Okay, new poll: What's the most creative thing you've done to solve a problem, puzzle, or dilemma in the game? Lateral Thought is definitely a plus here.

I guess mine would be the same as in my recent thread: finding out I could climb up the wall at Brimloch Roon, walk on the treetops around to the Lost Sea, and get to that area long before doing the Anephas tomb. The reason? To get the seeds from the Living Trees (Bark Horrors) for the Wizard quest before opening the tomb so I could get the third Wizard quest. (It worked for all my characters! Plus, now I have a portal on the Isle of Sands that I can go to anytime I want to level up a character quickly. (Mega experience monsters there).

What's the most creative "thinking outside the box" thing you've successfully pulled in the game?

Sazerac

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I think that when I dropped the Genie Lamp after I made my 3rd wish and kept getting more wishes by dropping it over and over was neat.

Also, in the Boogre Prison, when S'Keser Da throws the switch to drop you, my group kept jumping 'til the floor closed up. Then I flipped the lever and left. Came back in and the barred door opened, letting me open the chest with the Band Of Boars inside.
Of course after finishing that quest, I entered the prison the usual way.

By the way, did you know that if you offer boogre brew to the Idol with the 2 chests on either side right after the Gauntlet, you can get the Berserker or Giant Strike trait? I do believe I've become a traits junkie.

Mark

I don't know how many other people killed Elyssia & her friends in the Serpent Temple this way but I added a little flare to the end of our battle with her that had us puffed up for a while, lol!

I went into the auditorium, hit her with a Flamestrike & when she summoned her priests, I ran back, out playing peek a boo with them around the 4 corners of that small room until they were all dead. Then I went back into the auditorium, threw another spell at Elyssia and ran back when she came after us...after that it was just a matter of who was going to get who first around the next corner, lol! (Not using Spirit Eye either!)

Finally, when she was almost dead, I led her back towards the auditorium, jumped up on her table with the dead guy on it and blasted her as she came in.

From our point of view (standing up there on her table), her death was nothing less than a spectacular feat of ingenuity at work & success against one who had at that point presented herself as our most formidable opponent yet!

Nothing compared to you Kings of Ingenuity, granted...you actually beat the game in a sense but I thought I would brag. : )

A while ago I'd answer: using create portal and teleport to move horse and/or ship to other locations. But that is fairly common knowledge now.
When I played with three characters I could only rub Alababa's lamp once, because rubber as well as target may not have been beneficiery yet. So I created 2 new characters for this: one to rub for the second, and then quickly dropping the lamp and selecting one of my own characters to be beneficiery of the wish. One of them I named Mule: I could nicely store equipment with him in the Inn that I didn't need at the moment.

The most useful and worthwhile solution I came up with while playing the game is to save often and keep a running backup of all savegame files each time the six save slots filled up. That way when I encountered a game stopping bug, I had a fuller choice of savegames to restore from.

- John
http://www.tk421.net/wizardry/

how to climb DOWN the long ladder...

Moni - I played hide 'n' seek with Elyssia also but I forget myself and blasted my team with my 'Flamestrike'
when she's really low in her hit points and I ran out of magic, I take my strongest members (pumped up with Heroic Might and Haste) and chopped her into snakeskin boots

I save my game into 3-4 categories:
1) go back and start the quest over again
2) go back and correct something if you messed up
3) oh no! I got killed! start over and work on your hit points
4) major quest finished

carg - as I recall you were the first to mention using the Create Portal and Teleport to unstick the ship - so you get full credits from me!!!

Will have to think if I managed to be very clever! Right now I'm coming down with a cold and find it hard to think at all, much less with any efficient lateral cognition! Well at least my vocabulary isn't as weak as my mind today!

Wyv

Mine was wayyy early on blasting the mud things at the crypt ent - I would blast AE - run like hell, turn - Blast, run like hell - till - i got to the area where there was some trees and a circular path - got the critters stuck there and did the peek a boo thing till i finally ganked em - gained 2 levels each there.

On a completely side note - I couldnt find any bark horrors - where the hell are they?

Bark Horrors are to be found in the Isle of Sands area!

Wyv

My creative discovery? Finding out that Oakenmir had a Treant Seed, and that, if I thought my characters weren't strong enough yet to kill him and get the ten million experience, I could Steal it from him with Pickpocket skill of around 8 or 9. In that way, I could finish the Wizard's Guild quest without having to do the long Treetop Trek trick.

Very cool, Gauleiter, and much appreciated info, since I thought it was originally a bug that you only got 2 quests from the Wizard's Guild. Actually, I used a combination of your strategy and mine; I picked a Treant seed off Oakenmir for one of my characters (took me about 20 minutes of loading and reloading!) and then did the Tarzan trick with the trees, went to the Isle of Sands, and whacked 3 Bark Horrors, getting the other 3 seeds; thus getting 4 seeds for all 4 of my characters before the Anephas Shrine. Very sweet!

