My CD-ROM drive had problems reading it, probably because of that @#$% SafeDisc thing they put in - what a nightmare!! [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img]

About to play it now.

Hmm. Weird.
Good luck and enjoy the game [img]smile.gif[/img]

My copy wouldn't recognize my existing copy of NWN so I had to delete it and reload it than upgrade to 1.30 than load SoU what a pain.But its there now and just started playing..

John I do not understand what you mean by that your copy "My copy wouldn't recognize my existing copy of NWN so I had to delete it and reload". You realize that once you install SOU even if you are playing the NWN OC you would use the SOU cd for the play cd. Basically after you install SOU the three CDS that came with NWN can be locked in vault somewhere until you need to reinstall.

Granamere

Friggin SecureRom. Friggin Atari for putting on the disk. GRRRRRRRRR.

I feel your pain man, last summer I had to go 3 weeks w/o NWN til they released the patch that killed securerom. You would have think they learned by now.

And after all that the bugger doesn't work anyway. :mad:

I've called Atari here in OZ and they're going to send me a replacement disk...it just hangs when you try and start a new game, which is a common bug apparently. I tried to update my NVIDIA drivers but apparently the latest drivers aren't Windows XP Logo certified and Microsoft recommends you not install them - sounds a bit silly to me, why would you have a driver there which says "For Windows XP" if it's not Windows certified?? [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img]

Memnoch on the Nvidia drive thing. If you notice there is an WHQL certified driver and a not. The latest drivers are normally not MS certified because once Nvidia makes them they have to send them to MS to get them certified which takes time. Normally they will only certify major releases. What OS and card are you running?

On the replace disk issuse. If you are having a safedisk issuse I doubt the replcement cd will help. If I was in your boat and was trying to leagally fix this issue I would see if the maker of my cd-rom had a firmware update. Do you know who makes you cd-rom and the speed of it?

Granamere

[ 08-02-2003, 01:06 AM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

The "OZ" version of SOU basically, does not work lol. Ask Atari about this and they will send you a working copy.

It sort of half works but not really. I've already asked them to send me a copy.

Gran, I'm using a CDRW which is made by Sony, 40x/12x/48x.

One more thing on these NVIDIA drivers...apparently I have to uninstall my existing drivers before I can install this new one. Anyone know how to do this (I remember doing it for NWN but I've forgotten :D ).

Memnoch you should be able to remove the video drivers from Control panel > add remove programs. Also which Nvidia card are you running. If you are running a GeForce2 you should stick with the 38.X version of the drivers. The 4X.XX actually slow down refresh rates for the GeForce2 cards.

The sony CD rom updates are here http://sony.storagesupport.com/cdrw/index.htm .

Granamere

[ 08-02-2003, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

Once again windows XP has caused another gamer to go crazy.
I have the exact same sony CD-RW 40x/12x/48x and I had no problem what so ever, why you ask? Because I use windows 98SE on the computer I have all my games loaded in.
When the meat heads at Microsoft designed "XP", they spent so much time and effort making it so that the multi features were for Microsoft games for family fun, then they added business applications on top so that corporations would be interested. They didn't even consider other manufacturers that were using windows 98se to design their software and woulden't be able to play their games on the system with the new "XP".
I wish I could find the two page story that told of the more than 400 bugs that are in "XP". A couple of main things I do remember is that some systems have no troubles at all with windows "XP" as long as they have the 2.4Ghz microprocessor in them but that is still only the units that are configured and use the exact same componets that Microsofts test computers use.
I have a half dozen different computers in my home and Have tried "XP" pro in all of them (the $800.00 version with all the extras). In my business computer it is great and allows me to do everything I could ever want in Business But, I can't even get that computer system to read NWN or the Morrowind CD to load them.
I have another OEM custom built computer that Has exactly the same Mother board and Microprocessor except, I have my sony CD-RW (the one like yours)and a Sony 16xDVD/CD-ROM drive in it. Instead of "XP" I now have windows 98SE for my operating system in it and I never have any troubles except the normal ones that come with every new game befor the patches come out. Both computers have PENT 4/2.4Ghz microprocessors in them and they both have 2/120 GB hard drives, as far as I'm conserned the 98SE system has had less problems all the way around no matter what I do with them.
If I were you,I would remove the "XP" and reload it with windows "98SE" you'll have alot fewer problems.
The other thing you can do is add a second Hard Drive and install windows 98SE on it and have duel operating systems. Then install all your games in the 98se drive, if you need imfo on how to put both operating systems in one computer let me know and I get you the web page with all the instructions.

I admit XP can be a bitch but it's getting better. If you do use XP make sure to run updates frequently. They really do read those 'Send error reports' and if you are like me and actually send them you'll notice some bugs you reported are soon fixed. I experienced one blue screen bug with NWN's and XP and about 2 weeks later they released an XP patch which actually addressed this.

