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khazadman 04-18-2002 04:08 PM

when they hired writers did they hire any that had ever watched any of the old shows?they've already changed the klingons now they have photon torpedoes.if i remember rightly the federation did not know what the klingons really looked like till the events surrounding the first movie.and the photon torpedo was a romulan invention that premiered in The Balance Of Terror.they even mentioned the ferengi another race that was unknown til tng.

Gammit 04-18-2002 04:30 PM

I was wondering the same thing about the Ferengi myself...

dragonwolf 04-18-2002 08:09 PM

if you listen to the end of the episoid with the firangi, archer warns them about ever coming near another earth or vulcan ship ever agin.(i know i am not the best speller) and photon torpedos were around at the begining kirk used torpedos aginst the romulans in balance of power and stole a cloaking device in a later episoide.

khazadman 04-18-2002 08:28 PM

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and photon torpedos were around at the begining kirk used torpedos aginst the romulans in balance of power and stole a cloaking device in a later episoide.
no the romulans invented it.the balance of terror was about a romulan ship testing the torpedoes on federation listening posts along the demilitarized zone.
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if you listen to the end of the episoid with the firangi, archer warns them about ever coming near another earth or vulcan ship ever agin
damn,that was one of the episodes that i missed.

dragonwolf 04-18-2002 10:21 PM

balance of power was the first episoid that the romulans were in it does mention how NOONE has ever seen the face of a romulane before then
then the episoide where we see the romulans in the klinglong looking battle cruiser that kirk stole the cloacking device from

Arnabas 05-16-2002 09:13 AM

Ok...
1.The Romulans did not invent the photon torpedo. You are thinking of the PLASMA torpedo. That is the weapon they were feared for.
2.Enterprise (under Archer) has missiles.
3.The whole Klingon appearance thing is a bit of a joke. Roddenberry himself said that the Klingons ALWAYS looked the way they do now. In the original series they didn't have the special effects to do it right, so when we watch Kirk fight guys in dark facepaint, we are supposed to imagine the klingons we know and love today.

Albromor 05-16-2002 11:09 AM

What you have with Enterprise are two individuals, Berman and Braga, who have worn out their welcome in the Trek universe at least 10 years ago. Unfortuantly Paramount executives just don't get it and they handed the franchise over to these two who are managing to kill it. Their formula is tired, they have manage to alienate a lot of tried and true Trek fans, and they really, really, really hate the original series. And as for the last statement it is a known and written fact, especially Braga, that Kirk & Company is something they truly wish would just disappear. They have little if any respect. Every chance they get they take continuity and throw it out the window. That is why there are so many descrepencies in Enterprise. And as for the writers, well lets just say that B&B have the uncanny ability to hire people that don't know sci-fi, nor do they know the first thing about what makes a good story: characters. In B&B's case techno-gizmos and techno-babble always came first. If you don't believe me check out Voyager. Talk about garbage. How it stayed on the air for 7 years is amazing considering the ratings were so poor. But then again, UPN doesn't have all that much to show. Basically B&B are creating Trek in their own image. Shelley's Frankenstein anyone?

gaunty 05-20-2002 06:58 PM

how believable is this time cold war anyway?

and I am concerned that they don't go home for real re-supplies and upgrades.

yes yes I know I'm talking the wrong people, sorry.

khazadman 05-23-2002 08:59 PM

yeah,this time cold war is bull s**t.the thing i do like about enterprise is how they humiliate the vulcans.i look on the vulcans as the elves of space. :D

Grojlach 05-26-2002 02:40 PM

Wasn't there a mention of the Temporal Cold War in DS9 or Voyager? Not sure, but I've read somewhere that it was stated in an earlier series... So it's not dropping out of nowhere, at least. ;)

Hanz123 05-27-2002 04:08 PM

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I was wondering the same thing about the Ferengi myself...
I saw that bit (I think) and I remember both archer and the vulcan saying they didn't know the ferengi. So that would add up at least.

Timo Jay 05-31-2002 07:50 PM

I think that alot of people are getting worked up over enterprise when the story has only just begun. even still its prety obvious that the temporal cold war is a foil for them to rewrite the past history of star trek and then just make it all vanish away if they want to and have archer etc wiped from time! thats my view of it.

Oh and that episode with the Vulcans with emotions, if im not mistaken is the start Romulans basically. they did used to be vulcans after all.

Timo Jay 05-31-2002 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Arnabas:

3.The whole Klingon appearance thing is a bit of a joke. Roddenberry himself said that the Klingons ALWAYS looked the way they do now. In the original series they didn't have the special effects to do it right, so when we watch Kirk fight guys in dark facepaint, we are supposed to imagine the klingons we know and love today.

Yeah i thought that to but in the DS9 episode with the tribbles and kirk in. someone asks Worf why he looks different and he says that his race underwent a genetic change of some kind but he wouldnt give any more details.

Arnabas 06-01-2002 08:24 PM

As I recall, everyone was saying "Klingons? WHere are the Klingons?" When they were directed to the old-style guys they aked Worf about it and he simply said "we don't talk about it". This was basically just a wink and nod to the fans, playing around. But the official explanation from Roddenberry was that they always looked the way they do now and we just have to visualize the ridges on the old actors.

johnny 06-03-2002 09:12 AM

erm... didn't they take it to the scrap yard in 1947 ?

Hanz123 06-03-2002 05:02 PM

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I think that alot of people are getting worked up over enterprise when the story has only just begun. even still its prety obvious that the temporal cold war is a foil for them to rewrite the past history of star trek and then just make it all vanish away if they want to and have archer etc wiped from time! thats my view of it.
What do you mean? Isn't archer supposed to be the first captain of enterprise. Didn't he already get mentioned in any of the other series?

Arnabas 06-03-2002 11:47 PM

The first captain of the Constitution class Enterprise (from the original series) was Robert April. Then Chris Pike took over, followed by Jim Kirk.

Hanz123 06-05-2002 05:06 PM

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The first captain of the Constitution class Enterprise (from the original series) was Robert April. Then Chris Pike took over, followed by Jim Kirk.
So the Enterprise run by archer isn't a Constitution class?

Arnabas 06-08-2002 09:18 PM

Actually, I haven't seen every episode and if they mentioned the class designation, I missed it. It shouldn't be constitution, but if it is, well, I dunno what to tell you. The sip that was in the original series was the Constitution class. When it was refitted for the movies, some books called it the Enterprise class, but it was referred to as constitution again in one of the later movies (6?).


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