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Grand-Ranger 09-21-2001 11:35 PM

In AD&D books there is no Bards!?!

There is a Bloody ton of wizards

Plenty of fighters

Quite a number of Clerics

A few Theifs

No Bards!?! I want a famous Bard damn it!

Bah..

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Lord of Alcohol 09-22-2001 10:39 PM

Grand-Ranger its not the Realms but if you can find it The Harp and the Blabe by John Myers Myers (yes two Myers for some reason) is a bardic-type book. I'm sure out of print but try online used booksellers. It is what your looking for...

Lioness 09-23-2001 08:42 AM

In "The Mists of Avalon" which I'm currently reading, Merlin is described as a bard. Just came to mind.

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Tancred 09-23-2001 09:12 AM

What about Storm Silverhand? She's known as the Bard of Shadowdale.

dominions 09-23-2001 01:46 PM

I think that writers don't write about bards due to them being a bit half-arsed in the skill department. The can do a little bit of magic, a little bit of sword play, a little bit of thieving, but they're no where near as good as the classes these skills are taken from.
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Tancred 09-23-2001 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dominions:
I think that writers don't write about bards due to them being a bit half-arsed in the skill department. The can do a little bit of magic, a little bit of sword play, a little bit of thieving, but they're no where near as good as the classes these skills are taken from.
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OR (he says snidely) Bards are a little harder to stereotype, and so most writers avoid them as too difficult to write.

dominions 09-24-2001 10:40 AM

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OR (he says snidely) Bards are a little harder to stereotype, and so most writers avoid them as too difficult to write.
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Ziroc 09-24-2001 11:43 PM

Read the Forgotten Realms book "Elf Shadow" and "Eld Song". Both have lots of Bard characters in them.. Dan is one.. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Both of those books are part of the Harpers Sets..

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MILAMBER 09-26-2001 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tancred:
What about Storm Silverhand? She's known as the Bard of Shadowdale.
I was just going to mention her.

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Sneeki Two 09-27-2001 12:15 AM

Wasn't there a book called Finder's Stone (TSR/Forgottem Realms) that featured a famous bard (His name was Finder something)? I mentioned the Gord the Rogue Series (out of print by Gary Gygax) a while back. He featured a human bard by the name of Gellor (he was pretty tough). He was what bards used to be in 1rst edition Ad&d (8Fighter/9thief then you began lessons as a druid but were considered a bard as you progressed using the bard xp tables).

You might also want to try reading Rhapsody by Elizabeth Haydon. Her main character is a bardlike persona (called Namers in her world). There are three books in the series, and so far the first seems to be decent.

dominions 09-28-2001 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Sneeki Two:
Wasn't there a book called Finder's Stone (TSR/Forgottem Realms) that featured a famous bard (His name was Finder something)? ...
One of the GREATEST forgotten realms books, IMHO.
His name was Finder and he was a bit of a twithttp://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif. If you read the books:

Curse of the Azure Bonds
Finder's Stone
Song of the Saurials

You'll understand why.

Great series.


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Balgin 09-28-2001 07:37 PM

Try reading any anthology of Robin Hood stories and you'll probably find at least a mention of Alan a Dale, the minstrel whose bride was to be married off to a norman lord untill Robin and his men posed as wedding guests ("we are but humble sheperds you're lordship and would see that all is done properly"). Little John (John Little Nailor) bellowed the bans three times (in case anyone didn't hear them the first time) the Friar Michael Tuck performed the service with the Archbishop of Herefords purloined sacrimental garments (whilst the Bishop, trussed up and fuming was forced to watch). After this Alan and his lady love we're practically declared outlaws on the spot and had to retire to the greenwood.

There are probably others (Shaherazad of the Arabian Nights, oh, and there was a fantasy trilogy about a hook handed bard who spent the second book deposing a new death god by bringing the old one out of the underworld along with the old war god and one or two other deities whose powers (due to a persistant lack of followers as new gods emerged) where reduced to an almost mortal level. Can anyone remember what any of those three books where called as I only read the second one and half of the first before the library asked for it back and never made a note of the titles. If anyone has a clue what they where please let me know (BTW, they weren't by David Eddings as, by sheer chance I have never read anything of his at all, it's not that I don't want to, other things always get in the way).

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Forscythe 09-29-2001 04:59 AM

In Darkwalker on Moonshae.....(a Forgotten Realms Book) and one that i own! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

There is perhaps THE MOST FAMOUS BARD OF THE REALMS!!!! KEREN DONNELL-Bard of the harp. (famous but with whom....hmmm)

This Guy Moved with a Composite Longbow...And A Black falcon Sable and kicked all kinds of Firbolg butt!!
(spoiler)

He was killed by the Darkwalker Kazgoroth Himself (come on now His claws are in BG1 the game)!!

Sir Taliesin 10-02-2001 12:49 PM

<font color=orange>Stephen Lawhead has a series out about King Auther that describes Merlin and his father Taliesin as Bards. though Merlin later went on to become a sort of Christain Druid. I know that sounds funny, but that's how I think of him.</font>

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Prime2U 10-02-2001 09:36 PM

hmmm famous bards...
Storm Silverhand is about as famous as they come...
Danilo Thann
I think you could call Volo a bard for all intents
A fair share of the harpers are at least a duel class bard
I'm sure there are some others as well, a lot of the time the bards seem more like warriors because...well it's more fun to read about fighting than someone sitting around singing.

Grand-Ranger 10-04-2001 01:40 AM

Welll I think some people have misinterpeted my meaning as a Bard..

Here is what Bards mean to me:

A daring person. Roushish. And is talented in some sort of art. Singing, Poetry, somthing like that. And chrismatic. Popular with the laides and all.

Haer' Dalis was a good exsample of my type of bard, needed to be a bit more daring. Well he might have been, I didnt keep him to long.

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