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Dreamer128 06-02-2003 04:30 PM

*original movie spoilers*


I was just thinking about the original Matrix movie, and suddenly noticed what everybody else probably already knew. At some point, Cypher is having dinner with agent Smith, and in order to enter the Matrix you need someone to plug you in. So there must be another spy on Morpheus' ship. This may simply be an error from the makers, but I'm having a hard time believing that the creators of such a brilliant movie would make such a simple mistake. Now, since the machines were after Morpheus; he obviously isn't the mole. Neither are all the people Cypher killed(why kill your own henchmen?). Since he shot Tank too, he probably isn't it either. Neo is out of the question, so that leaves Trinity... perhaps her falling in love with Neo and helping to save Morpheus was just a way to infiltrate Zion' even more effectivly. In order to bring down the intire organisation all together. Now, I haven't seen the second movie yet, so don't spoil me with facts that weren't in the first; but what do you guys think about this theory?

Beaumanoir 06-02-2003 05:16 PM

I actually thought about this a while ago, but not in any depth. It just crossed my mind "how was cypher in the matrix then?" but it passed.

But you have a good point. I wonder...... hm...

AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe 06-02-2003 06:21 PM

You ever think he just set it on auto while they were sleeping? maybe its a little more dangerous or something so that is not standard procedure or something, but there definitely was not another mole on board, everyone else but neo morphy trinity and that other dude died. and everyone else he was planning on killing, and there wouldn't be any reason to kill your partner if you had one.
I think its safe to assume that while the rest of the crew was sleeping he was up on watch or something so he programmed the system to put him in and take him out of the matrix. maybe he programmed it so when he called a number on his cell phone a program made the phone he was standing near ring, so he could get out of the matrix.
It's definitely not the clearest part, but its safe to assume that there were no other moles, and that he was capable enough to complete the above actions. Even so it's a move you have to give it a little room, it is a nonfiction story. ;)

Bardan the Slayer 06-02-2003 07:05 PM

Cypher did indeed automate his entry into and exit from the matrix. I believe the W brothers commented on this once when asked. There is no other mole. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Timber Loftis 06-02-2003 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer:
Cypher did indeed automate his entry into and exit from the matrix. I believe the W brothers commented on this once when asked. There is no other mole. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Someone better alert Six of Spades. ;)

Azred 06-03-2003 12:44 AM

<font color = lightgreen>Or he could have written a program to simulate himself in the Matrix. This would mean he doesn't have to run the risk of plugging himself in and he can always cover his tracks later by erasing the program.</font>

Bardan the Slayer 06-03-2003 01:09 PM

What you have to remember is that later on in the film, when Neo and Trinity are preparing to rescue Morpheus, they both begin to program their own stations - this is a definite indicator that you can indeed put yourself into the matrix through automation of the insertion process.

Timber Loftis 06-03-2003 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Azred:
<font color = lightgreen>Or he could have written a program to simulate himself in the Matrix. This would mean he doesn't have to run the risk of plugging himself in and he can always cover his tracks later by erasing the program.</font>
Yeah, but that steak bit certainly meant he was IN.

Dreamer128 06-03-2003 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer:
What you have to remember is that later on in the film, when Neo and Trinity are preparing to rescue Morpheus, they both begin to program their own stations - this is a definite indicator that you can indeed put yourself into the matrix through automation of the insertion process.
Thats true. But if you can exit by yourself, why don't they try that when Cypher is killing off the intire crew?

Azred 06-03-2003 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Azred:
<font color = lightgreen>Or he could have written a program to simulate himself in the Matrix. This would mean he doesn't have to run the risk of plugging himself in and he can always cover his tracks later by erasing the program.</font>
Yeah, but that steak bit certainly meant he was IN.</font>[/QUOTE]<font color = lightgreen>Cypher's projection, a simulation, could have been eating a simulated steak. There is no steak.

I simply find it improbable that no one else on the entire ship would not notice him plugging into the Matrix, especially when someone has to locate an exit and telephone you in order to exit.</font>

Bardan the Slayer 06-07-2003 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Dreamer128:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer:
What you have to remember is that later on in the film, when Neo and Trinity are preparing to rescue Morpheus, they both begin to program their own stations - this is a definite indicator that you can indeed put yourself into the matrix through automation of the insertion process.

Thats true. But if you can exit by yourself, why don't they try that when Cypher is killing off the intire crew? </font>[/QUOTE]Because (I assume)you have to pre-program your station to bring you out automatically. You wouldn't go to these lengths normally, because that's the operator's job, and you don't assume he's gonna be fried by some little git with a stupid goatee ;)

andrewas 06-07-2003 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Azred:
I simply find it improbable that no one else on the entire ship would not notice him plugging into the Matrix, especially when someone has to locate an exit and telephone you in order to exit.</font>
Maybe he just said he was going into the construct for some practice. Leave a program in there doing combat training in case the Operator takes a look, and enter the matrix.

Bardan the Slayer 06-07-2003 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by andrewas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Azred:
I simply find it improbable that no one else on the entire ship would not notice him plugging into the Matrix, especially when someone has to locate an exit and telephone you in order to exit.</font>

Maybe he just said he was going into the construct for some practice. Leave a program in there doing combat training in case the Operator takes a look, and enter the matrix. </font>[/QUOTE]Nobody has to phone you - i would assume that could be easily donw automatically, if you set it up that way. After all, your PC can dial a telephone number, so why not their computers?

The only bit that gets me is the fact the ship would have to be raised to broadcast depth, and this is dangerous. Of course, Cypher had a deal with the Agents, so they may well have made a special "hands of the Neb" pronbouncement while he was in there.

And also, if i was Cypher I would do it all at night when the other were asleep. Should anyone ask, claim you were in there for a meeting with The Lady In Red that Mouse wrote [img]smile.gif[/img]


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