or longsword? it was 2-handed in Bg2.

<font color="gold">Definetly Greatsword. Because it is the sword that is most like the Two-Handed Sword in BG2. ;) </font>

Greatswords are GREAT! [img]smile.gif[/img] ))

Actually, I think its supposed to be a bastard sword.

<font color="gold">Nah, I doubt it is a Bastard Sword. It wasnt that in BG2 (but then the Bastards wasnt two-handed either), and it looks much more like a Greatsword. IMO.</font>

<font color="red">MAJOR SPOILER ABOUT ARIBETH: Do not read unless you have FINISHED Chapter 2 - 4</font>

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Well, Aribeth's sword is a Bastard sword. It's a Paladin's sword, appears to be a Holy Avenger, but is only usable by Lawful Evil. That's the closest that I've seen to one. I got it cause she wouldn't listen to me. Not because I wanted to attack her.

[ 08-22-2002, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: Tobbin ]

What do you mean lawful evil???
Aribeth is a paladin.
In later chapters she gives you her sword?? her sword is holy avenger or its just another sword?? dou you mean holy avenger is not great sword(2-handed) I'm confusued!!!!

Yes In the last chapter when you have kill work over that nausiating whinner
she drops a corrupted holy avenger( bastard sword)

I think there's more than one Holy Avenger Sword in the Realms. Carsomyr, the gigantic two-handed sword in BG2, was just one of them.

My apologies. I thought most everyone here knew the story of Aribeth. I should have marked it spoiler. If you have not gotten to that part of the story, I will leave well enough alone.

My apologies. I thought most everyone here knew the story of Aribeth. I should have marked it spoiler. If you have not gotten to that part of the story, I will leave well enough alone.</font>[/QUOTE]Tobbin, that's a pretty MAJOR spoiler, dude. I've edited your post. :(

Biggus spilers dude!!

Tobbin! I´m gonna bid a furball for your in the bid for IW members thread so we can go out and have too many bears! :D

Seriously, Holy Avenger in the PnP game used to be longswords, and if you dopn´t like it.. Edit it! :D

Damn, I´m going frantic if I can´t find that Aurora toolset book soon ;)

All the Holy Avenger ability in NWN does is give 1d6 Divine damage AFAIK. If you try and build Carsomyr the way it was built in BG2 nobody will ever be able to wield it - it will be Level 27 or something. ;)

All the Holy Avenger ability in NWN does is give 1d6 Divine damage AFAIK. If you try and build Carsomyr the way it was built in BG2 nobody will ever be able to wield it - it will be Level 27 or something. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Hehe, well apart from all my spelling errors in above post.. (sorry, head is tired, too hot and alot of other excuses) the level requirements is IMHO crap in the light of PnP but probably a good thing versus Munchkin players online.

The thing is I think at least that if you have the true character line edited in the NWN.ini file you can use items regardless of this level check.. Tada! :D ;)

Well, some item s are incredibly strong, whereas others are very good, but also very very weak. I mean the colak that gives a +1/5 soak damage and protection.. How many monsters at CR7 can hurt you plentifully any way?? And it takes away most of your hard earned money...

Actually, I created the Holy Avenger sword in NWN, and yes, no one can wield it, it's level will be 47. Well, depending on what dispell you use there, that is, Dispell or Greater Dispell. At least I tried to make it as exact as possible, had the desc open when creating it :D

As for weapon type, then Carsomyr +5 is no doubtedly a Greatsword. Simply in NWN the smaller races use bastard swords as 2H swords. Sure, Aribeth was an elf, and elves are marked as "medium" race, but in the game elves seem to use bastard swords as 2H ones.

