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<font color="white">Okay, I have a query, most of the supporting cast/cameo mututants featured in the movie have been identified (ie, "Kitty Pryde @ Sprite @ Shadowcat, Colossus, Siryn, Jubilee, Beast among others...

I'd like to know if the kid who sticks out his tongue in the movie( he gets refered to as "Artie" by Storm when she reprimands him for being rude )...just wondering, could he be "Artie Maddicks"? And can anyone identify the kid watching tv( he seemingly changes channels telekinetically)?

Any help would be much appreciated. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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While I cannot answer the above post, I would like to pose one of my own mutant identification questions:

I heard Mystique, as presented by the cartoon, was the mother of both Rogue and Nightcrawler. Anyone else ever heard this?

yeah, also Rogue in the comic, as I recall, started off as a 'bad' mutant.

Also I noticed that Colossus had a very American accent (he is supposed to be Russian) and in the credits his name is spelt Peter instead of Piotr.

[ 05-08-2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: Rokenn ]

<font color="#f683ad">In the comic version, Rogue was not mystiques actual daughter...and I never heard anything about Nightcrawler being related to her...they weren't even the same shade of blue in the comic.

Mystique raised Rogue who ran away from home...pretty much like in the movie actually....if my memory serves...After years of being an evil mutant, Rogue was tired of not being able to touch or love anyone and sought out Prof. X and asked for help. </font>

[ 05-08-2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

I thought Rogue turned good after killing one of the Marvels with her power.

I thought Rogue turned good after killing one of the Marvels with her power. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad">Well I didn't include the whole story arc in my post [img]smile.gif[/img] Im not as eloquent as Cerek ;) But yeah she absorbed Carol Danvers personality and powers, But she went to Prof. X. because she was scared of how out of control her power was and that she could not have any human contact...she was/is a complex character and not just one dimensional...so yeah there was a lot that went into her seekingout Prof. X. </font>

its well known in comic continuity. She's also the mother of Graydon Creed (villain in the comic and cartoon) after a tryst with Sabretooth (real name Victor Creed).

yeah, also Rogue in the comic, as I recall, started off as a 'bad' mutant.

Also I noticed that Colossus had a very American accent (he is supposed to be Russian) and in the credits his name is spelt Peter instead of Piotr. </font>[/QUOTE]He's referred to as Peter in the comic as well. Although his real name is Piotr.

Finn, to answer your question, yes it is Arthur Maddicks.

Back on the topic of cameos, in the scene where Mystique (disguised as Deathstrike) is searching the mutant database, there is a long list of character's names from the x-universe. I managed to pick out Moira MctTaggart (I know she's not a mutant but hey..). For those who are watching X2 a second time I urge you to pay attention during this scene. Btw, what happened to the supposed Gambit cameo that was supposed to be in the rumor mill?

[ 05-08-2003, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Rimjaw ]

<font color=deepskyblue>I believe it was in that same scene, <font color=orange>Rimjaw</font>. I am not good at grasping information at a glance, I have to look at something for a few seconds to "see" the pertinent information. Therefore, I missed the VAST majority of names that actually appeared on Strykers screen. The only name I DO remember seeing (because it stayed on the screen for about 1.5 seconds longer than the others) was Remy Lebeau. I suppose that is meant to serve as the "teaser" that he will appear in the next movie.</font>.

I saw Remy as well. Also on the second screen where she sees the Cerebro info I saw Omega Red [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 05-08-2003, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: Rokenn ]

Thanks for the heads up guys. So between the three of us we saw three names. Anybody else saw more?

Omega Red? Now that would be a great second-tier villain for any X-Movie.

You know the first thing we are all going to do once we get the DVD is to skip to that scene and freeze frame it [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font color=deepskyblue>Here is a good article I read a couple of days before X2 hit the theaters. In the right-hand column, there is a character-by-character run down of all the mutants that have cameos in the movie.

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<font color=deepskyblue>Yes, indeed, they did. Check out all these mutants "identified" by <font color=orange>Grojlach</font>

<font color=white>Awg, there were more names on that screen of characters who have yet to make an appearance, even though I highly doubt most of them actually ever will; Paige and Samuel Guthrie (Husk and Cannonball), Keniucho Harada (The Silver Samurai), Garrison Kane (Weapon X), Artie Meddicks, Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man), Xi'an Coy Mahn (Karma), Pietro and Wanda Maximoff (Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch), Kevin McTaggert (Orpheus), Danielle Moonstar (Mirage)... I wouldn't regard that as a spoiler for movies to come. But, since Gambit is one of the more popular X-characters, it's a relatively safe guess he'll make an appearance in the next movie either way.</font>

I didn't even see half of those names the first time through. (BTW, this is "quoted" from <font color=orange>Grojlach's</font> post in <font color=yellow>Yorick's</font> "Went to see the 12:01 show" thread).</font>

Anybody else suspect the girl Colussus grabbed was Ilyana?

