Hmmm i wonder whos the strongest.Drizzt,Saerovak,Belt?

He is stronger. At least what Salvatore says.

Thats a tough one. I'd say Sarevok. He does just about the same damage as Drizzt but one big advantage is that he has TONS of hitpoints.

Belt then?

Sarevok has to hit Drizzt first... Which he will have a hard time doing...

Stronger???

Saerovak, definately

Agile, and faster ????

Drizzt, by far, I don't see Drizzt has someone who can carry a ton of weight. In other words there are tons of fighters stonger than Drizzt but being super strong isn't much good when you are a clumsy oaf.

Better Fighter????

Drizzt

[ 08-05-2003, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

Edit: Sarevok vs. Drizzt

Sarevok won.

I used the cheat to load up a defending Drizzt, and a cheat to create a Sarevok, while quickly running back so Sarevok would pick Drizzt as a target. They went at it, both scoring hits quite frequently on each other. Finally, Sarevok must have done good damage as Drizzt exploded into many many many pieces of gore and flesh.

Instead of running the test again, I loaded up another Drizzt to analyze the margin of winning. 3-4 hits in from Drizzt and sarevok went down. So Sarevok wins, but not by much.

Edit: Belt vs. Drizzt. Drizzt won by far. So, it looks like Belt, Drizzt, Sarevok in increasing "betterness". Enjoy. But I wonder how Belt fares against Sarevok? Probably terribly. Indeed, he lasted a little while, but not long enough. Maybe enough to give Drizzt+Belt vs. Sarevok an edge. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 08-05-2003, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: TheVulcanAndroid ]

excuse my ignorance... but who is Belt?
And does Drizzt have any good items on him?
I hate to kill Drizzt but hey, if the items are good enough i can just re-export them into another game. No harm there right? :D

Erm. I guess if you want to powergame it is your loss. :\

He has a Chainmail +4, a Scimitar +3 - Frostbrand, a Scimitar +5 - Defender.

Defender is actually a +3 weapon as far as attacking is concerned, but benefits from a wonderful -2 AC bonus.

I always like those 'statistical' arguments with only one sample [img]smile.gif[/img] . I would be more convinced if I knew the result of 10 'matches'. I have never heard of anyone (a player with his party of NPC's) that won over Drizzt, without using an 'I can reach you, but you cannot reach me' -cheat.

Could you try to give Drizzt a revance match (or 10)?

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Personally, I don't know how you EVER managed to get Sarevok to beat Drizzt. In-game, I have NEVER heard anyone claiming to have beat Drizzt by any method other than taking advantage of the game's poor AI (oh, wait...I must correct myself....there was that one guy who claimed to have killed Drizzt in a fair fight, using only his four-person Level 2 party....right). He is, for all intents and purposes, unbeatable in standard BG1.

Sarevok, on the other hand, is pretty much a pushover. On one of my games, I managed to whack his goons without even scratching Sarevok himself, so I set up a nice little duel: My main character (Tank) drank every buffing potion under the sun (no spells), and took Sarevok mano a mano. He had over halp his HP left when Sarevok hit the floor. If I'd tried that with Drizzt, I'd have lasted about 9 seconds.

Well, they both went into attack mode at the same time. :|

Perhaps their actual stats would be helpful, but I don't have any fancy schmancy tools to check on those. I'll certainly run more trials, since 3-4 hits isn't a large margin for Sarevok to have won by. They both seemed to be scoring hits without problem, though, so perhaps Sarevok has a nice enough THAC0 to hit Drizzt (who is wearing "only" +4 chainmail and +3/2 Scimitar (or does he use the frostbrand unless it's pocketed from him???)) but not a PC with -12 (or -13) and numerous buffs.
And perhaps he's doing enough damage to beat Drizzt's damage by a small margin. Drizzt on the other hand might have an extremely low THAC0, but not with enough damage to quite get Sarevok before he is defeated? Maybe the cheat created Drizzt has different stats (though Sarevok is spawned like he is supposed to spawn in game).

And other than mass summoning I haven't heard of anyone whacking Drizzt either. At least, legitimately.

Edit: Grammar mistake.

[ 08-06-2003, 03:11 AM: Message edited by: TheVulcanAndroid ]

Ok.

10 Rematches.

Drizzt.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok. :(
Sarevok.
Drizzt.
Sarevok.
Sarevok (this time he even decided to go for me right off instead of Drizzt, who scored a few hits in).

So it seems that Drizzt gets WAY more hits in, but Sarevok's damage is the mustard cutter.

Still, I would like to see the stats to check my hypothesis out.

Did you read Belt is the flaming fist general and hes lvl 19 fighter and kills me easy as hell

Belt isn't the Flaming Fist general, that's another one (forgot his name this moment) but he's the one that sends you to Candlekeep. I would say though, that Belt would be thrashed by Saervok because you have to have a battle, in which you try and keep two of the dukes alive whilst Saervok is attacking them. I would have said that Drizzt is better than Saervok though.

I beat him once legitimately, with a sneaky tactic: Throwing Axe +2, stockpiled potions of invisibility, and Boots of Speed. [img]smile.gif[/img] Long, arduous, and boring, but it worked. It was a ranger, if you were wondering.

Belt isn't the Flaming Fist general, that's another one (forgot his name this moment) but he's the one that sends you to Candlekeep. I would say though, that Belt would be thrashed by Saervok because you have to have a battle, in which you try and keep two of the dukes alive whilst Saervok is attacking them. I would have said that Drizzt is better than Saervok though. </font>[/QUOTE]Duke Eltan is the flaming fist general, but all four should be of roughly the same power. Remember that neither of the dukes present at that battle are in anything approaching the gear they would use normaly. If those characters exist in any of the books they will be around the same strength as Eltan. The BG version is balanced for plot demands.