For fun and giggles I created few BG2 weapons, and scattered them throughout the game, as loot from big mobs or additional quest rewards of harder quests. Most of BG2 weapons, even in NWN, had totally reasonable level requirements (lvl 13-20) and thus were quite useable. I simply didn't like how some weapons looked in NWN, and also missed some weapons, which became dear for me in BG2 :D

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I didn't kill her to get her weapon. The thing I liked to do throughout the game was to disarm the opponent (Improved Disarm) and then beat the lights out of them with their own weapons. It's fun to disarm them, pick up their weapon and then go into Parry mode. Then, when they attack me and I Riposte, they get a taste of their own weapon. Eh, fun heheh.. But I am - at times - a reasonable person, and did not kill all the opponents. You can make deals sometimes :D Was a funny fight, for example, with Meldanen. Sounds were like:

Meldanen attacks: *screams* Rrargh!
Me: Parry *clang*
Me: Riposte *smack!*
Meldanen: *screams* Oww!

Me: *Attack Of Opportunity* *smack!*
Meldanen: *screams* Owie!

Meldanen attacks: *screams* Aargh!
Me: Parry *clang*
Me: Riposte *smack!*
Meldanen: *screams* Ouch!

Quite a cacophony heheh.. Oh well, I love Parry.

Hımmmm so aribeth's sword is not the "real" holy avenger right? Holy avenger was +5 sword %50 magic res. dispel magic every hit +10 additional damage to chaotic evil opponents. what about this divine damage only 1d6??

I'M focusing,specializing on longsword and great sword. maybe I should go with great sword and bastard sword??

This is one of the main reasons it was implemented. That, and the possibility that if someone ended up with a vorpal blade or Staff of Power at 3rd level it might unbalance the game a bit. ;)

This is fine for singleplayer. Another thing you can do, if you want to play singleplayer using the MP Client, is to switch off the Item Level Restrictions for your server, which will allow you to use items regardless of level. But don't expect to be able to use them in many of the online games people have (except for the munchkin PvP ones which switch this option off, where victory is determined by how powerful a weapon you can put together). ;)

Well the reason I found this out was because before I went to holliday, I changed my INI file and have never reflected about this when I saw tha level limit and thought.. What the heck I´m not supposed to be able to use this but well.. thoose nasty Mummies are sure gonna get their wrapped booties whacked hard...

And so I never reflected upon it until I tried an amulette that I call Vampires gift which is not too powerful, costs around 5k gold and gives you some minor help, but gives for instance a fighter the use of vampiric touch and darkness once per day, a +1 to charisma and +1 to persuade. The thing is that the level requirement on this one was like er level 5 or something, whereas my munchkin sword that was left in a chest in my mod had level 23 ;) *whistels* and I could use both with a level 1 guy..

Well well. Tough to balance the items since the restrictions isn´t really doing anything for the total magic in the item, which makes a big difference from the PnP rules. Well I will soon get the hang of it! :D

I do have tons of small items that is good and not overbalanced, just to add a once per day use of something can be really worth it for your character, like a cloak of shadows, +5 to hide and move silently and use of ultravision and darkness once per day.. ;)

Can't make a magic item a plot item, and that way the level limit wasn't applied to it?

Not anymore...that loophole was closed in patch 1.20, thank heavens. ;)

Keep in mind that if you switch item level requirements OFF, you can use any item as long as you play either singleplayer or multi on your own server. Nothing wrong with people creating high-level items for their own use on their server or their SP game, but I would think that most server hosts (and fellow multiplayers) would not appreciate some player bringing in a local character with a Level 47 plot item greatsword. ;)

Most server hosts now change the default OnEnter script to strip any plot items from PCs, which mean that even if you have a "legit" plot item like the Amulet of the Red Tiger from the Official Campaign, or something as innocuous as a key - it will either strip this from you or prevent you from connecting.

[ 08-22-2002, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

I'm sorry I just want an answer for my question [img]smile.gif[/img] )

I'M focusing,specializing on longsword and great sword. maybe I should go with great sword and bastard sword?? or is it a waste?

