I'm going to try again to organise a friendly PvP tournament using our EfU characters.

The last one got canned due to me moving house and having no internet access. This time its eaiser for me to organise.

I'm going to try and organise prizes of Gold or weapons for the winner.

There will be some Banned items but a list of them will be posted before the tounament.

To minimise strain on the server there will be brackets of fights and time limits on fights of 10 minutes.

It will be a random draw so there could be wizards vs fighters rogues vs druids.

The storyline behind it is that Halaster has teleported everyone to the PvP arena and only one person can leave. *evil laugh*

This post is simply to gauge the reaction of the community to see if this is going to be worth our time.

I would need at least 10 people to compete.

Cheers!

Of course, it'll be your pain... [img]graemlins/firedevil.gif[/img]

What would you do about level differences? It would be a bit unfair for low level EFU beginners....

Hmm with level differences we can divide the field in to 1-20 and 20 to 40.

Of course XP is high in EfU so we have a lot of level 40 players.

Once we have an idea on the amount of players interested we can work on the finer points.

I shall await all comers, Lvl is irrelevant. Bring your own nurses, and crying towels... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Shweeeet, this sounds fun....

Well since i'm a level 8 char and thus expecting death, the number of nurses that will have to accompany me to keep me alive should be enough to occupy New Zealand...

Now...the number of crying towels...

Well you should be able to level up fairly quickly in EfU. Party up and head down for some good XP

Be sure to leave the Black Blade at home for this one... [img]tongue.gif[/img] I don't want you killing yourself again... :D

Yeps count me in. When's the Tourney? How much time to I have to level up and equip my brand new character? :D

To give people time shall we say in about 3-4 weeks time ?

Its still all up in the air so times and dates havn't been officially announced yet.

I will be watching for updates on the tourney then. Will it be like an actual tournament?

Yeah there will be brackets and stuff depending on who we get involved. If you get on EfU do some shouts to let people who don't visit the forums know.

I may be able to make an appearance between the 6th or the 16th of next month.

<font face="Verdana" size="3" color="#00FF00">I would love to participate. Time permiting of course. Weekends and evenings are fine just need to set a time, and I am mountain time.</font>

[ 05-26-2005, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

I would also suggest a 'locker room' where we can leave all of our extra stuff to limit encumbrance. Also - gold does me no good. I have 40 million plus!

Mercc

Ok. I would like to enter too, time zones, holidays and other problems permitting.

One question. Can we put up only one character or can we try more. I'm not planning to enter a crowd but I do have STR and DEX based characters and I'd be interested to see how each of them do.

And if anything is going to be banned can I put in a vote for harm spells and rings of harm. They get me every time.

Harm is easy to counter, especially with level 40 characters. But, I do agree with you, it would be good to have the restrictions written down so we can make the necessary adjustments to equipment and character progression.

Yeah there are a few items that I am thinking of banning.

1. Velsomethingorother amulet of destruction ( the un nerffed one) The nerfed one can be worn.

2. Ring of Harm

3. Anything that has unlimited charges.

4. Wand of hellball

Is there anything else I can add to the list ?

Healing potions?? It's not as big a deal on EfU as it is on the other main server I play, since there are no death penalties, but we always res the loser after duels. But there is no point in healing during the duel, if the other char is getting you, your going to get got...
Edit: Perhaps we should consider wearing some plain clothes, and no jewelry, and using non magical versions of our weapons. I'd really like to test my char build against other chars, not the gear I've managed to find...I think this came up during conversation about the last PvP event, and I think it's a good idea. Opinions?

[ 05-28-2005, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: robertthebard ]

The latest post from robertthebard about a "bare knuckles" contest with no enhanced equipment sounds like a good idea.

Everyone has their favourite way of playing and it would be interesting to see how they work out. My bet on the best option without enhancements would be a DEX based monk/fighter combination, perhaps with rouge or weapon master, but I know there are plenty of other ideas out there.

For the moment though, I suspect people who have played regularly have built characters to exploit what is available. Taking that equipment away could severely limit the characters we have.

If the current tournament goes well it would be worth trying out a contest with only basic equipment. That would give us time to set up some new builds.

For the no magical equipment one, I'd put my money on the clerics or mages. The former because of their +10 AC and +5 weapons with Darkfire damage, the latter because they don't rely heavily on equipment to begin with. Also, they have Greater Sanctuary to buy themselves all the time they need to buff up, and Truesight to spot the stealthy classes.

If there is no magical equipment then the mages and the cleric will wipe the floor with everyone. Hell even with magial equipement the mages are going to be tough to beat.

Edit: Antoher banned item. Wands of Mords Disjuction.

[ 05-29-2005, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: T-D-C ]

Im up for it. 3-4 weeks sounds good, as it gives me time to get back into the game, and to get a character to level 40.