Stats:

Belt:

Level 11 Human Fighter

STR:17
DEX:12
CON:16
INT:12
WIS:15
CHA:15

102 HP, carries a Bastard Sword +1, Chain +1, Medium Shield +1. Grandmastery in Large Swords, 40% physical resistance.

Sarevok:

Lvl 15 Human Sarevok. (He has his own specific class. Probably a beefed up fighter)

STR:18/100
DEX:18
CON:17
INT:14
WIS:12
CHA:13

300HP, carries the Helm of Sarevok, ring MAGE06, dunno what that does, A ring of protection +2, A standard 2H sword and a Sword of Chaos+5 in the backpack, Grandmastery in Large Swords, 90% elemental resist, 90% missile resist, all saves are at 1, intrinisic AC is -1.

Drizzt:

Level 16 Elf Innocent (Another special class, I have no idea why Drizzt is using it)

STR:13
DEX:20
CON:15
INT:17
WIS:17
CHA:14

92 HP, carries a standard helm, Mithlil Chain +4, Scimitar +5 (defender), Scimitar +3 (frostbrand), custom Boots of Speed, and somethign called DRIZZTS(skull) that is probably there to act like dual-weilded scimitars, since the actual swords are in the gauntlet and amulet slots. Intrinisic AC is -10. APR is 10. Saves are low, 98% magic resist, 30% physical resist, no stealth ability which is weird for a supposed ranger, grandmastery in everything.

[ 08-10-2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: andrewas ]

Ah, so it was the hp. I guess that would explain why Sarevok survived Gorion. I forgot to take that into account before. Thanks a bunch for those stats, Andrewas. Very helpful. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hmmm...I once beat drizzt with an evil party, and in my opinion, without taking advantage of poor AI. I had the PC (Level 4 or 5 illusionist), xzar, kagin, sharteel, vicona and montaron in a party together. Every person in the party was using missie weapons (of course). Xzar cast flame arrow three times, as did the PC (who was alternating between that and using the wand of monster summoning to generate some cannon fodder). Also, Vicona had all her level...3 i think, priest spells set to animate dead, and therefore also generated some hefty amounts of fodder. The skeletons seemed to last a little bit longer against drizzt than the war dogs and hobgoblins did. In the end i had maybe a skeleton or two left who were fighting drizzt and half a dozen hobgoblins in moral failure running around the map. Incedentally, it was my pc who killed drizzt...with a plain old sling, and a plain old bullet on a critical hit. But, aside from being an outrageously unfair battle (80-to-1 or so), i don't really think it's wrong to use the tools that the game provides to beat drizzt...do you?

I did the exact same thing to defeat Do'Urden. And the same tactic to take down Sarevok.

How depressing that a legend such as Drizzt Do'Urden should fall to some upstart godchild simply because he was too stupid to be carrying any Healing Potions. Ah, well, such is life.

Drizzt is using the "Innocent" class to ensure that you get smacked with a Reputation penalty for killing him.

And speaking of which, I'm of the opinion that swarming Drizzt with hundreds of Summons while you slowly Critical Hit him to death with ranged weapons is kinda cheesy, as it does indeed take advantage of the game's poor AI: If you were in his place, would you attack the Summons, or would you attack the spellcasters doing the Summoning? Yeah, that's what I'd do, too.

But that's just me.

Hmm - I wonder if you will still be a beholder, once you have reached your 4400 (or 4401) post Six :D

EDIT: Hmm - got the answer: "Knight of the Rose". That is from "Dragon Lance" IIRC.

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[ 08-14-2003, 06:07 AM: Message edited by: InsaneBane ]

Just to reply to Six. Until you have tried your uber-Barb against Drizzt, you will never know how well he will fare against him. Remember... people usually fight Drizzt when they are level 3-5, and Sarevock when they are maxed out.

The experience is totally different.

But you have to remember that Drizzt is so much more poweful that your characters are, so you will need some other form of help. I used monster summoning from the wand, completely surrounding him with monsters until I initiated the fight. And even then it was a difficult fight. Had to have my players constantly run away and use healing potions till he finally died. I think it's pretty much necessary to use the summons, and I wouldn't consider that cheese since he is extremely powerful. Besides, it's not like the summons even hit Drizzt...they just give him a target besides your butt :D .

Back when this game was new, I defeated Drizzt, and without cheeze or cheating. I was too much of a noob to know how to abuse the game.

Am I the only person who lets the poor Drow live?

Anyway, try throwing Liia Jannath into the mix. Or does she still die in under two seconds? ;)

Liia Jannath? Is that the fighter chick who tries to prove the superiority of female fighters? I think somewhere near the basilisk map. If so, she would qualify for kobold fodder.

P.S. this is not to make a slur against the idea of ladies being at the least equal to guys. Their innate superiority comes from the heart while the innate area of superiority for men(boys) comes from the muscle(some guys make this look like a bad joke) Uhh...yeah. well it's midnight and I'm working off of 8 hours of sleep in the past 48 hours so I'm starting to ramble incoherently. Hehe...sorry. I'm done now.

Liia is right next to Belt, and even a simple sneeze could turn her into chunky nuggets. Has anyone ever kept her alive?

Liia is right next to Belt, and even a simple sneeze could turn her into chunky nuggets. Has anyone ever kept her alive? </font>[/QUOTE]I did once my first time through the game but I accomplished that only........once.