No, I mean it! A few months ago, I was lucky if I posted a thread and came back in about a week and there was one reply. I guess more people are going back and playing old games now that there ain't gonna be a BG3

Very true. Although I have another guess for the reason, summer probably had something to do with it. But whatever are the why´s, I´m deafinitely surprised too.

Yeah, it's much busier in here these days. BG I rocks!!

I think that it is because of the influx of talented, highly intelligent and gifted individuals that have made this board their home...LOL

Partly the reason of more posting is that some members came back. I've seen Lord Brass again, last time I saw him was when i first joined, and I also have seen Six back. And Mr. Baggins here has made this forum pretty popular too, with his clans and ideas and hilarious comments. But seriously, this forum will never grow dull.

Here, here. The finest board in the realms.
I also think that now most of the posters, are not the type that say "I beat the game. Ho Hum. What's next?" This group appreciates the greatness of Baldurs Gate, and enjoys the roleplaying possibilities in it.
Now if Mr. Baggins and I can get Lord Brass to resign his membership in the K.A.K.... :D

i been playing way too much baldurs gate, gone through all the other games
baldurs gate
diabloII
fallout II
morrowind
quake3
counterstrike

arghghgh too many, trying to master them all, but with fallout2, diabloII etc i completed them and only now coming back to them, baldurs gate is annoying me now cos i cant play anything else till i completed it well and truly, then i can bury it and never play it again [img]tongue.gif[/img] i love this game but 5 hours a night just to nail it is not good, my girlfriend is probably wondering if i currently exist [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yeah, i don't care if there will be a bg3, i dont care if it's diablo79, i just wanna be able to export my char!

i want to export my diabloII char into baldurs gate [img]smile.gif[/img] where his extremly tank axe doing 200 poison damage over 3 seconds amongst other things might give me a slight edge in combat [img]smile.gif[/img] in fact my level 60 odd merc would do the job nicely [img]smile.gif[/img]

grungi, the funny thing is that a full level, best equipment, tob party, (no warroris and such, just clerics and mages and druids) would kick any diablo character.. :D

Quake 3. Great game.

was world number 1 at quake3 freeze for two weeks [img]smile.gif[/img] love that game

and a diablo char would own a bg one, 50 odd levels higher and with hitpoints in the high hundreds? even a party of them wouldnt work plus you have high resistances to all types of attack and one hit from your weapon and thats one dead, if they summoned minions you'd carve through em easy, i challenge your bg party to a duel with my diablo2 barbarian [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And don't forget... I've returned to lend my... ummm... wisdom...

badet was referring to a BG2 party, in which case an Mage will KO any Diablo2 character with Time Stop and Imprisonment. [img]smile.gif[/img]

yeah but level 50 would have awesome saving throws plus magic resistance etc so those spells would bounce [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hi, to everyone on the forum from Midget Gems.

I’ve not been posting anything for the last few months ‘cos I’m lost in the dark depths of BG2, but I try to check out your messages during my lunch-break. So, yes it’s good to see that this board is doing so well – so well that I am inspired to contribute some more words of wisdom about adventuring with my small (vertically challenged) friends.

So watch out for Midget Gems – a legend in their own lunchtime.

Time Stop and Imprisonment both ignore Saves and Magic Resistance, sorry. A lot of spell protections won't block Imprisonment, either. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Besides... Diablo2 has no Magic Resistance to speak of. They only have Magic Damage Resistance, Physical Damage Resistance, and Elemental Resistances.

Saving throws work differently in Diablo2 as well.

Either way, Baldur's Gate is undeniably the better game of the two. I mean, how can you compete with a game where the following line is spoken:

"My lung! It's flopping all over the dirt...damn.

actually you'd still lose unless youcould cast before my leap attack hit you and as you CANT hit someone leaping with anything, i win muahahaha so one leap attack 200 poison damage and your history before you can get your spells in, and if i keep leaping no spells affect me anyway [img]smile.gif[/img]

oh and i prefer bg over diabloII its more involving , diabloII is great till you realise nightmare and hell is just more of the same and hell is plain boring with no real new challenges just people you got to hit longer and who hurt you more, shame as it had so much potential to be better :(

My two cents worth. Comparing Baldurs Gate to Diablo is like comparing apples and oranges. The combat systems are completely different and a 50th level character in one does not = a 50th level in the other. During my lunch break, two guys play Diablo over the net, and I play Baldurs Gate. There is NO role playing in their game, and the net is filled with trolls, that only want to get stronger and stronger. These trolls steal gold and items from other players. Really stupid.

[ 11-05-2002, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Keraptisdm ]

And you cant do *anything* while timestopped leaving any decent mage 18 seconds to arrange your total destruction.

6 seconds for alacrity, 12 seconds for several *thousand* HPs of damage.

Unless of course you can close 30 yards (or whatever distance you start the battle at) leap and hit an invisible target inside of 6 seconds. I doubt it.

Protection From Magic Weapons. Yessir, that means ALL magic weapons. No effect whatsoever. (twiddles fingers) dum dee dum dum dum.....

But there are SO many people out there that say that Diablo is an RPG!!! How can they all be wrong? (Sarcasm intended...)

