Hey everyone. After completeing Baldur's Gate II, I'm lacking quality RPG material to play and I was just wondering what you would rate this particular game (say, on a scale of 1 to 10).

I'd give it a 6 or a 7. Its worth playing at least for a while. I've currently lost interest, but it was fun for a while. Maybe I'll continue it after the patch.

It really depends on what you like. If you like developing your characters and going on specific quests, it's one of the best except it's a little buggy.

If you like a more straightforward game with hard fighting, give it the 6 or 7

It's no BG by any stretch of the imagination, but has an excellent class advancement/guild system. To me one the the weaknesses common to CRPG's is the lack of things to do with all your hard earned cash by the middle of the game. You won't have that problem here, since the guilds offer training between levels, for a price. You can also enchant your own weapons and armor (actually Blessing them is far more useful) which is very cool. It is also a very long game that will certainly give you some bang for your buck if you can deal with it's shortcomings, of which there are many.

The downside is that it is buggy as hell, and there is very little in the way of a story. The quests are mostly pretty weak, and monster AI is non-exsistant.

All in all I agree with the 6 or 7 although I'd lean towards 6 because of all the bugs. There are certainly better CRPG's out there but if you've played them all, this one will at least keep you busy for a while.

Neal, I love your signature! LOL! I haven't as much game experience as many of our sages . . . so for what it is worth. This game fuels my imagination! I get involved enough in it to be startled by monsters. I do talk to them. Developement and quests can be a little tendious. I miss being able to place my characters in battle to protect the weak. I love the NPC's, just wish they would talk a little less. Am having a wonderful time. Love the character generation part and the ascension. This forum gives lots of answers and laughs. Tis not simply cut and slash. I love this game.

I guess it depends on what kind of rpg-player you are. If you are a convinced pen&paper player, like myself, then you will love this game for its character advancement and its guild system. There is NO other game that offers so much fine-tuning of your heroes! 11 points here!
The bugs, the all too simple quests and the lack of strategic challange on the other hand earn it a 6.
So, all in all I agree with Lily the Ranger. I personally would give it 8, it surely worth being played, and not only for pen&paper players!

THE ONE

I loved the Might & Magic series.. isn't it sorta like that?

oh yeah, hardcore AD&D played for 6 of my 15 years...

It is a great game, Neal! This forum has to be the best I've ever been too! I'll give the game a 8.5, because of the bugs, or eles it would be higher! I give the forum a 10+!!

God speed!

Hmm....I think it is really hard to actually rate this game....I played it till the end, but I didnt think it was that great !!! But still I had fun all along

1. The story is really bad,,Its a real low budget fantasy story (If you can say that to a game)Its okey if you dont care so much about the story,,,I think this is one of the most important things in an CRPG..A story told for the Adventurers,,there are some very nice NPC meetings in the game thou.

2.I didnt have so much bugs during the game as everyone speaks off thou...I think it depends on how you play and what you do in this produkt,,,,If you go straight to B before going to A you may get ruined Quest,,,,ea kill that NPC before getting the Quest etc etc...Then there was a few other things that annoyed me,,,getting damage from elevators,hard to target flying monsters...monsters attack you when talking to some NPC(could ruin your Quest)...and much more

3. The graphics isnt that bad and not that good either,,,

I give it a 4 of 10 if the story had been good the verdict would be much higher...And if I rate it that the story didnt matter at all I give it a 7,,cus it was still fun to play..

This is the best RPG I've enjoyed since Ultima Underworld and Wizardry 7. Seriously! I've virtually forgotten what it's like to play a TRUE RPG until Wizards & Warriors reminded me. Thanks to the kind people at this forum, I've been able to enjoy the game while avoiding all the major bugs - which proves it's possible to play it despite the flaws. Better yet, this proves that in spite of the bugs, it's still a good game - which means it's a DAMN GOOD GAME.

I give WW 8.5 out of 10 - 9.9 without the bugs!!

so mixed thoughts on it... anyone who's played Might and Magic 6-8 can you tell me how this game compares...?

Might & Magic is one of best games ever played. MM6 is very difficult, MM7 and MM8 are more easy than MM6. But these games are more difficult than W&W. And Much time is needed to complete. If you do not play these games,it is worthy to play.

