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ZFR 01-18-2005 03:19 PM

Ok, who can tell me where there is reference to Keldorn in BG1?

SixOfSpades 01-18-2005 03:52 PM

Ajantis refers to training as a squire under Keldorn.

SixOfSpades 01-20-2005 01:20 AM

Okay then, another trivia question. Prism's sculpture of Ellesime might be regarded as "improper" or "cheating" by critics, due to what reason? Explain your answer.
a) He did not base his portrait on the live model
b) He was using performance-enhancing drugs
c) The rough stonework was performed by another artist
d) The inclusion of stolen materials corrupts the aura of the piece
e) The only person judged worthy of portraying an Elf is another Elf

Dace De'Briago 01-20-2005 01:42 AM

Lets do some reasoning...

a) Many acclaimed sculptures are not based upon the use of 'live' models. Maybe Prism was inspired by the ideal of Ellesime or had a vision, divine or otherwise of this ideal.
b) Many acclaimed artists have been off their head with drugs whilst creating masterpieces.
c) I was under the impression that Prism modified an otherwise natural feature, so I think this is unlikely.
d) The aesthetic value of the sculpture could possibly be enhanced by the 'inperfection' of stolen goods (see Illithium quest BG2). It adds character to an otherwise immaculate piece, Prism himself comments that the emeralds are required as a finishing touch.
e) Possibly in the mind of an closed-mind Elf, but most races would tend to disagree.

I think the answer is b) simply because the standard of other individuals taking drugs to produce a piece is neither desirable nor applaudable in any sense.

ZFR 01-20-2005 05:33 AM

I think d)

SixOfSpades 01-20-2005 03:56 PM

Clarification. Which of the possible answers is backed up by what can be learned from your conversation with Prism?

And the answer isn't D. I know, the emeralds were stolen, but that doesn't make a whit of difference to the aesthetic appeal of the work. Besides, if it were that easy, it wouldn't be a good trivia question, now would it? [img]smile.gif[/img]

ZFR 01-27-2005 10:10 AM

So what is the answer?
I'm not good at this sort of thing [img]redface.gif[/img] . I say then b) simply because it is the only thing mentioend in the conversation AFAIR (him using oils of speed).

Link 01-27-2005 02:29 PM

It's A. Prism has never met Ellesime. To clarify it even more: Ellesime is the queen of the elves in Baldur's Gate 2, living in the hidden city Suldanesselar, which is, if I'm quite honest, impossible to access by races other than elves (in each case, non-Suldanesselar inhabitants). I believe it is even told in Shadows of Amn that the PC and his party are the first 'outlanders' to gain access to the city.

Hence it would be impossible for Prism to have met Ellesime.

[ 01-27-2005, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Link ]

ZFR 01-27-2005 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link:
It's A. Prism has never met Ellesime. To clarify it even more: Ellesime is the queen of the elves in Baldur's Gate 2, living in the hidden city Suldanesselar, which is, if I'm quite honest, impossible to access by races other than elves (in each case, non-Suldanesselar inhabitants). I believe it is even told in Shadows of Amn that the PC and his party are the first 'outlanders' to gain access to the city.

Hence it would be impossible for Prism to have met Ellesime.

I think Prism says that he glanced at her once.

In BG2 it says something like one of the few outlanders who accessed it. also in manual about Ellesime it says that very few outsiders have seen her (but some did).

this is all AFAIRC though.

krunchyfrogg 01-27-2005 07:01 PM

I thought in BGII they tell the party "Very few outsiders ever come here" or something like that. Not "no outsiders ever come here."

Could be wrong though.

SixOfSpades 01-28-2005 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZFR:
So what is the answer?
I'm not good at this sort of thing [img]redface.gif[/img] . I say then b) simply because it is the only thing mentioend in the conversation AFAIR (him using oils of speed).

Okay, okay, I admit it, the question was too obscure.

<font color=gray>a) He did not base his portrait on the live model</font> False. He did indeed briefly see Ellesime, as his ship went around the cape of Evereska (or some similarly romantic imagery, it's been a while.)
<font color=white>b) He was using performance-enhancing drugs</font> True. He was chain-chugging Oils of Speed in order to finish the work before the bounty hunters caught up with him.
<font color=gray>c) The rough stonework was performed by another artist</font> False. There is never any indication he wasn't working alone.
<font color=gray>d) The inclusion of stolen materials corrupts the aura of the piece</font> False. That would mar the legal sensibilities of the work, but not the aesthetic.
<font color=gray>e) The only person judged worthy of portraying an Elf is another Elf</font> False--or, at least, probably false, and certainly not mentioned in his dialogue. In any case, Human artists are judged capable (at least among fellow Humans) of rendering depictions of Gods, and if Gods, why not Elves?

