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What`s next will Warcraft III be boring to like NWN? OMG i got the NWN game yesterday i played 1/2 houer or was it 15 minutes before the game was OFF my computer! :( ha but the grapich was nice that`s all for me somone in Norway that will buy it from me? Only mail me or reply here!
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You should give it a bit more of a chance my friend [img]smile.gif[/img] Have you tried out the multiplayer aspect or how about getting a bunch of your mates and DMing a game?
If you'd prefer the single player side of things and don't like the included campaign then there are already a few good mods out there on the www. Just out of curiousity, what was it that you found so boring? Lack of combat? too much combat? too much storyline? didn't like the storyline? |
yeah I agree with him.. it's really boring..to much tutorials in the beginning..but once out of the academy it starts to getsome class..and now I really love it!!!
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<font color=pink>The tutorial are for people who have never played D&D and arent familiar with the controls, so theyre neccecary, you dont have to do them if you dont want.
For the life of me, i can't find what is so boring about this game! I havnt gotten bored once! Only frustrated and the cpu for being slow [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font> |
I feel your pain Norway, I like you was disenchanted with NWN for the first few hours but like everyone else I came to be totally hooked. The game really comes to life about 3/4's of the way through chapter 1 and by chapter 2 you don't want to get off. There's so many things about this game, you gota give it the chance it deservers. I guarantee you will change your opinion.
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every time i start a new game i always go thru the tutorial. it gives you easy xp and you are lvl 3 by the time you leave so it makes it easier when you get out into the real world.that and i can usually leave the tutorial with about 2000 gold to work with.
and warcraft 3 is pretty good, not as good as its successor starcraft, but i got to meet the development team of blizzard the other day where i work. they where having a promotional setup where i work,they where trying to sell warcraft.they said starcraft will be out in 2 years after the money made on warcraft 2 has been made.once starcraft2 comes out ill be there. |
I found the narrators voice MAJORLY disappointing, and the selection of male PC voices very samish. All agro tenor voices. No variety. I also see the portraits as unrelatable ugly cartoons. :(
Then, I find the views frustrating after experiencing Morrowinds and BG2s. I'm always wanting to see just that little bit ahead.... AAARRRGG! Drive cam is better than top down, but the 'camera' is always swinging wildy then! All the feats and skills I find confusing, and remind me of the gen X phenomena "Options paralysis." (So many options you choose none) The multiclassing options leave room for "unbelievable" characters (a Monk/archer?) And I miss, the old Clerics blunt weapons, and the old thief subclasses. But what is with the racist "Gypsie" character. It basically reinforces the old stereotype that Gypsies are theives. What next? Jews that are stingy, or Germans that are rigid? How racist? I won't be surprised if a Romanie (modern day Gypsie) sues them over it. Seriously. Finally the plots not really getting me in. All a bit... juvenile.. to use a strongish word. HOWEVER. on the plus side, the graphics are amazing, and the soundscapes are pretty cool. The detail in movement is excellent. I love the way the combat works, and the graphics of movement with it. Arrows fly well, hit and miss looks great. I'm sure I'll get into it more, and even get used to the one henchman bit which blew my mind. At least I can focus on one character. Only prob is, one of my favs the Bard, is not supposed to be great if you play solo.... Oh well. [img]smile.gif[/img] It's only a game. I'm still going to play the heck out of it. :D |
The female voices are a bit disappointing as well. Again all very angry and butch. Even the innocent idealist voice is harsh. But I do like the female portraits; there are lots of pretty ones. The male ones are less good, though.
And I agree, Yorick, about the skills and feats smorgasboard! I am so confused, I used a package for my ranger because I had no idea what skills to pick, but then levelling up was so difficult again :( . A little too complicated I think. Also the camera modes are tricky, I don't like top down because moving the camera manually is too much effort, but chase cam which I use sometimes swings a bit too much. However despite that I like it a lot! Haven't got very far but so far so good [img]smile.gif[/img] . I like that your abilities are kind of sucky to start, but you can improve them later on. Also I like the fact that, unlike BGII when you had to play through the deathly dull dungeon everytime at the beginning, you can bypass the tutorial after your first time through. A great addition [img]smile.gif[/img] |
yeah the game is pretty boring, the graphic doesn't look good ( dungeon siege was nicer ), combat is extremely slow ( I like d2 fast and furious combat speed ). not much thing to do in the game except be an office boy to do errand for others.
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<font color=pink>Youre comparing D2 to NWN? But how...theyre totally different games....*scratches head* Well D2 was made for the loot anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>
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Dungeon Siege put me to sleep...I'd rather do real work then play that game. NWN at leasts asks for attention once in awhile and I don't feel as if I could put my character on 'auto' and have the game finish itself.
