Nothing more than curiousity here....

How many people made a save in the Stout Mines, just before they finished
the area and killed Freyedies/stole his key just to see all the loot in
the chests? O:)

I will admit I saved just before killing Raskalion then went up and turned
Freyedies and his guards into dwarf a la meteor, extra crispy. [img]smile.gif[/img]
(That's a pretty nice hammer he has too)

I've done it. Doesn't do much, other than get all the rest of the miners mad at you. Except Signor Pastor-Oleo, who will still be "lettin' you out now..."

Some extra treasure, but nothing really nice aside from Kraokendon.

Can't you get everything without having to kill the King Frey-d-cat? Asside from Kraokendon that is? Can't you just come up through the hole, and wipe out all the vaults without alienating anyone? I'm pretty sure I have.

Woo-hoo! Only 10 more posts and I can loose this ugly magister portrait!

Uh, now 9 more...

Ermmmm.... you do know what [img]graemlins/spam2.gif[/img] is on the boards, don't you, Jon? That's where you try to make a lot of posts in order to advance rank. It's really frowned upon in general, especially when people do silly things like offer to buy a [img]graemlins/cheers.gif[/img] at the Boogre Bar when they get their new level. :D

Really. [img]graemlins/spam3.gif[/img] is frowned upon. :D ;) :D ;)

Oh, you mean [img]graemlins/spam2.gif[/img] ! I see... Yes, [img]graemlins/spam2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/spam2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/spam2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/spam2.gif[/img] !

Im sort of anxious to ditch this guy myself. Of course Id never stoop to posting http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...lins/spam2.gif. ;o)

[ 05-03-2003, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: the mighty stamar ]

Jsalsb,
jump up through what hole to get into the other vaults?

The only thing I saw/found was the lift to get into one of the vaults
at Raskalion.

Bungleau, as for eq, I am sure it's random but last night I found some more
Oomphaz armor - very handy for 2 of my group. ;)

Just a thought...

I once tried teleporting Raskallion right up in front of Freyedies and killing him there. Freyedies not so much as noticed it. Perhaps if one were to teleport Freyedies down in the Burning Carvern out in the lava or down where Raskallion is hiding one may be able to kill him without the other miners' noticing.

I have never tried it. Perhaps someone else can shed light on the matter???

I haven´t tried it but I doubt it. This game is old and therefore not so sophisticated in its triggers. The trigger probably is if you kill the king/a guard they will all become hostile. The same goes for the MM series for instance. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Eddie, the hole jsalsb is talking about is probably the same lift as you went up through. [img]smile.gif[/img]

What ever you do, do not cast an ice spell against the king.
I got everyone angry, and had to fight my way out.

Had to lick my wounds better after that.

As the World Famouse Homer Simpson said "....DOH...."

Morguemaus

Morgue,
I did that the first time I "went for the gold" ;)

I did froze his guards and then let loose with both cannons, so to speak.
Having to fight every other guard was simple but annoying so I reloaded and
tried having my ratling thief-ranger-ninja steal the key. The king didn't
turn aggressive so I looted away without interference. (Would have been nice
if the guards *had* become agg once they saw you open any of the vaults)

But, then again, killing them is putting them out of our misery....
Stouts talk too much, and I's be a plund'r. I's likes golds too much. ;)

It's been a while, but once you're in the first vault, can't you clean them all out? Either that, or I remember that you can go through the main doors (right past the guards) into the vault area, enter each one, clean them out, and none of the guards will lift a finger. I think there's a subplot that all the stouts actually think Freyedies is loopy and wouldn't mind seeing him go away ;)

Am I remembering this stuff wrong?

Been a while for me as well, but I seem to recall clearing out the vaults without having offed the king. Amused me that you could do it under the guard's noses and none of them reacted at all.
Yes, there is mention that Freyedies is a bit bonkers, at least from some characters. I don't recall it being universally supported by all the stouts so you could probably argue the point effectively either way.

Wyv

BTW - I agree that some of the # of posts level pictures are icky. Maybe someone should start a poll on which ones everyone would like to see changed. ;)

Far be it for me to complain about the hard work Ziroc & Chocolate [img]graemlins/choc.gif[/img] have done to put together such an excellent looking board!

