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MILAMBER 05-01-2001 04:49 PM

Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series of books was recomended to me by a friend a couple of months ago. I bought the first book the next day and then put off starting it for about a month and a half. The day I started the first book, my life came to a screeching halt. I couldn't bring myself to do anything if it meant putting the book down. I am now halfway through the second book and loving it.

Has anyone else read them? If so, what did you think?

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Sentinel04 05-01-2001 10:44 PM

Have you read any of the Wheel of Time books? They rock, flat out. I'm 1/2 through the fourth, and am loving it.

I, too, have read the second sword of truth novel. It looks like Mr. Goodkind 'borrows creatively' from Robert Jordan(Wheel of Time author).

Anyway, whenever you're finished with th SoT series, check out the Wheel of Time series. You'd probably like them a lot.

Throntar 05-02-2001 12:32 PM

Howdy Milamber!

I have read the entire Sword of Truth series and love it! One of my top three or four series picks. The saga starts a bit slow in the first book, but gets better and better with each novel. I have *really* enjoyed his latest in the series, "Faith of the Fallen". I think that is like the 5th book in the series?

Goodkind delivers a very subtle message that can be very hard to pick up if you are not sensitive to it. It is not obtrusive to the storyline, but adds to it without sounding like whining. I really enjoyed seeing the characters develop throughout the series of novels...something you rarely see anymore in modern fantasy writings. The main character (Richard) is a very introspective fellow and spends lots of time battling back and forth within himself with what is right and what it wrong (in his estimation, of course). The interesting part is that he makes decisions about things, but it is never really clear whether he has made the "right" decision or not.

*Very* good read! Highly recommended!

Little of everything in these stories...

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Throntar 05-02-2001 12:34 PM

BTW guys...I *seriously* disagree with the notion that Goodkind borrows from Jordan. I don't find the two series' to have the first thing to do with one another. But...that's just my opinion.

Jordan's Wheel of Time series is also one of my top reads, but I just don't think that it and the Sword of Truth are anything alike...

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Mouse 05-02-2001 02:40 PM

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slackerboy 05-02-2001 04:28 PM

my brother bought that for me for christmas, i havent gotten to it yet. but i'm almost done reading the rest of my line up. so i'm about to start that.

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MILAMBER 05-02-2001 05:06 PM

Glad to hear the everyone else likes them too. Sentinel04, thanks for the recomendation to Robert Jordan. I have heard very good things about his books. I think they will be next on the line up. As far as borrowing creatively is concerned, I have never read any of Jordans books, so I can't tell, but two things I noticed and I can't tell if it is a nod of the hat to other authors or not, but there are a people called "Sandarians" which sound like the sendarians from the David Eddings books in the Belgariad. There is also a "Nameless One" as the enemy and there is a nameless one as the main enemy in Raymond Feists books who my namesake fought vigilantly to keep down.

Regardless, they are excellent reading and I fear my life will remain on hold until I can finish them all.

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Axterix 05-04-2001 07:07 PM

Jordan, sadly, he's lost his focus. My advice is put off reading him until he finishes the series. The first books are great. Just awesome reading. And then the plot stops and all you get for a bunch of books is people whining about how so and so can handle the opposite gender better then them. Okay, we get the point, move on. Combine that with trying to follow too many characters in too many places doing too many unimportant things... well, suffice it to say one of the most compelling (and one of the main as well) characters doesn't even get touched upon in one of the later books.

With the plot stopped as it currently is, not starting is the best way to go. Hopefully, a few less book sales will enlighten Jordan that maybe, just maybe, he needs to get back to what made the first books great. And it'll save you from having to wait a year or two between books for the next book in which nothing will happen. And when that book does come out, you'll reread the previous ones... up until the time you realize that nothing really happens and you decide to just not bother refreshing your memory anymore.

So much potential... but sadly much of it lost due to an author that has lost his grip on his vision and let it spiral out of control.

And so, wait for him to finish... and then read it all.

Until then, enjoy your Goodkind.

slackerboy 05-05-2001 02:29 AM

just started wizards first rule today.

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Fljotsdale 05-05-2001 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Axterix:
Jordan, sadly, he's lost his focus. .
Yeah... he is not the only author to succumb to publishers who just want 'em to churn out more books so they (the publisher) can make lots of nice profit. And the fan are not blameless either! We want more and MORE of the same RIGHT NOW! Never mind if the writer needs more time to produce good work..! Don't blame the writers too much! They are under a lot of pressure to compete for audiences, and some can work with that better than others.


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Axterix 05-06-2001 12:59 AM

Hehe, I don't think that's Jordan's problem.

He's got a vision of what he wants and I'm inclined to believe he knows how the story will play out at the end. But he's trying to cover too much, trying to cover every single detail. He isn't giving us fluff, junk made up just to make a deadline. My belief is that he's let his vision run rampant, not focusing on the story he should be telling, instead, trying to add all this depth which only serves to detract from the progress of the tale.

slackerboy 05-14-2001 02:55 PM

wow. this book is really fun to read.