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Yorick, yes you reminded me of a lot of things that were bugging me..
ie; Clerics NOT being able to use Warhammers, (She has "simple" weapon skill), yet my cleric CAN use a crossbow!? AND a spear?? -Leveling feels to "easy" i am level 10 already and i have only just started chapter two? -The combinations are odd, monk/archer yes and i wonder if such combinations as Druid/thief or a gnome monk are available- but think about it, Lara Croft was somewhat of a gun-yeilding monk... g) -What is this about an evil gypsy?? is this the title they give to some evil class combination? I know i started my cleric at True Neutral and she had a faction title of "Reconciler" or some such.. yet my faction moved ONE point and i lost the title. Then of course there are the major disapointments such as one-limit henchman, limited Henchman control, kamikaze henchman running off into rooms ahead... and then that headache-inducing spinning screen!! i think i settled for top-down , i know that drive mode was TOO sea-sickening. Last gripe- i think ALL the "noble" houses look exactly the same inside- the same tile, floors, etc yick. All the peasant houses loook exactly the same, and there are only like 2 or 3 kinds of dungeon "decors" it becomes a blur after a while, nothing noteworthy to rememeber them by ... |
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Megabot: you didnt give it enough time, you couldn't even have gotten out of the prelude yet!
thanks to the few defenders of NWN in this post, there are too many negative comments gathered in one topic! stop it stop it stop it! [img]tongue.gif[/img] the camera doesnt bother me at all, i like it...i use the top down. and if you think a class combination is absurd, dont use it! let others have their fun, not everyone is a roleplayer...too many complaints to reply to, aaaaargh! |
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But but maby i shall give it a trie later when i have finished Morrowind because i dont have any other games to play, or maby i play Wizardry 8 one more time :D So guys maby 95% of you like the game but it seems to me that i am in the 5% who not like it, sorry about that! :( |
Well I wonder what's up with my PC when the movies set in.. everything is choppy and it is ripping me off... grrr...
Anyways, I love NWN graphics, like Yorick said, the combat is great... I keep on zooming in on them and I forget they are others pestering Sharwyn... hehehe talk about neglect. I agree the voices lack variety! I mean come on...the guys were all mad... the girls too... nothing new so to speak... I don't yet about the evil gypsy, but then I like NWN a lot.. the plot was new to me... and it is very catchy... nevertheless thisi game is waaays better than DS! :D I miss Diablo though... and some other games... wehehehehe [img]smile.gif[/img] |
I think a lot of "problems" with NWN expressed on here could be solved with 3 things.
1. Patience 2. Reading the manual cover to cover, especially if you don't know much about the DnD 3rd Edition rules 3. Go slowly through the Prelude Tutorial regardless of your CRPG experience Remember : Too much MTV and Diablo causes ADD. ;) [ 07-06-2002, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Medieval Dead ] |
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Besides 1. Allocated it already 2.Done 3.Done twice. Doesn't change the voice overs.... or the plot..... or anything else. :D |
And i hate to "read" a lot before playing the manual is to big to read all in it and it dont ansver the things i wodering about about the game like how to "quik save" and so on!
But play on guys i still dont even bother to install it again! ps: one nice thing is the "intro movie" it was great! :D |
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But but maby i shall give it a trie later when i have finished Morrowind because i dont have any other games to play, or maby i play Wizardry 8 one more time :D So guys maby 95% of you like the game but it seems to me that i am in the 5% who not like it, sorry about that! :( </font>[/QUOTE]lol...you cant take the 93 seconds (including running to the designated area) that it takes to complete the training? if you dont like boring tutorials, say "i dont need a tutorial, just let me take my final test" and youre almost done! itll take you another 15 seconds after that to complete the test, for ANY class. then you go through the door with the guard at the end of the hall and you get to start killing things. i cant believe you didnt even play that far! give it another chance [img]smile.gif[/img] |
man alot of bitching going on here i see. yorick a race issue also.damn.shouldd have disney been sued for portraying gypsies as thiefs?does a tall black man not play basketball? not professionally maybe but im willing to bet he does play.they find a new way to play the game out and we hear bitching.OMG the game is so difficult i cant find my way out of the prelude. im to impatient.
the voices also. theres more voices here then in BG2. besides in BG2 they didnt really talk, you just went into battle and rrrraaggggghhhhhhhhhh. they now have a whole list of cammonds you can say and everything.not to mention they are all barbaric sounding voices.*bust out lispy gay voice* umm excuse me boys why must we all be fighting here. cant we all just get along. how bout i buy you a mochacinno. would that voice make you happy? go play the mindless D2 or better yet see you get your butt rearanged trying to play something like counterstrike or unreal tournament. you play this game for its uniqueness not how well or evenly matched it was to its predicessor.how can you compare a game to another when its based on totally different rules and style.. oh and quicksave key is "g" |
I love the game, even if it's not as involved a story as BGII, my favorite. I think that Arabeth and Sharwyn are interesting characters, so I am roleplaying the whole thing. For the record, I love the combat and HATE Diablo.
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Thief prowess, having a voice you feel represents your character is very important to roleplaying.
