cheating? I've made a Human Lawful Good Paladin with 25 in all his stats by import and export him.<hr></blockquote>

Sheeeesh. Who cares if it "is cheating" or not. A clever talker could define ANYTHING as cheating.... saving a game is cheating by defnition if you are a strict AD&D player (you can't go back to a previous "save" in D&D, so why should you be able to do that in BG?)

That is not the point at all. The point is, if YOU enjoy playing a paladin with 25 in all stats, by all means, be my guest and play the game with him! Personally, I can't imagine anybody wanting a PC with 25 in all stats, where's the challenge in that? Also, one of the best parts of the game for me has always been when you get a chance to increase your statpoints (by wielding Crom Faeyr, donning a Strength Belt or in the finale of the game). You'd miss out on that too. But that doesn't mean you cannot use that Paladin! If that's what you enjoy doing, no one has a right to condemn it for being a cheat. Some people simply enjoy different aspects of the game...

cheating...
ugh...
I just hate the sound of it
Never even thought of trying to cheat in BG2 (not in other game either, only when i completed them maybe), it would waste everything.

Technically, any bending of the rules as stated in the game manual is cheating. Even creating your own spells or items, something I do quite often, is cheating. However, since this is a computer game and not a person with feelings that could be hurt the questions "Is this cheating?" and "Should you cheat?" become moot.

The essence of cheating, the immorality/lack of ethical behavior implied by that concept, lies in the act of trying to defraud another person. When you "bend" the rules of a computer game you are not, in any way, defrauding another person. The worst that happens when you cheat at a computer game is that you may rob yourself of some of the gaming experience--why strive to overcome adversity when you are given power or objects of power that make the striving pointless?

If your total gaming experience happiness means bending the rules, then bend away. For the others, stick to the manual. It is, after all, your game that you paid for; what you do with it is up to you.

I will cheat under three sets of circumstances:

1) If it's to satisfy my own nitpicky nature, and won't affect the game. For instance, in a recent game of BG1 I hacked in a stack of 25 Clairvoyance scrolls, so that I could clear out a map screen, and then if there was any part of that screen that was still "unexplored" (like the middle of the Friendly Arm map), I'd use a scroll and then be free to go somewhere else, without that nagging sensation that I hadn't cleared the whole map.

2) To fix a bug, obviously.

3) To make "justified" alterations. For instance, suppose I play a game of BG1 in which I don't dual-class Imoen, I just keep her a pure Thief. If I then take that same main character into BG2 and still want Imoen to be a pure Thief (or kit) instead of a Mage/Thief, I'll go ahead and hack that in. Kinda funny about sending a Thief to Spellhold, but hey, I'll deal with it.