In an impromtu match between myself and Stormy, the great Godisnak has fallen! Stay tuned for screenshots!

As hard as it may be to believe, Stormy made me her b**ch. :(

Godisnak has left Undermountain in shame...the pain of defeat too much to take.

There is one brother left...

yes, be sure to put that screen shot up real soon now.....

Guess that means she's ready to hit lvl 12, oh, and secret doors. [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

I was already on 13...where the fight first started ;)

Woo Hoo. Go stormy!

Godisnak has fallen......

I am wearing him down ;) soon all of his characters will have to leave in shame [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]
I think what made it even more shameful for him was I was only level 36 at the time :D

[ 12-04-2004, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Stormymystic ]

As promised, the once Mighty Godisnak bowing before what's her face... [img]smile.gif[/img]

http://www.members.shaw.ca/mtholdings/Image/Whipped.gif

hey, that was the one just before you tried to stab me in the back and fell again wasn't it? [img]tongue.gif[/img] how many times did you fall last night? compared to my letting you get 1 in?

It was a few. It's good to see that you've finally managed to develop a decent character. [img]smile.gif[/img]

How many character has that been now?

ouch, well deserved....

I do believe Stormy that was the Whirling death build from the Bioware Epic Builds pages wasn't it ?

Aww.. if this keeps up all mine'll have to leave to find all of yours, Animal! LOL

Or you'll need a fresh crop ;) BWAHAHAHAHA!

he will need a whole new group *evil grin* we already know Bugdush is scared of me, that is why I fought Godisnak to begin with *hehehehe*
yeah, that was Cas alright, and a mighty fine build she has turned out to be, and with the help of that site, I know how to make better characters [img]smile.gif[/img]

Would you care to take on my sorceress ?

sure, when I get back on. not sure when that is, have so much to do tomorrow. but yeah, you have yourself a match [img]smile.gif[/img]

he will need a whole new group *evil grin* we already know Bugdush is scared of me, that is why I fought Godisnak to begin with *hehehehe*

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Originally posted by T-D-C: I do believe Stormy that was the Whirling death build from the Bioware Epic Builds pages wasn't it ?

yeah, that was Cas alright, and a mighty fine build she has turned out to be, and with the help of that site, I know how to make better characters [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]The ever popular power-gamer! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Not my style I'm afraid.

he will need a whole new group *evil grin* we already know Bugdush is scared of me, that is why I fought Godisnak to begin with *hehehehe*

Quote:

Originally posted by T-D-C: I do believe Stormy that was the Whirling death build from the Bioware Epic Builds pages wasn't it ?

yeah, that was Cas alright, and a mighty fine build she has turned out to be, and with the help of that site, I know how to make better characters [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]The ever popular power-gamer! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Not my style I'm afraid. </font>[/QUOTE]now that I have accomplished my goal of putting one of your characters into the ground a few times, I can go back to what I had originally planned and that is RP [img]smile.gif[/img]

Remember in the old days, when duelers used pistols out of a box? Er, at least movies of duelers from the old days, that's how we should do challenges, bring your char, lose your gear, and use a *house* sword. It has been my experience that you can't beat a good sword, no matter how well built your char may be. Just a thought, as I have no chars ready to duel, at this time. *Makes note to hide next time.*

Hmmm thats an idea for the PvP tournament. Basic gear so the best builds shine.

he will need a whole new group *evil grin* we already know Bugdush is scared of me, that is why I fought Godisnak to begin with *hehehehe*

Quote:

Originally posted by T-D-C: I do believe Stormy that was the Whirling death build from the Bioware Epic Builds pages wasn't it ?

yeah, that was Cas alright, and a mighty fine build she has turned out to be, and with the help of that site, I know how to make better characters [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]The ever popular power-gamer! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Not my style I'm afraid. </font>[/QUOTE]now that I have accomplished my goal of putting one of your characters into the ground a few times, I can go back to what I had originally planned and that is RP [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I do believe this may in fact qualify you for Munchkin status! :D

*groans* please do not call me that, I lived with that nickname for along time, and my oldest brother still calls me that....

And verily, didst Rafael Vega hastily scribble thusly...
|
|well...
|What is a munchkin?

Two definitions.

1> A short, strange little being known to reside at one end of the Yellow
Brick Road [tm].

2> someone who tries to get everything possible (and impossible) to make his
'character' the most powerful, unkillable thing on the planet, irrespective
of rules or common sense. The work 'character' is used here, but munchkins
don't have characters, they have sheets with lots of high numbers and no
personality.

The bottom of the evolutionary ladder, the next rung up being the power
gamer. (Where role-playing DOES play a small part)

Check this out for more advanced definitions. http://gamingbasics.com/glossary/types.html
:D

[ 12-05-2004, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Animal ]

so now you are saying I have no personality? *sobs* fine, I see how you feel about me now.

Well wait a second here. If Stormy can explain from a RP Perspective how her Bard became a RDD who decided to specialise in Rapiers.

