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Mordamir 02-07-2003 08:17 AM

Yeah, everyone knows how to gain points in Good and Evil....but I simply have no idea how to gain points in Law and Chaos....my character is chaotic good and heīs on chapter 2...his Chaos stats hasnīt changed at all (though he got 100 points on Good). Does anyone knows how to gain Chaos points?

Also, is there a patch or module that adds prestige classes to the game?

Thx...

Gabrielles blades 02-07-2003 08:47 AM

Ankh Morpork of Discworld is the only mod i know of to make changes to your law/chaos alignment

Micah Foehammer 02-07-2003 09:29 AM

All Things are Light by Orpheus will also change your alignment from lawful to chaotic, in fact it will do it for the ENTIRE party if you are in mplayer mode.

homer 02-07-2003 11:20 AM

As far as I could tell, there is no way to alter chaos/lawful in the original module. In my opinion there was not enough attention paid to this particular aspect of the game. It dose not make sense that a lawful good paladin can steal from an individuals home without an alignment repercussion; how lawful is that?

Micah Foehammer 02-07-2003 11:32 AM

homer is right. THere is nothing in the original game that will allow you to alter alignment from lawful to chaotic. only the good/evil alignment shifts are implemented.

Mordamir 02-07-2003 12:35 PM

Thatīs pretty weird...I mean, they created it and forget to add events that change Law\Chaos alignments...

What a flaw... :(

Micah Foehammer 02-07-2003 02:02 PM

The capability to change lawful/chaotic alignment exists in the toolset. Bioware just chose not to put those type of events in the OC. Hardly a flaw, just a design decision.

Dragonshadow 03-10-2003 08:35 AM

Just as well you can't, ny NG druid would be in troble: level 17

WOLFGIR 03-10-2003 08:38 AM

Yepp, agree with the last post here.

Many problems for Paladins, Monks, Druids and Barbarians.

Personally I donīt like the way you get goody two shoes points for doing quests just because the person you help is good. If I do it for the money I do it for the money. Bah.. Alignments are the biggest trouble and one of the basic things with D&D forever it seems... :S

koconnor100 03-10-2003 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mordamir:
Yeah, everyone knows how to gain points in Good and Evil....but I simply have no idea how to gain points in Law and Chaos....my character is chaotic good and heīs on chapter 2...his Chaos stats hasnīt changed at all (though he got 100 points on Good). Does anyone knows how to gain Chaos points?

Also, is there a patch or module that adds prestige classes to the game?

Thx...

the official campaign does nothing about the Lawful/Chaos situation, much to the embarrasment of many many Lawful Neutril Druids who turn Lawful Good after a few quests and suddenly discover they can't advance as a druid anymore....

The next release due in spring 2003 will have 5 prestige classes and a 60 hour campaign in it, along with more "content" (tiles, monsters, magic items, etc etc)

The problem with Lawful / Chaotic is that it can be argued that a theif is chaotic because he breaks the law. And it can be argued that he is lawful because he obeys the laws of his own little society. In effect, you have the same actions being judged as lawful in one case, or chaotic in another, and most people just don't want to deal with the issue at all.

Ilythiiri 09-06-2005 09:44 PM

I am very sure in SoU, you can. I played a Chaotic Good Fighter/Dwarven Defender. And in the very beginning of SoU, there are quite a number of houses that belonged to the peasants, that are locked, I don't have pick lock skills, therefore I bashed the door open, and guess what? I lose 1 point in Chaotic stats.. making me lean towards more Chaotic. So I guess that Chaotic = violence, therefore bashing up peoples' doors and stuff will shift you towards Chaotic.

[ 09-06-2005, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Ilythiiri ]

Zink Whistlefly 09-07-2005 04:49 AM

Ye Gods! This thread be an old one indeed!

The original discussion here (from 2003!) was regarding the original OC. Law/Chaos alignment changes were indeed implemented in SoU and HoTU.

Chaotic doesn't necessarily mean just being violent though - it mainly covers thievery in SoU, e.g. keeping Drogans items for yourself, and like you say breaking and entering other peoples locked property and stealing their possessions, but it also covers lying to people through conversation (whether you lie to protect someone, or just to lie to hurt people and amuse yourself is irrelevant when solely dealing with the law/chaos axis) or breaking your word to them (which again can be a good or evil action).


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