Sorry the question was a stinker. ZFR, you're up! [img]smile.gif[/img]

ZFR 01-28-2005 04:39 PM

OK, here's next:
Of all the characters who have some proper names (i.e not "commoner" or "skeleton"), name two which have exactly the same name and say where are they found, other than Darryl and Darryl. (HINT: one of them is an easter egg (though not all might catch it). Can you tell what easter egg am I referring to?)

Lord 01-29-2005 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZFR:
OK, here's next:
Of all the characters who have some proper names (i.e not "commoner" or "skeleton"), name two which have exactly the same name and say where are they found, other than Darryl and Darryl. (HINT: one of them is an easter egg (though not all might catch it). Can you tell what easter egg am I referring to?)

Does this include the doppleganger doubles? If so, then you've got:

These are the guys from Candlekeep:

2 Dreppins.
2 Elminsters.
2 Gorions
2 Reevors
2 Pardas
2 Tethorils
2 Hulls
2 Winthrops
2 Jondolars

There are more like this in CK alone, but I can't recall all of them. There are even more if you include the other dopplegangers in Durlag's Tower. Oh, and there's also Emissary Tar in the Iron Throne building. However, since there are so many of these choices, I feel like this wasn't the answer you were looking for ;)

ZFR 01-29-2005 03:39 PM

Naaaaah Lord, I didnt mean those ;)

Here's another hint: The two characters are completely unrelated. I believe the similar names are just a coincidence and were overlooked by the designers.

Link 01-30-2005 03:32 AM

There's two Sendais [img]smile.gif[/img] One in BG and one in ToB.

ZFR 01-30-2005 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link:
There's two Sendais [img]smile.gif[/img] One in BG and one in ToB.
Oh yes true. But the question is about BG+TotSC only. So your answer is not what I was looking for.

ZFR 02-01-2005 11:52 AM

OK... one is in TotSC one is not...
Name starts with P..

Pirengle 02-02-2005 02:07 PM

This would be Palin, who hands out advice in the Peldvale woods and is also a "good samaritan" gone wrong in TotSC.

ZFR 02-02-2005 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pirengle:
This would be Palin, who hands out advice in the Peldvale woods and is also a "good samaritan" gone wrong in TotSC.
Correct!

From some website: "[Palin in Peldvale] will tell you how his uncle, an adventurer, got eaten by a huge monster who ambushed his party. Apparently, this is a reference to the medieval parody “Jabberwocky” played by the British actor Michael Palin."

Pirengle 02-03-2005 11:38 AM

So if it is indeed my turn...

There's a Frank Sinatra reference in BG1. What is it, and where is it?

Midget Gems 02-04-2005 11:04 AM

Does Coran have some Sinatra lines in his dialog, it's hard to remember since I hardly even used him. He's so good that he makes the game too easy and he's too tall for my liking.

Pirengle 02-04-2005 08:23 PM

You're halfway there, MG. (C'mon, take this trivia away from me...)

Midget Gems 02-05-2005 11:54 AM

Well I had to check the walkthrough to find it - it's nice the way it gives you all the NPC dialog so as to see their interactions.

"Luck be a Lady Tonight" as sung by Frank Sinatra.

Pirengle 02-05-2005 12:41 PM

It's yours, Midget Gems, take it away. (Far away. Please. [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

Midget Gems 02-06-2005 01:39 AM

Gee thanks, Pirengle. I suppose I'll ask a question that is a bit more technical than pure trivia .....

Playing 'Bard-song' is supposed to improve the Luck and Morale of your party. If Luck results in improved Dice rolls, then what protection feature is granted by the improved Morale? I only came across this recently even though I've played the game many times.

ZFR 02-06-2005 03:59 AM

Protection from fear? though does it also protect from magical fear (horror spell)? or only 'natural' fear (low hitpoints, watching a friend die...).

Midget Gems 02-06-2005 12:15 PM

That's it ZFR.

I actually tested it against the Horror spell. With the song playing all my party failed their saves and the little icon appeared on their pictures, but they did not turn yellow and run away, instead they carried on fighting. Switch off the song and they run away and get killed. I had the song playing pretty much all the time and didn't notice any improvement in their 'courage' - they still ran off when they had low hit points.
So yes, Bardsong does grant protection from the effects of Horror

ZFR 02-06-2005 01:10 PM

So if it is my turn then...

How can you both enter the Mercahnt's League and get the heavy crossbow of accuracy without cheating? I know it might be very well known to some of you but I just learnt it recently [img]redface.gif[/img] .


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