Filled up my inventory with skull daggers from the thieves guild in any pawn shop for 800 gold a piece(605 with the merchant skill) and than sell them back for 900 gold (1035 with the merchant skill) and repeat. Best way I've found to rake up cash fast and is available as soon as I had access to Ishad N'ha.

James: Try the selling trick with Takekatsu Arrows at the Bushi Dojo. I think the exchange rate is better, and they stack so you can exhaust all your gold in one 'buy' and sell them at once also.

Mark

I wonder if this qualifies as creative?

I had reached Brimloch Roon when I decided to start over - reset the entire game. Since my existing characters weren't instantly deleted, but had to be deleted manually, I decided to send one of them back to the town of Valeia with a Raptor Egg snuggled carefully in his backpack. That was the only way I could figure out to have a new character in the new game able to complete the Ranger quest early.

Then I got carried away and stopped off for a Samurais baton on the way back.

But unfortunately, the young Samurai had to wait until reaching Ishad N'ha to get advancement since ther is no Dojo guild in Valeia?

To attack Erathsmedor, I put a LURE spell on a character wearing the Dragon Plate Armor. Then hacked away (forever). You have to be careful because once in a while the target character will get stoned and Erathsmedor will turn his attention on the rest of the party until the target character is restored to healthy status.

No, I didn't play out the game with Dragon's blood on my hands - I restored a previous save and continued normally. You don't need the points to be able to complete the game.

Thorny - there are raptor eggs to be found in the opening area of the game. ON the west side of the river, between Nymph Lake and the Oracle Cave there is an outlet into the forest and there are raptors (and eggs). I believe these will only show up if someone has the quest, but I might be wrong about that.

Why didn't you just replay the game with your old characters??

Wyv

I was wondering.... can you replay the game after you have a Zenmaster and Valkyrie in the party? I guess that would unbalance the game too much, but you could set it at the hardest settings. Anybody do it, does the game become too easy?

mark

Bumping
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Hi, my most creative solution was my slightly odd way to kill one of the Amazoni Mantraps off Ishad N'Ha. I'd just finished the Serpent Temple and my party was quite low level. After a couple of failed attempts, with my party completely mangled by the fierce plants I thought I'd check out the courtyard of the Shurugeon Ruins instead. With that in mind I swam under moat and found the razed wall. When I'd cleared the area of ghosts and ratlings I lowered the drawbridge to exit the courtyard.

To my surprise the drawbridge had landed on one of the mantraps trapping it in the moat, and standing on the drawbridge it couldn't reach me with its poisonous breath. So from the top of the drawbridge I gleefully whacked it to death.

But after that I really had to run for my life, since the now dead mantrap's friends were approaching.

Cheers // Jazzid

In the serpent temple, if you can't be bothered to find the four monkey idols, stack up the chairs in the library to reach Kreug's room and get the Serpent Wand.

In the Boogre Prison, cast vanish near the front entrance and you can reappear in Doshi-Gin's area. Then enter Boogre prison the back way and play the area without being a boogre.. Oh and it's quite fun catching the jungle lilies looking the wrong way.. also the teleport rooms only work when you cross the front entrance!

In the platform puzzle in Skull Castle, go to the north platform, look straight up and climb the chain, then pull all three levers to set all the platforms correct.

Hi. Well, this is not a solution, but I haven't seen it listed anywhere yet. You can torture H'thark with the iron rod to get the information. It's good fun and you get to keep his lockpicks, although this may hamper some quest or other. Great game, huh?
cheers.

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by the_young_one:
In the serpent temple, if you can't be bothered to find the four monkey idols, stack up the chairs in the library to reach Kreug's room and get the Serpent Wand.

In the Boogre Prison, cast vanish near the front entrance and you can reappear in Doshi-Gin's area. Then enter Boogre prison the back way and play the area without being a boogre.. Oh and it's quite fun catching the jungle lilies looking the wrong way.. also the teleport rooms only work when you cross the front entrance!

In the platform puzzle in Skull Castle, go to the north platform, look straight up and climb the chain, then pull all three levers to set all the platforms correct.<hr></blockquote>


One word for all three solutions...IMPRESSIVE!

In the caves:

I missed (messed up?) the key to the *cough*lame*cough* boulder puzzle.

I knew if I jumped down from the bridge leading to the dragon, I'd be able to get to the backside of the boulders. Once there, I couldn't leave, because my character was too tall to fit through the top of the waterfall.

So, what did I do?

I cranked up the editor and rescaled the cave around the mouth of the waterfall. I could then pass through to the lower level to continue the game.

haha!

When I was fighting the Red Bull God in Shurugeon (heh forgot his name) I accidently hit myself with Flamestrike (Elemental Blast or Spectral Raven maybe) and I was hit into the ceiling....well I didn't move cuz I was right over the guy and I was like,"**** now I have to restart" but than I started casting on him just for the hell of it and I killed him, than I jumped and ended up back on the floor...pretty useful considering I only used shock [img]smile.gif[/img]