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Throntar 05-14-2001 03:09 PM

Yup. The series gets better as you go on. I thought that the first novel (the one you are reading) started a little slow, but picked up as the story went on.

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slackerboy 05-15-2001 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by Throntar:
Yup. The series gets better as you go on. I thought that the first novel (the one you are reading) started a little slow, but picked up as the story went on.


i dont know , it seemed to start off with some action and got right into the plot. the first quad attacking on the cliff. then the gar, and then meating the wizard and finding out about the seeker, its managed to pull me in rather quickly.

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Throntar 05-15-2001 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by slackerboy:
i dont know , it seemed to start off with some action and got right into the plot. the first quad attacking on the cliff. then the gar, and then meating the wizard and finding out about the seeker, its managed to pull me in rather quickly.

Hmmm... Well, good. I'm glad that it's working for you. I guess that I just think of what you described above as starting out slow. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

What I consider a fast start is something like the "Legion of Videssos" series by Harry Turtledove. The premise is that a Roman Legion (well...actually a small, scout legion) is fighting in Gaul and is ambushed by some Gaelic tribes. Both the Gaelic leader and the Tribune of the Legion have these weird swords engraved with Druidic runes. When they clash and their blades cross, everyone in the Roman Legion along with the Gaelic leader are transported to another world. A world where magic lives and infantry is unheard of. Well...you can imagine how Roman infantry (perhaps the best the world has ever known) would make an impact in that kind of situation.

That is a *real* fast start! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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slackerboy 05-15-2001 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Throntar:
Hmmm... Well, good. I'm glad that it's working for you. I guess that I just think of what you described above as starting out slow. http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

What I consider a fast start is something like the "Legion of Videssos" series by Harry Turtledove. The premise is that a Roman Legion (well...actually a small, scout legion) is fighting in Gaul and is ambushed by some Gaelic tribes. Both the Gaelic leader and the Tribune of the Legion have these weird swords engraved with Druidic runes. When they clash and their blades cross, everyone in the Roman Legion along with the Gaelic leader are transported to another world. A world where magic lives and infantry is unheard of. Well...you can imagine how Roman infantry (perhaps the best the world has ever known) would make an impact in that kind of situation.

That is a *real* fast start! http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif


i got a kick out of harry turtledove's "<u>World War</u>" series.


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Gray Mage 05-17-2001 04:03 PM

I 'm reading both series, Jordans first couple wer great. I started reading # 5 and got stuck....boring. I put it down for a while and comented on the forum that I was stuck. Someone told me to finish it, because the next one is better. Low and behold they were correct, great ending I thought, but as Axterix said, he has lost focus. All in all a good set of books.

Sword of truth....Great books. One thing I did note is that, there are quite a lot of similairites in the 2 worlds. I won't go into it, but let me know and I'll elaborate.

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jabidas 05-25-2001 07:38 PM

To be perfectly honest I dont like gookind that much couple of reasons

A:his main charecters never ever change Richard is exactly the same, nothing makes an impact, nothing changes the way he thinks, Kahalan is boring beyond belief and I honestly cant say i have even a remotly clear mental image of her.To make matters somewhat worse there painfully good they always go on and on for pages about very high minded MODERN philosophy when the situation would dictate they should think differently( ie get on with the buisness at hand). Charecters should have light and dark, Richard and kahalan are terribly one dimensional as are most of the charecters but there also never wrong its like reading egotistical ravings. Damn but having read robin hobbs farseer trilogy recently and after witnessing the incredible charecter development Goodkind is sickeningly bad. From reading the books Richard and kahalan score all 25s in the abilities and just their endless perfection iritates me

B: The books seem to be written for sweaty palmed 13 year olds, I realise authors put sex into novels to make it interesting but why do we have to suffer through all of the awful mysogynist violence. Most of the sex scenes demean women and dont argue realism after seeing the wax puppet charecters. Its so boring as well i remember this kind of thing being discussed on bgdungeon before and the conclusion was it should be left to the imagination because pornography is for dull People with no minds. I dont object to sex scenes i do object to cruel sexual violence

C: Goodkind suffers from some kind of problem when from book to book the enemey or deadly creature always has to be a million times harder and more evil than the previous ones this might seem aceptable in an rpg for progresive gameplay but in a book it just seems like a series of dick extensions, an example of say the nazgul in Lord of the rings shows that you can keep an enemy deadly and scary throughout a series, but in the sword of truth it goes wizard with subtractive, loads of women with subtractive, and so forth into eternity.

While i could go i wont because im getting bored i will write a good point , some of the minor charecters are good nicci and cara although the way nicci changes in the end should have been done a lot better

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MILAMBER 06-01-2001 06:05 PM

Just finished Faith of the Fallen. I think it was the best book in the series so far. I stayed up till 8:AM finishing it, and was thinking about it the whole next day. I'm starting on Hobb now per some of your recomendations.

Glad your liking it slackerboy!

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slackerboy 06-06-2001 02:59 AM

just finished the sword of truth, and am now starting the stone of tears.

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