Nightcrawler is really Mystique's son. We saw all that in the storyline when they talk about his past.

Mistique was living as a noble lady, and was maried to a eastern europe nobleman. They had a child, and he was blue, so she gave the child to a monk monastery and ran away. That's why he is so religious, he was raised by them in secret until the vilagers burned down the monastery to get to the "demon" that was in it, and he was forced to run away.

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Thanks Rimjaw [img]smile.gif[/img]

The thing that confused me was, I thought Artie was supposed to be mute and hence had to communicate telepathically, though if I'm not mistaken, the kid did speak in the movie. Plus, he didn't much look like the "Artie" in the comicbooks. Thanks for the confirmation.

This brings me to my second question, anybody knows who the "channel-changing, insomniac" kid is? [img]smile.gif[/img]

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[ 05-08-2003, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: Finn ]

The artie in this movie is completely different from his comic book counterpart in physical appearence and powers. As for the TV kid, I'm not sure who he is, I can't even put a finger on what his powers are. Does anybody know if Strykers son was actually in the comic?

<font color=deepskyblue>I'm pretty sure that was Syrin (the daughter of Banshee in the comics). She was the one with the sonic scream that was putting EVERYBODY in the house out of commission, until the soldier drugged her. He picks her up and turns for the door. We then see Colossus come walking into a room with two guards - one of whom is carrying one of the children.

The implication is that he comes walking in the same room..after all, Syrin made her distress well known. But the movie does cut back downstairs to Wolverine between Syrin being drugged and Colossus coming in...so it could have been a different room. If that's the case, I would say it's a safe bet that he was checking on Ilyana when he met the guards.

Guess we'll know when X3 comes out.</font>

Who's Ilyana? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 05-11-2003, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

See Cerek's post, quoting one of my earlier posts; it's actually Kevin McTaggert, her son. ;)
Someone on another board posted a screenshot of that screen once, from God knows where; that's how I managed to identify those mutants. [img]smile.gif[/img] Ororo Munroe (Storm) was on the list as well, btw.

Who's Ilyana? [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Piotr Rasputin's sister, the character MagiK based his Ironworks-username on. ;)

I don't think he was; can't recall him myself, either.

Who's Ilyana? [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Piotr Rasputin's sister, the character MagiK based his Ironworks-username on. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]What can she do? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Its a very long story. But you can check her biodata here.

Ah, thanks. :D I really don't know anything about X-Men. [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D Except the films. ;)

[ 05-11-2003, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

I don't think he was; can't recall him myself, either. </font>[/QUOTE]<font color=deepskyblue>I don't remember him either. I thought William Stryker was first introduced in the "God Loves, Man Kills" tradeback. Could be wrong. That was before I became an X-men fan.</font>

Yes, he was. In fact X2 was probably adapted from the 'God Loves, Man Kills' story arc, given the similarities to the plot.

[ 05-11-2003, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Rimjaw ]

Magik was a pretty cool character... She was the best of the New Mutants, along with Rahne.
I have a question, though-- I have been away from comics for a while, but I read an article the other day that said Marvel decided after the success of the first film to "revamp" X-Men and basically restart it (due to the enormously complex history of the characters). This is supposedly where Ultimate X-Men comes from. Does anyone know if this is just an alternate version of the team, or has Marvel basically re-written X-Men continuity?
I always loved Marvel for trying to maintain continuity, rather than revamping it's characters every few years like DC does. I'd hate to think the'd abandoned that philosophy.

Yes its true. I've been reading Ultimate X-Men since issue #1. And to answer your question, its considered an alternate timeline. There's also Ultimate Spiderman, Daredevil and The Ultimates (aka Ultimate Avengers). The concept was good since from a business point of view new readers could jump in without being intimidated by the tangled continuity of the Claremont era. Old X-Men fans like myself we're also interested for the same reason, as well as to see the X-Men get a contemporary update. There has been some speculation as to whether Marvel will 'Ultimize' the entire Marvel-verse but somehow I don't see that happening. As for the comic. Well, in my opinion the first twelve issues were good (they covered the Magneto and Weapon X arcs) however the writing standard kind of fell after that. However they'll be changing the creative team next month so things will hopefully pick up. There's also been a revamp of sorts for the other X-Books as well which happened about two years ago in terms of the main storyline.