It's ok, but not the greatest game I've ever played. I'd give it a 6.5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

The Might and Magic games are much better, and the quests are more challenging. I'd give Might and Magic 6 at least a 9, M&M7 an 8, and M&M 8 a 6 on the same scale. M&M 8 was a bit rushed to market and the monsters are weaker than in previous games, but it's still fun to play. The best M&M games of all time are the classics, Clouds of Xeen and World of Darkness (3 & 4).

emilyh

Junker, I've had my share of Quest bugs, but there are plenty that don't matter how you play. I have been dropped to the desktop from Brinloch Roon literally a dozen times at least. The game has just frozen on me a bunch of times with the message "bounding error". My Group has gotten stuck in floors (Toad Village UGH!) and walls.

I would say I've had to resart this game at least 25 times due to crashes that had nothing to do with quests, or "how I am playing the game"

Neal, I've played all M&M games except 8, and all the Wizardry games. W&W is more of a nostalgia piece for me fitted to a different engine from the Wizardry games. If you were a fan of Wizardry, (especially 5, 6, and 7) you will probably love this game. I've read a lot of stuff on the lack of storyline here, and it's true that the main quest line is a little sketchy. There is some extremely good humor in the game, and I have to admit I was glad that I was playing in turn-based mode because during key conversations and battles, I would be laughing so hard at one of the ridiculously funny things one of the NPC's said that I'd have to pause to catch myself and then resume. But then I've always had a warped sense of humor anyway. The whole bit about giving someone a superpower sword and then warning them not to use it for destruction or conquest seems to me to be the same joke about telling kids not to stick beans up their noses. But then.

I've played the game through once, with little or no bugs. D.W. and his gang have a great idea here. I'd like everyone to remember that this _is_ a new project for them, and first attempts are always a bit limited while they get the system down. (Bethesda's TES:Arena was much like this, while TESaggerfall was much more fluid and entailed; maybe too much so. That didn't stop my enjoyment of either of them.)

Again, it depends on your goals. My main complaints of the game was that I can't stand action-like elements in RPG's (if I want to jump from lavastone to lavastone, I'll play Mario Bros., thank you NOT!) But for the most part, the pluses outweighed the minuses in my book.

My rating: Character development: 10
Game Story: 5.5
Playability: 8
Side Quest development: 9
Replay value: 8.5

Overall rating: 8.6 (just my opinion)

Sazerac

Ah, I did play MM6 to the end and MM7 most of the way. MM7 just bogged down for me. It was kill and cash in. I never finished it. The two games are different. I never really got stuck in MM but I have been many times in this one (please spray all LEVERS with glow in the dark paint). I like the journal, it is very helpful. I like the auto map and flags but HATE the fact you can't look back at other levels. The Stout Mine has me bonkers. But my characters seem real even if it is hard to figure out things work (Thank you, Forum, for saving me). There is a lot you can do in this game. I have it win 98/8mg video card and haven't had too many bugs. When it comes to ladders, you are not a moron we all fall and go splat. (although I heard some rumor Kore knew how to do them . . . urban legend, I think). Have fun.

Heh, I've played MM6+7 (but not . As far as combat is concerned they're IMHO much better than W&W (yet still a far cry from Diablo1+2), but in all other aspects I prefer W&W.

What pained me most in MM was having to keep track of the location of all those merchants and teachers - something that WW handles (IMHO) far superior! Now, if only you could use the cursor keys to scroll in town it would be perfect!

The only horrible things in WW (again, IMHO) are the automap/map and the odd game bugs/crashes (the patch is due Thursday, so there is at least some hope, heh).

Also, I'd like to see a shortcut for long distance travel (say between towns) - but it's still so much fun that my overall rating for this game is a 8. =)

i love this game, its on eof the best RPGs that ive played in years, probably since back in the day when AD&D was the best bet for these games. i hated BG1 + 2, i sold them for $30 each at a local cash converters. i hated the shity try hard fallout type look to it (anyone here like fallout? i loved it) but im sure it was a good game, it just didnt grab my attention. i also couldnt really get into the whole M&M series, i wish now that i did from the reviews that are here. but W&W is a wicked game, to me the graphics are mad as hell, excellent even. with the exceoption for the spells, some of them looked kinda dodge. the game itself, is awsome, but i do have to admit i hate thinking hard about things, thats why i ask so many ?'s at this forum. to me this game rocks, i scared to say to my girlfriend "ill only be 5 minutes!" then ill be stuck and wanna play till the sun comes up. so i try my hardest not to play too much coz ill get addicted. but yes, its a great fun game. one thing that its missing from what i have read is the monsters. i am wanting a game where u see monsters like giants kicking some mayjor ass in the landscape, and its up to you to kick their ass. coz wher i am the worst i have killed is mummys, good exp for where i am, but..
and the spells, i like games where u can pick out of 200 spells to abliterate your foes, anyway..
ill give it a 10
no bugs for me

