finnese any suggestions?

If you're taking it into SoA, Bard->Blade.

Pyrenk if he were talking SoA this would have been posted in the SoA forum.

Fighter/Mage, Fighter/Mage/Thief, Fighter/Thief. These are all finesse classes, though they are multiclasses. I think that the fighter/mage/thief is the best in terms of finesse fighting, little to no armor, the use of blades and he can magically buff himself...just my opinion too.

Bards are good, but they're not really finesse fighters, though they can be in BG2. All my BG1 bards tend to use missile weapons frequently.

Firestorm, if he's starting in BGI, why would it be at the BGII forum? ;)

Just make an regular human fighter and put 18 in hes dex,str and con 2 stars in bow and long sword, give him Neutral Good Aligment and call him TyranyuS and u got a winner-boy!!! [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

I thank you for the suggestion but that combo is so so.....typical.

It is in the far and advanced modern world called proficiencies, not stars [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Depends on what you mean by finesse. Do you want an uber-leet killing machine, or seldom-played class, or what?

Finesse=style=Blade.

The "uber-leet killing machine" is generally the opposite of finesse. A fighter with 25 in Str/Dex/Con, -20 AC, (what's the max?) -20 THAC0, etc. is an uber-leet killing machine, but has no style. Slash, opponent dies, slash next, opponent dies, etc. Essentially Diablo...which you know has no style ;)

And why not a multiclass...a fighter/mage has the finesse of a learned man, and a fighter/thief has the finesse of the shadows. They aren't encumbered by large armour, and can wield a blade. In fact, isn't a fighter/mage/thief like this too. Although you could argue that a blade is similar, he can't get the full potential out of his weapons, as magic and backstab can. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Not that I don't like blades, just that, especially in BG1, bards AREN'T finesse fighters. Gets fixed in BG2, but in BG1, bards, pardon my French, suck. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I might try a fighter/mage/theif since all of the classes are my top favorites. Yeah.......and he is proficent with dagger throwing daggers. And uses no shield at all (Shields look so uncool.) And when is forced to confront in melee combat uses his primary weapon....a longsword! I have it

My tactics would be this. I would always remember invisbilty spells. Before I attack an enemy and I hide in the shadows and backstab their arse and when they turn around I'll be invisible with a spell. Get far away cast spells from a distance and throw daggers in between and go fight up close when neccecary YEAH. What do you guys think?

Moosy, you don't seem to understand. Power has nothing to do with finesse. Finesse is style; a Fighter just standing in one place, slashing away with his greatsword, has no finesse. Getting the full potential out of weapons/magic etc. doesn't make somebody a finesse fighter, it makes them skilled with one or the other.

-I love missle weapons, but not daggers as much as darts or axes. There are some pretty nifty darts out there, and a few great axes (Azure Edge for undead, K'logorath for anything else). For daggers, you only have the Poisoned, Regular, and Firetooth varieties...for darts, you have the Darts of Stunning, Wounding, the Crimson Dart, the Asp's nest (limited, but excellent when used against the right target), and the standard +1, +5, etc. What saves the Daggers is that you can use regular daggers in melee while being proficient [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dart's and axes? Nah axes I say is fer dwarves. Darts are for.........well still I still think knvives would be cooler! Something like Jarlaxle does.
But I will still take darts into consideration.

P.S. Salvatore says that Jarlaxe throws a whole lot of daggers in a short time. Wouldn't his hands be full by carrying 8 or 6 daggers? Or mayhap I misread something.

A finesse fighter has little use for armor, and can use various tactics OTHER than brute strength to beat his opponents. I would say that using mirror image qualifies as a tactic other than brute force, for example. And you can also roleplay backstab as being a critically accurate strike. Using the shadows and magic qualifies him as being a finesse fighter IMHO. Though kits in BG2 (most notably swashbuckler and blade) are finesse fighters, thieves and bards are NOT in BG1. And besides, isn't a blade basically a fighter/mage/thief anyway, with some extra flashiness? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Yes, that's the point. He has style [img]smile.gif[/img]

IMO a finesse fighter is a fighter that does not get hit by his enemy. A finesse fighter does not need to have a high amount of HP. What he needs is:

-Good AC (without wearing heavy armour)
-Good tactics
-Spells that will lower his AC
-Spells/abilities that will make the enemy having a hard time to hit him (blur, mirror image etc.)
-Items/spells/potions that gives better saving throws.
-Items/spells/potions that makes him imune to mind influencing spells (such as charm etc.).

In BG1 a fighter/mage/thief would be perfect :D

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Insane

Finesse does not ONLY mean that you don't get hit -.-

[ 08-27-2003, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

Finesse is not:

You hit me - I hit you - Me win 'cause me more tough than you

either.

For me finesse is the ability to avoid getting hit, either by tactics, by nimbleness=high DEX (is that a word?) or both combined. At the same time you must be able to hit your enemy with an effective blow, not just a mighty blow (it is like cutting of the belt button of an opponent compared to a titans club smashing through an opponents armour).

Well that is my opinion.

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Insane

How about a mage thief?

Shadowy AND full of magicalness. To improve the shadowlyness make a gnome illusionist thief!

Just my two cents....


Moiraine Sedai

Finesse is not:

You hit me - I hit you - Me win 'cause me more tough than you

either.

For me finesse is the ability to avoid getting hit, either by tactics, by nimbleness=high DEX (is that a word?) or both combined. At the same time you must be able to hit your enemy with an effective blow, not just a mighty blow (it is like cutting of the belt button of an opponent compared to a titans club smashing through an opponents armour).

Well that is my opinion.

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Insane </font>[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I meant, I just phrased it incorrectly. Check the post again.

[ 08-27-2003, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

I think we agree :D :D :D

Actually, right now I am playing a (roll of drums) fighter/mage/thief. I am using the DSotSC and the Harder MODs. I used to reload a lot. Now I am using more 'finesse' :D

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Insane

And I can't decide on a Specialist to solo...probably Conjuror.

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[ 08-27-2003, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: True_Moose ]