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Yes, I do agree, Rahne Sinclair(Wolfsbane) is one of the more interesting characters.

With regards to the revamp, well, if I'm not mistaken, some time back, I thought Marvel planned some sort of "new improved" X-Men revamp/re-imagination or whatever they called it then. Something about having the teenaged version, of the current X-Men running around. Imagine Teen Wolverine, Teen Storm etc. I think they even planned on giving Teen Wolverine an oh so trendy goatie as well. Gee, whiz! [img]graemlins/1disgust.gif[/img]

The trouble with comics is, every new writer that comes along decides that he/she would shake things up a little by mucking about with established characters and giving it their very own "twist". What next? Wolvie finally decides to settle down and becomes a manicurist/hairstylist?

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<font color="#f683ad">Considering that a "teen" version of Woverine would be minus the adamantium claws and skeletal armor....all he could do is sit there and take punishment and heal himself....rather a boring mutant. </font>

Having read the series, its not even half as bad as Finn says it is, it fact its position as one of Marvels top sellers (beating Uncanny, formerly Marvel's flagship title) proves otherwise. true, the Ultimate X-Men squad is portrayed as younger (late-teens) than their regular counterparts. This is only fair since it is set during the team's formative years. And Ultimate Wolverine is definately not a teen, he's the same 90+ year old Wolverine we're familiar with. I agree with the goatee though. Damn, it looks dorky. But I can live with it.

[ 05-12-2003, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Rimjaw ]

Actually I don't remember Artie talking OR telepathing, but then I've only seen the film once. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<span style="color: lightblue">The X-Men Evolution Cartoon Series has most of the characters as teenagers, at the mutant academy. There are however, some "teachers" there... in other words, alot of them are still adults.
The ones who are definately adults: Mystique, Magneto, Storm, Beast, Wolverine, Juggernaught, and (ofcourse) Prof X.
Definately kids: Cyclops, Jean, Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Spyke, Toad, Tabitha, Quicksilver, that guy who can make earthquakes (forget his name), Cyclops' Brother (forget his name too).
I *think* I've also seen Gambit in one episode, but I'm not sure if he was adult or a kid.

<font color = lightgreen>Avalanche (who is Greek, at least in the comics) can generate seismic waves (a fascinating power, if used properly) and Havok, who can generate rather destructive plasma blasts. Cyclops and Havok, incidentally, are immune to each other's powers.

I really can't stand the trend of transforming adult comic characters into teenaged versions of themselves. In fact, I don't like the idea of "teenaged superhumans" at all. Oh, well....</font>

(Spoilers)
The fact that they cut the entire Phoenix saga short and even killed the leader of the Hellfire Club, Sebastian Shaw, a few pages after his initial introduction was a bit of a disappointment... And Psylocke was dead before she ever even made an appearance in her superhero costume and dito codename. It's certainly... different.

<font color = lightgreen>Avalanche (who is Greek, at least in the comics) can generate seismic waves (a fascinating power, if used properly) and Havok, who can generate rather destructive plasma blasts. Cyclops and Havok, incidentally, are immune to each other's powers.

I really can't stand the trend of transforming adult comic characters into teenaged versions of themselves. In fact, I don't like the idea of "teenaged superhumans" at all. Oh, well....</font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad">Ya got to be honest though, all these characters started out as teens...the X-Men, Peter Parker...the problem is, that todays writers are lazy, they can't come up with anything fresh, so they recycle the old standby's. It may be a curse of getting old, but every day, I notice works that are just reusing old plots and stories with very very minor changes or innovation.

On the other hand, Kids today need to have their comic book heros [img]smile.gif[/img]

Edit: Nice to se I am not the only one who remembers HavoK [img]smile.gif[/img] Cosmic Ray powered Plasma Blasts...ohhhh yeah! Then there is the "Power Cosmic" as used by Galactus and His Heralds such as The Silver Surfer, Nova and Terraxe...and others [img]smile.gif[/img] Nova by the way was the former Ms. Marvel (aka Carol Danvers) before Rogue sucked the juce right out of her</font>

[ 05-14-2003, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

@ LennonCook:
You did see Gambit, he was a teen (With a crappy goatee), and he was a bad guy...