Well, i'm up for whenever, the latter the better, so I can get my character powerfull enough to beat all you uys :D

It's pure arrogance to think you could win from me.
Your overconfidence shall be the death of you :D

Oh, I should be more clear on what I mean too. Armor would be allowed, just non magical. With harm restricted, I believe a well built fighter would mop the floor, probably literally, with a cleric, not so sure about mages, but it remains to be seen. However, whichever way it goes, I'm game for the game...And I must say, I agree with Legolas, Hivey, your arrogance will be your undoing... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

hehehe, well I have T-D-C on my side so watch yourselves :D

[ 05-29-2005, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: Hivetyrant ]

Hmmmm Im not so sure harm as a cleric spell should be disallowed. if someone wants to load them selves up on Harm spells they are going to be missing out on using their heal spells.

I only want to disallow the ring of harms. If we can't ban Dev crit then I think harm should be in.

Agreed. I'm sure a lot of dedicated cleric players are going to breathe a heavy sigh of relief too. I would question the use of any actual healing, as healing will go a long way towards admitting defeat. Regeneration is built into a majority of the gear we use, and as such, if we are to be using that gear, should be left alone, as would the cleric regen spells. Oh, and while we're on the topic of spells, I think we should be clear on when buffs are to be cast. I think it only fair that all chars that will be using buffs, bards included, should use them only after the *bell* has rung, to begin the match.

Buffs can only be cast AFTER the bell.

Come on ZIROC...delete my characters quickly so i can start anew!!!!

Recently on EfU I have seen many Shadowdancers popping up. May have been just coincendence!

Can Hidden people be spotted by the post spell?

You can start a new character and Z can delete all but them.

It is a bug but hidden people can be revealed by truesight.

On use of healing, it certainly does have a few functions.

The main one is weathering the limited-use attacks of the enemy. A rogue's traps, a wizard's more powerful spells, and so on. They allow you to wear the enemy down until you are the one holding the advantage.
The second one is simply buying time. If you have a DevCrit fighter for example, you'd hope the enemy fails his fortitude save. If you can help it at all, you'd like the fight to go on and on because you know you're going to strike gold eventually.
Likewise, if the fight goes on for long enough, the enemy's buffs will wear off. That, again, puts you at an advantage.

As an aside, if harm rings are out, what about scrolls?

I honestly don't see a probelm with scrolls as they can only be used by spell casting classes or classes who have invested in UAI.

On second thought we will have to look at what scrolls are available (pretty much all of them I think) we may restrict scroll use to level 5 scrolls and below. What do you think ?

I think that casting a spell from a scroll takes an entire round, and results in a spell that has nowhere near the strength, penetration power, DC and duration of one memorised by a caster.
Of course, you can carry a lot more scrolls around than a caster can memorise, but then, the caster is welcome to use scrolls too.
We might consider a cap of no more than 4 scrolls of one kind, or a maximum of 30 scrolls, or similar. It won't really matter much since I expect the fight to be over by then. On the other hand, that's a potential for 30 Heals.

I'd think we can do the same for potions, 3 of one kind or so. That allows healing and buffing for classes that depend on it, without going over the top.

I'd like to see fighting/casting based mostly on the character's own power, but without denying necessary buffs to those who need them, or forgetting that the characters were designed for a high-magic world like EfU.

Because of that, I'd vote against other items which you do not need to equip in order to use. That includes rods and wands, but also other items such as badges, lanterns and similar. Those who can use the wands can use scrolls of exactly the same power just as easily.
I'd also extend the No to the Cast Spell property of equippable items, but that gets a little more tricky to monitor and control. It's just that there is something scary about the prospect of a DevCrit fighter using a sequencer with Timestop and perhaps some other nastiness right after the bell. [img]smile.gif[/img]
On a side note, no, that tactic won't work to defeat my cleric [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Also, mages won't like it when you keep conjuring Spell Mantles. That's not good sport, just take the hit and shrug it off like a man.

So anyway, the advice would be to limit item magic to some 4 of each scroll and 3 of each potion.

I'm sure I'll get shot down for this, but why not have the first PVP tournament without any restrictions? Make it a true test of who's most powerful WITHIN THE UNDERMOUNTAIN as it is right now? A Harm spell can be countered by a heal potion, regenerating effects are abundant, anyone can roll a natural 1 on a fortitude save for a devastating crit, etc. It doesn't matter much to me either way, just think it would be cool to let everyone go all out. You still may be surprised, and if clerics (or any class) still dominate, then change the rules and do it again in a month.

I've been on holiday so I'm late in responding to Marathon's post.

I have to say that I agree. We have built our characters to cope with Undermountain and we should use whatever is available there (I still hate Harm but I can live with it).

It does worry me that the Wand of Clean Air might be banned. This leaves the magic users with Timestop, Harm and the various concalment and buffing spells.

Surely it's only reasonable to allow the fighter types the chance to take the Mage/Cleric cover out at the expense of an attack of opportunity.

The reason to place some restrictions, is that the fight would be decided by the characters fighting, rather than by who carries most healing potions or similar.

I get that, but if you've been through the undermountain then built characters specific to that, it makes a difference. I'm of the opinion that if you want an Undermountain pvp, play with no restrictions the first time through and see who reigns supreme.

Of course, since I usually play a monk with no special equipment, maybe I should keep my mouth shut and hope a lot does get banned...