You've highlighted they are all aggro, I've highlighted that as a complaint. Where is the old mage? The cynical coolheaded dude? The funloving Bard? Simmeringly angry Ranger, death threatening whispering assassin, nonchalant Knight? It's not hard. Voice over people are everywhere. It's just bad decisionmaking on the creators part. Secondly, with the race issue you're talking about a NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE. African Americans playing basketball is not a negative stareotype. Gypsies being thieves are. The option to play a Gypsie should fall under RACE not CLASS, where it's class is a rogue/thief. A Gypsie could be a Bard, an Acrobat, an Illusionist, a Merchant, a Craftsman, or a thief. These guys have labelled them as a thief subclass! I'm sorry, it's just not good. |
Yorick, aren't they Rogues, not Thieves? But, still, you're right it is a negative stereotype. Maybe they put it in hoping someone would make a fuss and give them free publicity.
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Or getting behind the wheel of a car, driving for 20 metres in a straight line in second gear, then saying that the car doesn't handle well. :rolleyes: Assuming you're old enough to drive, that is. :D [ 07-06-2002, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] |
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I once did a topic about mua not liking NwN. Like everything, it needed time to understand and like. the feats and skills seemed helluva complicated at first but later i started undersanding them. What is all this nonsense about Gypsie thieves!? i didn`t notice anything! are you talking about the portraits? |
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i love NwN [img]smile.gif[/img] . though im still at chapter 1 and havent gone anywhere.. |
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I do like the emote thingy but. I like the belly laugh you can do [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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there is a whole different set of servers for roleplaying only, if you dont like powergamers. and i dont see how having a 6 class character would be considered powergaming because they would never get the better class feats, and ultimately suck, which is the opposite of what a powergamer wants [img]smile.gif[/img] about your complaints about the voices...uhh....*shrug* ... but you shouldnt let something as trivial as that to affect your opinion of the game. i hardly ever hear my character talk anyway. |
Actually, I've grown fond of the game (though I still think it has its bad points, like only one henchman and not being able to give the henchman items). I do notice that you level up rather quickly as compared to the pnp game, but that is more to give that satisfaction of advancing in the game.
For me, I was playing the pnp game before this game came out, so for me the feat and skill systems were not hard at all. However, for a new player, especially one who likes to just dive right in, it can be really confusing. The new system is designed around maximum flexibility in building your character; as in most cases, the more options you give the more complex it becomes. My recommendation is to sit down with the manual and a piece of paper, and come up with a character concept (elven archer, dwarven warrior wielding battleaxe, human sorcerer mostly wielding offensive magic, etc.). After you have a general idea what you want to play, page through the skills and feats, picking out the ones that make sense for the type of character you are playing. For example, if you want to be an elven archer, feats like Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus (Longbow), and the like make a lot of sense. Once you figure out what to take, then figure out when you get feats (usually at first and every third level) and figure out in what order you want to take them. Do the same for skills (what skills do I want to work on for this character?). You can always change your mind later, but at least this gives you a conceptual framework to work with. It also increases your involvement with the character right from the beginning, which will help increase the entertaiment value of the game. |
just a note about the gypsy point. I personally don't feel that this is a race issue think it was focusing more on the nomadic aspect of the character you may want to play...if i remember right there was no mention of the romany people.Also if you decide to play as a rogue can't your allinment be lawfully good?.....can't see how this is a negative thing....remember this is a rogue not a thief.....the mental picture thowen up by the two words are different....a rogue to me always reminds me of the old swashbuckling errol flynn movies which incidently are magic the rogue would be to me like a robin hood type....whereas a thief would be some one who just steals for themselfs...without any thought to whom they were stealing from.
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ok gypsies are rogue stereotype. orcs are dumb. paladins are lawful good. and on and on and on.there could be dumb elfs or humans but theyve stereotyped the orcs as being the stupid ones. calling all orcs time to break out the law.youve been branded stupid.it a game a fantasy its not real its like religion you have to believe in it to make it worth following.lets have someone make a mod game where everyone is all fallen palis just to see which one can wreak the most havoc in the campaign.break the norm.give the ranger a freakin great axe or something. lighten up its a game. to play the game and say OMG they have stereotyped the gypsy.
someone isnt being openminded to the actual whole game.i know im getting a little outta hand here but dont judge the game based on one stupid little thing.base it on actually playing it all the way thru. give it its strong points and its weak points then weigh it out. when i first got the game i was confused cause it was nothing like BG2 and i didnt like it for that. but then i started playing the game(you know past the prologue) and i really started to enjoy the games uniqueness. |
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[ 07-06-2002, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: Megabot ] |
im sorry that last line that megabot posted sounded like it came from a 10 year old.
if so pong is on the atari coleco setup go play that maybe more to your liking and level |
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I apologize to Memnoch an Ziroc for this "minimodding" but I felt it had to be said [img]smile.gif[/img] Megabot, I'm glad you tried it again and I'm sorry that you feel ripped off. The only thing I can think of is that if you don't have the english version of the game that maybe some of the storyline is lost in the translation? |
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1.Orcs don't exist 2.Elves don't exist 3.A Palladin is a fictional PROFESSION not race. 4.Gypsies, or Romanies as they are being renamed, are REAL PEOPLE. NO DIFFERENT TO JEWS OR GERMANS OR AMERICANS OR CELTS OR ZULUS. As such to label them as a mere character CLASS (not race) that emphasises thieving skills is racist. Pure and simple. [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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