The current Nvidia drivers for Geforce 2 using XP speed up the framerate. The previous 4X.XX ones did not but this latest driver one works well and gave me an added 20 fps on my other Geforce 2 system.

SpiritWarrior what version of the Nvidia driver are you running? Because the 44.03 was where I and a couple friend had problems with the GeForce2. I could be wrong because it was a few months ago. 44.03 works great with my GeForce3 and 4 cards.

I am an Ex-MS employee and I will just say this and let it drop. 98 has been out for much longer than XP hence why it is much less buggy. Currently I am running XP on some systems and have been rather happy with it. Think about how difficult it is to program an OS for how many different types of hardware. Heck just think of how many different processors it has to support. And as always if you are not happy with what the program does for you do not buy anything more from that company. NWN does support Linux so it is an option. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thanks,
Granamere

[ 08-02-2003, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Granamere ]

Running with the 44.03 drivers for my Geforce 2. I'd been holding off on upgrading to any 4X.XX drivers due to their rep until a Biomod actually gave me the 'all clear' on them. I did so and it runs so much better, there was defo. an increase in fps, almost felt like my Geforce ti! :D

[ 08-02-2003, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ]

I will have to update my GeForce2 computer and see how it goes. Thanks!

Granamere

I've ended up having to call Atari and ask for a replacement disc to be sent out. Apparently a large proportion of the OZ shipment contained defective discs. :rolleyes: I've tried everything - ripping from the disc onto the drive and trying to install from there - there are three files that it can't rip - the language_data.zip (200MB), language_update.zip (30MB) and the setup.psp (9KB) file. And since the installation's buggered itself up I'll have to uninstall NWN and SOU since you can't just uninstall NWN. I've made backups of my userfolders but gee this is annoying!!! :mad:

What a pain the backside, Memsie! How long before you get the new disc, did they say? Seems like they should be making an effort to do something nice for the customers who got stuck with the bad dics!

Talk about a horror story! UGH!

Seems like Atari didn't learn their lesson about cheap cd's from the fiasco during NWN.

You're right Cloudy - Atari SHOULD do something. They won't - but they should.

Who friggen knows. :rolleyes:

As for Atari, first they tried to blame it on everyone's CD-ROM drives. It was only when EVERYONE started to complain that they admitted it was a bad batch of discs. Typical fingerpointing, avoidance of responsibility, and lack of customer service from Atari - no wonder they went bankrupt earlier on.

I can't even play NWN now btw - not unless I uninstall both, which I just can't be bothered to do at the moment. I'll do it all when they send me my disc.

This is the FIRST game I've bought where the bloke at the shop gave me Atari's number to call to have a replacement disc sent to me in case I had a problem even before I'd bought the game - obviously they'd been taking a lot of stick from unhappy customers. Apparently Atari were unwilling to send THEM the discs (obviously trying to save money on buying CDs. :mad: Oh, and I got my CD Key in a bit of red paper stuck in between the manual. :D :rolleyes:

Unprofessional...

That's how i got my first cd key, but on the second copy i bought, it was printed in the manual, which really freaked me out, they did something professional, lol. Some of you may remember my post about my server not being accessible, the first email i got back from atari said that i couldn't run my server, and connect to it. lmao, for a second or two, and then got really scared. This is the technical support, and they have no idea how their game even works. We are doomed.

Guess I'm not alone.My first copy,with the red paper didn't work.It wouldn't load so I returned it to wallmart.Than about a wk later got another from same store and it had the code in the manual.That one worked fine.But I also had to uninstall NWN and reload it with the new patch.Major pain in the ass.But it's all fine now..

Well, my Atari replacement disc arrived in the mail today and I managed to install it easily - so the problem *was* a faulty disc. All the hours I spent downloading drivers, ripping files to HD, trying to change configs - all to get a bloody faulty disc to work. :rolleyes:

Anyway, all sorted now and looking forward to playing this weekend. :D

I read alot of posts about this over at Bioware forum. Seems that ATARI didn't learn their lesson with NWN, where they later on released a patch with the CD detection software removed due to the problem it caused people trying to play the game.
Another notch for the pirates really. They have no problem with it as I have seen plenty of posts about people using no cd patches etc and you can probably find the game online if you surf around abit. For Geenieboy here though that bought the game ;) and ALOT of others.. Nope.

Bah, a game thats meant for online gaming should live on the serial number and registration so you can only play online if it is registered instead. Well MHO at least.

Good to hear that it solved itself man. Have fun!

Well, I finished the game in 4 days. Kind of went hardcore. :D

I thought this OC was much better than the NWN OC, though these games are really not for the OCs - they're for the toolset functionality and multiplayer. I like what they've done to the toolset, though I've been a bit out of touch with it all - have to remember what everything does again. :D