Pfft, all we need is the Staff of Magi. ;)

"*Ow!* What hit me? *Ow!* Cut that out! *Ow!* *Ow!*"

Invisibility, something that Diablo2 characters cannot counter. [img]smile.gif[/img] Not to mention it allows the wielder to cast Time Stop unseen. :eek:

no magic can affect a leaping barbarian so the ONLY way to tackle it (and yes i can leap a full screen with my barbarian so if your on screen i can hit you) is by timing it perfectly so that when i hit the ground the spell hits me, which is very hard to do using bg system, and if its the case whereby your immune to magic weapons then no problem i switch to fists and still do 200 odd damage [img]smile.gif[/img]

and of course you cant compare the two games, but its half the fun to see, ie would rambo kick terminators arse, would aliens beat the predator type questions, just if you integrated a barbarians leap attack into bg then it would not be targetable (by the rules of bg) till you touched the ground again by which time you'd be dead even if you converted the guy down to bg standards you'd have problems casting when your being hit repeatdly.

and diablo is a semi-rpg at best, its good fun and there is a plot to follow with quests so in that respect fills some, but baldurs gate by the same token is only a semi-rpg as you have no real option to change the course of things, theres no way of failing the main quest short of dying, the end result of bg is to complete the game so its not openended and therefore not a full rpg where you have the control (like morrowind which is about as close as most games come to open ended play) but diabloII is designed for hack and slash and dont think about anything which is great fun too cept gets boring quickly after completing nightmare, whereas bg you can come back to over and over, and yes even the multiplayer of diablo gets boring quickly and does little (for me) to extend the life of the game, the one thing in diablo i loved was random items, trying to build up the best set of equipment i could find, and thats the main reason most people play it, esp online.

but pls remember this aint a serious topic! its only games [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I don't know about you, but I prefer staying visible--it's a much more powerful emotional defeat if you can SEE them right in front of you, but you can't do a dang thing about it.

What about the laws of physics? I should think Time stop pretty much sums everything up, magic immunity during Leap or no magic immunity during Leap.

Not through Stoneskins, you don't. And no matter how many attacks per 'round' you're dealing, a Wizard will still have plenty of time to cast.....oh, how about Feeblemind? ;)

*HEAR, HEAR!!!* That's where the Diablo series stomps the BG series into the dust: Randomness. Random dungeons, random monsters, random boss monsters, random unique items, even more random non-unique items.....I hate entering the Nashkel Mines for the nth time and knowing exactly where all the Traps are.

unfortunately thats the only thing diablo has over bg and maybe by bg rules timestop would work but in diablo nothing in the game affects a leaping barbarian, magic cast by the greatest demons etc nothing can hit em even auras which would work along the same lines as a timestop spell, even things affecting the whole screen dont affect them (least till they land)

i want random items in bg darnit! that would be cool, could find some nice drops and then it wouldnt always be the same old stuff that my party ends up having

Personal preference. Please don't flame me! :D
I don't consider the "replayability" of a game as part of the role playing. I look at the choices that have to be made, and how these affect the plot and your character. Interaction with NPC's, going to town, negotiating, etc, etc.
Restrictions on your choices are always a drag in these computer games. For example, many of the Civil War games tout "refight the Battle of 2nd Bull Run, see if you can beat Lee". Well they set parameters that don't allow you to change the campaign. What if I don't want to place the army in this field? What if I want to place them on that hill? The game won't let you do that, which restricts your role playing.

The finest example of this for me is Avalon Hill's Advanced Third Reich. Although it does have a lot of options, I never found it totally accessible to the way I wanted to play the game. I mean, who'd really attack Poland in 1939? I certainly wouldn't; I'd wait for the 1944 kick-off as originally planned. Annoying.

yeah the scope your calling for everyone wants but atm its just not possible short of a massive coding team to create a game responding to so many different inputs, going to have to wait till when comp games write themselves so coding is less important and the main design team will be working out what possible options the player can get, and thats not too far away now, games like morrowind are certainly moving along the right lines insofar as you have massive range to do what you want, but you still cant grab a table and smack someone over the head with it, or hire some troops and send them out to go pillage some town just for the helluva it, but oh boy i cant wait till you get almost unlimited options [img]smile.gif[/img]

The REAL reason to develop artificial intelligence: Role Playing Games. I love it.
Hey Grungi. Which combat system was easier to learn: Baldurs Gate or Diablo? I already knew the Baldurs Gate combat system from PnP AD&D.

rofl combat system? in diablo2 you click with a mouse and thats it, not much to learn, keep clicking alot basically [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Yeah.....I have a friend who I wanted to get hooked on BG.....he's played Diablo, but he never seemed to get the hang of BG, probably due to all the complicated rules. He actually got his butt kicked in the Nashkel Mines because he made the common error that Leather Armor is the best, because it grants the highest Armor Class. Now, he didn't do that because he's stupid (he's actually quite smart), it's just that with all the rules thrown at him at once, he was too overwhelmed to think logically. He wasn't having much fun with the game, he was too busy learning the system to get to the point where he could click on things and make them die--which in Diablo, you can do right from the start.

any game i play regardless of what stats it chucks at me i always assume leather isnt as good as metal armour, whether it makes ac go high or low, never found a game yet where basic leather is better than chainmail (though in diablo demonhide leather etc is better by far but not basic)

I find that I like to start all my games running stark naked through the fields playfully dodging arrows and farting fireballs.

and then you wake up? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I don't know Grungi. Does he look awake to you? :D

I've been thinking about buying Diablo2, but I'm still not sure. To be honest, it's not as if I've got the time, but...it certainly won't go down from the £20 in Blighty for awhile at least. Hmmm, decisions, decisions.

he looks about as awake as rip van winkle [img]smile.gif[/img]

diablo II i think i picked up for less than 20 quid, try EB

diabloII is worth it if a) you liked diablo b) you like nobrainers where you can run around hackin n slashin c) you like random items so can continually work on getting the best set (btw get the expansion as thats the main thing it improves on) just bear in mind you'll probably get bored once into hell level and your taking half an hour to kill something cos its got 100 percent physical resistance, sad thing is in hell level diablo himself is easier than some of the random monsters you encounter [img]tongue.gif[/img]