I will just wait out the magister for a couple more posts ;)

[ 05-04-2003, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: jsalsb ]

Killing Raskalion does not disturb the stouts. Killing Freyedies does. But you need not kill him if your Pickpocket skill is enough high. You can steal the key and all his goods except Krakoendon. Krakoendon is nothing to write home about (it can't be blessed), thus loosing Krakoendon is no loss.
With the key, you can loot all treasure rooms freely. The guards will yell "Stay away from the King's treasure or else!" and observe your dark work.
People in Gael Serran say that Boogres are the most stupid beings there. They are not. Stouts are better. The guards are a proof of it [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] BTW, you can see a stout trying to dig through Freyedies' throne making "Um, eh, much work to do!..." sometimes. Another proof [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

lolz, i remember picking the key out of his pocket and usin it to get into his vault without picking a fight! simple, save, pick, if successful, save again and pick again, etc etc etc. :D

Some experiments and results:

1) Casting the circle of fire spell on one's own party in a way that will put Freyedies inside the fire automatically results in Freyedies' and his guards' attacking the party.

2) Teleporting Raskalion or a monster within close proximity of Freyedies and bombarding them with a storm spell thus also hurting Freyedies is not considered an atrocity (as we have all discovered with other NPCs). However if Freyedies dies the miners still become mad.

3) Teleporting Freyedies to the lower levels of the mines and killing him out of the guards' sight is still considered an atrocity.

4) Teleporting Freyedies into the lava of the burning cavern does not hurt him the slightest bit as is the case with monsters

5) Teleporting Freyedies to the bottom of the sinking lake actually does make him gasp for air, and eventually he dies. This also makes the miners just a wee bit agitated.

Conclusion: You are absolutely right, WillowIX. The death of the king is the trigger.

6) However: I found out that if one petrifies a guard or a miner, kills the king, and then casts stone to flesh on the petrified stout, that stout will not start attacking the party.

My experiments also yielded me some other chance discoveries:

7) The vault key can be easily pickpocketed from the king, but it seems impossible to pickpocket Kraokendon.

8) As we all know one can pickpocket the dragon ore from Freyedies, give it back to him and thus have him make more dragon armours. (The ore is not used up in making the first armours). Also one of the chests in the king's private vault room contains a dragon armour. However, it seems that a second dragon armour, found underneath the anvil inside the vault, only appears after the king has been killed.

9) In order to complete experiment two I wanted to use monsters that I did not have to search for too long. So I went down to the treasure vault (with the key I had pickpocketed from Freyedies) and started teleporting Squixes out of the chests. A squix can actually be teleported out in the middle of a room. It has an odd square base and it remains on the spot where it launches breath attacks. However, if one steps close to its old treasure chest it immediately reappears in the chest. This seems rather peculiar.

10) One thing I did not have time to try was teleporting lava hounds and insane miners up to the throne room and hide behind Freyedies until he got killed by their attacks on the party.

11) One last thing: Has anyone tried charging Kraokendon in the Black Fire? ... Radek?

No, I haven't tried it. Also, I've never been able to pickpocket Krakoendon, even with Pickocket 14. Well, I have thought so far that it's me who is the expert for getting crazy ideas and realizing them with stubborness typical for me here. No! I was defeated! I was shattered! I was smeared on a wall! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] A fantastic work, Bsftcs!

WowZah!!!!

What a thorough experiment, bsftcs!!!!

Is there any variable that you didn't try?? ;) I like it enough that it should be added to the Best Tips just because it is so complete an exploration of what would happen!

:D

Wyv
(I hate typos! ;) )

[ 05-20-2003, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Wyvern ]

I am also impressed... only one other thing occurred to me: teleporting Freyedies to Signor Pastor-oleo's area and exiting the mines. He might come up the elevator with you... or maybe not.

What about teleporting him under an elevator shaft? Different means of death... do they still get agitated?

Great work, great work... [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

i also have not been able to pickpocket the hammer out of his hands, i guess it cant be taken from him unless u kill him..... :(

[ 05-21-2003, 01:50 AM: Message edited by: LiOnHe@rT ]

I have tried teleporting the king to the exit room and leaving it. It is the same case with him as with any item one leaves on the floor: It only exists in that one "version" of the room, in which they have been placed there. That is: if one places a sword on the floor of the room when the room is a part of the map of the Wilderness of Ishad N'ha the sword will not be there anymore, when the room is switched to being part of the Stout Mines Map. If one places the king in the room and gives the writ to Signeur Pastollio the map of the Wilderness of Ishad N'ha will load and once it has been loaded the king just disappears. Actually it looked rather amusing: One second he was there. The other he was gone.

Killing him under the elevators... Good idea, Bungleau. I will try it next time. But I do not think I will have any luck.

By the way, does anyone have an idea which error in the programming makes the squixes reappear in their chests when one steps close to the chests?


Edit/ Thank you for your credits, Wyvern. I will add my findings to the best tips page once I finish the last couple of experiments.

[ 05-21-2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: bsftcs ]

Not to much surprise, killing Freyedies under an elevator also upsets the guards.

However... using an indirect approach to kill a guard or a miner does NOT result in the Stouts' becoming angry.