Might and Magic games can be compared to this game I think,,,These games are simillar in many ways...., much combat, lots and lots of fed-ex quests, poor storys,,,But here is a difference Might & Magic 7-8 has a way to go evil with your party,,So If you like those games you will absolutly like W.W....and finaly to Lily !!! If Might&Magic is kill and cash in, what is then W.W ???,,lol Its absolutly the same thing here


To Ravensong..LOL did I step on your toe or something....

Its obvious some of the bugs are related to what you do in the game( But this is still a bug), not your fault...When they make this sort of game they have to think of some(all) possible things that the players does when meeting an NPC...But in this game it seems they only went for the ones they felt good and not so many others...I almost did 80-90% of the Quests in the game, wich one of them failed because of a bug,,,,It was the Quest for the living plants seed...when I met up with them in the desert, they spotted me, and I backed out(for buffing),,,when I went back they were gone...So related to what I was doing, this bug was created,,,and this was the only one that happened to me.

~To Ravensong..LOL did I step on your toe or something....~

Not at all Junk!

Just want to let people know that there are alot of other bugs besides quest type bugs. Like alot of bugs, they don't hit everyone. Some people get off scot-free and others can barely play the game for 10 minutes without a crash and burn. My WW experience falls very close to the latter. Personally, I wouldn't have bought the game if I knew it was this shaky. If a few people that feel the same way as me DON"T buy it cuz I bitched about it, maybe they will do a little more beta testing on thier next project, rather than just pushing it out the door. To me a game with this many problems shows a great lack of respect towards the consumer, something that simply isn't acceptable for something that costs $50 and can't be returned.

Has anyone here downloaded the AlicePC.mpeg demo yet? It epitomizes brilliance, in this reviewers mind. Especially the first 33 seconds.. have to love that music! That's what I'm on about! NO industrial, no techno, no fast drum-based kill-music.....no teeny-boppy fast Quake 3 frag music.. just the music box. Yes!

I guess I do do a bit of cash and carry but except for the Stout Mines I have never cruised around going "I'm rich, wahoo". This game appeals to me in the character development in a way MM never did (although I praise any game that give me a gender choice). I love MM6 and was very excited MM7 but it ground to a halt for me after the caverns of medusas and behemoths then to be dumped out into titan and demon Hell with a puny blaster (I don't want tech in my fantasy; although I will take any in Resident Evil (nintendo) what a nice stress buster but WP with that rumble pack). For some reason I really like the character develop in this one. I can see my characters as breathing (I am not scaring you, am I?). I haven't had bugs accept for the stuck toad and barrel ballet and those slimey slipper ladders that OSHA would fine them for. I am not trying to rush through this game and will probably play it several times more. With such a diverse group of players those game companies are sure to get someone's money. I would like the ability to strategically position my characters but still maintain first person view. How's that for greedy?

I have to agree, the journal feature is nice. The MM games also had one, but there were so many pages and sections that remembering exactly which page had the info you wanted was a pain. Also (being a bit nostalgic here) I liked how MM made references to other science fiction & fantasy stuff. The Star Trek reference in one of the early games, 1701, was the answer to a puzzle. And you can recognize some names of the masters as comic book/sci fi characters. For example, there was a Master who lived in Wayne Manor for martial arts in one of the more recent games (Batman, anyone?)

W&W does have it's moments, though. Like when you run into 2 Highland Raiders and their default phrase is "Drop your weapons, you're outnumbered" and there are 6 people in your group. Ok, so I have a weird sense of humor.

EmilyH

Actually, emilyh, my favourite are the lines from the Serpent temple priests, especially the one that goes something like:

"Infidels! The unrighteous shall die a quick death - ARRRRREAGGHGHHHHHHHHHH!" (the last bit being the sound of the "righteous" serpent cultist being killed by my "unrighteous" party).