If she has a history behind this charcter with a logical explination of the levels and how they relate to her charcter then its all ok. Just because she has a path developed for this charcter doesn't mean she is a munchkin (I to mave made one of those build on the bioware page just for kicks (see Leanna Bella Try explaining that build from a RP perspective LOL))

Thos the Bioware page does off this as an explination for these builds

I say if you can justify it from a RP perspective then its all good

I say if you can justify it from a RP perspective then its all good </font>[/QUOTE]I don't know if any of you remember my bard/assassin/arcane archer Mebrinde. I had to go into the toolset, and write a book about her history, because it was easier than trying to explain to other players why, when we would encounter Drow in Undermountain, she'd shout, *Why can't you just leave me alone?* She was the closest thing I had to a munchkin, but if any of you can remember her from the local vault days, I rp'd her to the max. I lucked out when I lost my other computer, and had her on a server vault somewhere else, but she was a popular char, and when hordes came out, and killed her, there were some players that mourned her death, to the point where I had to rebuild her. The funny thing is, I initially made up her history on lvl 11, while hiding from all the archers from hell that used to be, may still be, down there. Moral to the story; probably not one, but just because my char can whip your char doesn't mean I'm a munchkin, unless, of course, I am. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I never got into 'power builds' or powergaming. I just like to play for fun. It's one reason I'm picky about who I multiplay with and pretty much only play NWN online at EfU (love the server vault setup!).

I guess I never understood the 'thrill' of demolishing someone else's pc just because I could! LOL I did try another server once way back when EfU was just getting started and still local vault and every time my pc joined the game, someone killed her off. It got really annoying after a dozen or so tries at playing so I never went back there and now I'd take EfU over anyplace that didn't have the same rules and server vault! :D

[ 12-06-2004, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

Only if you do it before/during the fact. If you do it after the character is built and has been played extensively, you're just reverse engineering/backward justifying your character's munchkinism with a contrived 'history'.

I've looked at those builds myself, and they are obviously pure munchkin. Now, having said that, I'll add that I did start a character that was straight out of those builds, but I only played him for a few hours and got pretty bored. The characters are so one dimensional that they are non-fun. And, considering that the whole point of most of them is to make hard core PvP killers...well, it's no wonder Godisnak lost.

There's nothing wrong with looking at those builds and using them to influence you...I have...Bronwyn, my main character, is based on the Dwarven Wall(with extensive modifiation to skills and feats), and my second character, Talon, is loosely based on the Rogue Archer(again, with extensive modifications to skills and feats). So, as inspiration for a good build, one that will let you survive long enough to be able to RP, they work.

Now, that's not to say that there's anything inherently 'wrong' with using one of the epic builds straight out of the box, as it were. If that's your thing, I say go for it. But if you do, dont even bother making any pretensions to RPing, cuz that's not what those builds are about. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Anyway...that's my [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img] on the whole thing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

What she said! :D

the only reason I did that build to begin with is because someone suggested it...not naming any names though....

I'm not asking you to justify your choice Stormy. Just responding to TDC's point about RPing. Like I said in my above post, there's nothing inherently wrong with choosing one of the Epic builds, I was just pointing out that they are pure munchkin, and one dimensional, not roleplay based characters. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I understand, I was just defending myself, I am honestly not a munchkin....at least not that kind. though my oldest brother calls me that for some unknown reason.
but as I told Cloudy, I do know how to RP, just the guys I tend to run with in EFU are powerplayers, and I never really know who is and who is not into roleplaying. when I do find someone who roleplays, one of us ends up having to leave for various reasons, so I very seldom get the chance to do it.

I to have used those builds as templates for my characters.

Example: For the RP team I amd going to be playing a cleric. However this cleric has had a history of loosing people to death. To combat this he has extensivly studied death and how it works in order to save people. It does make him a bit somber however it has made him a better healer.

This character will be loosly based around the combat medic build (which does have a few levels of palemaster build in to it)

All of this has been incorporated into the charcters history.

EDIT: While the Epic Builds are good for PvP they lack in some key areas for team play. they tend to focus the skills on stricky PvP.

BTW stormy Im happy to admit that I did recommend those builds to you as you did say that you wanted some help with building characters. Now not only can you build powerful characters but as long as you can build a history and RP these characters (explain there background, alignment, reason for level splits etc) then you will be fine.

[ 12-06-2004, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: T-D-C ]

Believe it or not, the Combat Medic is the one build that I dont see as totally munchkin. Mostly because it specifically states in the build that this character is not designed for one on one combat. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well it is designed to be a support character. I've played fighters, mages, but not many clerics. I'm really looking forward to developing this charcter to heal all your wounds.

BUT LOOK OUT DRACOLICH! I will Heal you! LOL

Hehe,

To be hones, I'd figured I was going to lose anyway and it was a great excuse to retire Godisnak (the leaving in shame aspect)

Godinsak was a great character, lots of fun to RP, but he'd reached level 40 some time ago and it was time for him to move on.

This seemed like a good way to do it.

The whole idea of power gaming is quite distasteful to me. It's easy enough to spot when you see people taking about their "builds" as opposed to characters.

Characters are developed not built! [img]smile.gif[/img]

I feel so used now......

Bah, you love it, admit it! :D

I don't..I wanted to really defeat you, not be used into shaming a character, that is just so wrong.....you used me to gain an escape for your character, while making me believe you wanted to win.

Ta'rant is in retirement as well (he did enjoy a good beer with Godisnak). He to reached Level 40 and there isn't much left for him to do. I'm still waiting for Ta'rants brother to get to the yawning portal and the same with Narwens brother the Monk (hint to Ziroc please upload them to the server vault :D )

Narwen my scout is still going strong (even though she reached level 40 a few weeks ago). I still like to use her to scout out new places as she is almost impossible to see and is EXTREMLY hard to hit (anyone half the size of a halfling is going to be hard to hit)