Sorry dude...your question took on a life of its own. ;)

I thought Wolfgir and Sir Exxon answered your question anyway, but to specifically reply to it - the classical 3rd Ed PnP Holy Avenger is a longsword, as paladins would fight with it and a shield in the other hand. Carsomyr from BG2 is a greatsword. You can give any item Holy Avenger properties using the toolset - you can have a Holy Avenger Greataxe if you want.

As Tobbin has spoiled above, Aribeth's sword has Holy Avenger properties, meaning it gives 1d6 Divine damage. That's all the Holy Avenger property does AFAIK. And Aribeth's sword has alignment restrictions anyway, so unless you're planning to be a blackguard (evil paladin which is not an available char class anyway) you won't be able to use it. Hope this helps. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thank you memnoch I got it [img]smile.gif[/img]

Aribeth's sword is bastard sword but not useful for me because I'm lawful good
There's other paladin swords. Holy avenger is a longsword. Well, there left only one question mark in my mind. I dont know about other magical swords in NWN. For example, if somebody asks me which weapon to specialize in BG2? I reply him 2-handed sword for BG2 and bastard swords for ToB. I'll specalize in great sword for NWN. but also I like to focus/imp cri/spec in another weapon type too (to use with shield) I'm undecided between longswords & bastard swords. I dont want to be regretful when I found a super bastard sword. which one you prefer longsword or bastard swords? which one is more often more powerful?

Holy Avenger.
In the hands of any character other than a Paladin!!, this sword performs as a +2 longsword. In the hands of a Paladin, this holy (+1d6 ((obs, edited in an errata to 2D6!!)) points of bonus holy damage against evil creatures) becomes a +5 longsword., creates a spell resistance of 15 in a 5-foot radius, and casts dispel magic (usable every round as a standard action) in a 5 foot radius at the class level of the Paladin. (Only the area dispel is possible, not the targeted dispel or counterspell version of dispel magic.)
Market Price: 120315 GP.

Well thats the one from DMG at least, for the in game version, I don´t know if there is any other then Aribeths...

For the sake of argument the HOLY ability adds 2D6 of damage, hence the errata and stupid that people haven´t changed it, and Wizard is known for not being updated on their on errata´s ;) VERY KNOWN! Just check the forums over there hehehe..

Oh god please somebody answer my question :( (((

bastard sword or longsword ..

Oki. Well well, as said, I don´t think you will find a holy avenger in the game easily.. So with that in mind.

I know there is swords up to +3 in the game, and some special swords. Bastardswords being one of them. The good thing with taking the bastard sword is that you can use all the exotic weapons in the game, and the katana that adds +1D6 of damage vs evil characters.

Cons, you loose one feat, and you get no special weapon to upgrade from chapter one and the only +1 bastard sword to buy in the game I think is in the Docks area.

That is as much as I know right now. I haven´t finished the game since I´m still experimenting with characters teying to find the best solution to be able to play my "style" of game.. ;) And it´s so fun to play barbarian I noticed! :D

Bastard swords, I believe, on average, do a little better. It really all comes down to player style though. Even saying that, based on other servers, I would still recommend bastard sword. There are more available than there are long swords.

Zoltan, there are enough good bastard swords and good longswords that you will not miss out on anything super-powerful if you go one way or the other. There are no "outstandingly-good" weapons where focussing on a weapon will give you that much of an advantage. Like asking which is better, an Audi A4 or BMW 318 - there's enough of both out there, you won't be disadvantaged by going either way.

To put you out of your misery, go the longsword route. ;)

If you go with the longsword you can save the a feat for lightning reflexes and avoid 50% of damage from all the nasty area effects.. ;)

You want that when people start casting bladebarrier! :D

thanks everybody! I'll go with longsword+shield & greatsword. For the remaining 1 feat, I'll go with thoughness or lightnin reflex.

Also iron will sounds good too. because mind-affecting spells are always more dealy. A fireball cant kill you but a psionic attack, confuse, domination spell will kill your character instantly. Lightnin reflex may be useful for breath weapons etc.
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