Anyway, back to the topic: I've played all the M&M RPGs since World of Xeen - and my verdict is that I FAR prefer W&W. Long live Wizards & Warriors!

In comparing W&W to M&M, there are three things I miss about the latter (and wish would be imported): the sassy comments (which at least gave the characters some character -- I've got a good imagination but my characters still don't have any real spunk to them), a REAL working quest journal (the W&W journal only lists quests given by townspeople), and the fly spell (that would take care of those amazoni mantraps playing chicken outside town). Okay, and it was fun choosing between good and evil in M&M7. But I like some of the spells in this game, and the career choices.

Yes! Fly and town portal would rock in this game! Not to mention clairvoyance. Those water fountains are annoying as heck.

the game play gets a 9 from ME
but The company get a 0
I am play this on a Laptop wath mad bugs
can not get the program to work on my
PC!
Activison told me the game can not be
played on a laptop and only told me
to use the patch to fix any problem!!

Don't Sweat the Small Stuff...
Always take time to stop and smell the roses and
sooner or later, you'll inhale a bee.



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Eiz

I like long games as this, the caracters are fun, the quests are OK, but the store keepers spend way tooooomuch time talking. did I say talking?, I mean writting. The worst part is that It freases too much. Give me M&M 6 anytime.The grafics are so and so, it could be much better. I`ll give this game 5.

I've had a Love-Hate relationship with this game, during which I deleted the game and re-installed it - twice. :} Now I like it, and have gotten past some of the spots I kept getting killed in (the Toadem area, for one)

Having played ALL the Might & Magic games since The World Of Xeen series, and virtually every First-Person RPG ever MADE, I have to admit, this game has a certain charm. There are some things I don't like about it - especially the fact that you can't rest/sleep/wait till dawn etc. The game makes you stumble around at night, if you're exploring the countryside - BO-RING!! You can't SEE anything at night, so why the rest aspect was left out of the game, I don't know. It's handy to be able to camp or sleep to regain Hit Points & Mana - as in M&M Series (and virtually EVERY other RPG I've ever PLAYED!)

I absolutely loathe third-person RPGs like Baldur's Gate & Diablo. You can't see what you're doing properly, and it's SO much better to be actually IN the game instead of looking at it from above, like a bird.

Anyway, I give Wizards & Warriors an 8 out of 10.

Hawkwind

If you loved Might and Magic, you will love this game. Better graphics (MM is not hard to beat on graphics) and better character development. The interface is not as easy to use as MM.

Baldur's Gate, BGII, and Torment were all very interesting games, but my first CRPG love was Might and Magic VI and its 3-D, flying, and first person view, etc. W&W is similar to MM in terms of the fp view, but there is no fly spell, the outdoor environments are repetitive, and the interface is clunky. Plus, the illuminate spell is not as good as torchlight at Master or Grandmaster level(depending on which MM game you played). But the forums available to W&W are the best of any game I have played, especially this one, and this tends to somewhat make up for the game's glitches.

W&W is fun and is certainly worth playing, but personally I am salivating over the prospect of playing Might and Magic IX. Occasionally, when I have month or six to spare, I go back and play MM6 for a while.

Bah, the last message posted before I was done.
So I would therefore give this game a 6 or 7 overall.

It was getting to be old hat in M&M 8. This is a pretty old game engine, and is looking decidedly dated. I will probably only play M&M IX if they completely re-do the game engine. I liked the way they have characters speak to you in Wizards & Warriors. It makes it much more interesting & realistic.

Hawkwind

I would tend to agree with Sazerac with one more additive, HUMOUR!
I would add an 8 out of 10 for humour ( especially the boogers, LMAO )

Overall, 7 out of 10 because of ending.

topside

I am giving W&W 4 on the scale 1-10 mostly because of the implementation. Game crashes, painful dialogues, too many bugs, bad usability of maps, AAAAAA! BUM! as a normal method of movement, unbalanced promotion quests (compare the easiness of the priest promotions to, for example, the wizard promotions), inability to rest and the day-night cycle or the problems with picking up items to name a few. If it weren't for all this, the game would be well playable. Nothing extraordinary but well playable.
I do not think M&M can be compared with W&W. I daresay I became an expert in MM7 and I am convinced that MM7 is ways better than W&W.