I've noticed that, in every game, without exception, it's the Elves who wake up first after the ship crashes. You'd think that the hearty types, like the Dwarf, would be the first to recover. But nooooo....

It's the frailest ones in the party that are up and about while the rest are out cold. Why? Anyone have any ideas?

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Elves have a natural bonus to enchantment magic... The fake fatiuge they put on you is probably considered enchantment. So they make a throw against it and wake up quick... Maybe? Sounds good to me... and it will get me to sleep.

Speaking of sleep, Elves are immune to sleep spells, maybe that's it?

Interesting speculation. However, being conked on the head by falling debris doesn't quite come under the heading of "sleep spell". Knockout punch would be more like it ;)

Then again, one never knows what goes on in the insane mind of the program!

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I dont think its an entirely natural unconciousness though.
After all the gnome remains asleep for a suspiciously long time, and the crash was cauzed by weather magic.

I think the unconciousness may have been caused by mixed potions hitting the floor. A little of Oswalds Happy Juice would knock anyone out. If you doubt the potency of his potions you should LISTEN to the little girl with him. She has like 4 brain cells left. ;)

If she has 4 working brain cells left, then Oswald himself has maybe half of one working cell left [img]smile.gif[/img]

While we're on the topic of elves, I just wanna rant about how moon elves don't have Darkvision anymore -- it just spits in the face of tradition. Elves (of all subraces) in AD&D have always had Darkvision (used to be called infravision in the old days). It seems doubly silly with MOON elves -- what, they can't see at night except during a full moon or something?

Yeah, that sux.

??? It says they get darkvision in the manual?

Oswald is actually in some sort of trance, as the dialogue shows when you wake him up.

I've noticed that when the crash happens, the game makes a reflex save for everyone, and those with evasion usually don't take any damage. But they're still out cold.

As for the kid, well, Oswald DID say she has a very small head ;)

Finally, the manual clearly says that Elves have darkvision, and that includes the Moon Elf. Perhaps this was an oversight (no puns intended!) in the code?

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Something else wrong with elves... why on EARTH do drow have PLUS TWO CHARISMA!!!
They are feared all across faerun, you know how they are all racist to Drizzt in the books.

Also, why do they have halfling barbarians? Just doesn't click for me

[ 11-12-2002, 04:52 AM: Message edited by: Callum Kerr ]

Maybe every so often... a cute Halfling puts a glimmer in the eye of a Lonely Barbarian..... ;) [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh my ears! Careful, I'm one of those "Minors" that the rules are set up to protect ;)

[ 11-12-2002, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: Callum Kerr ]

Elves, and especially drow, are very good looking, and their voice is much like a song. So they get bonus to charisma.

Being evil AND beautiful/charismatic is very common. People might find them to be exotic, but they still fear them at first.

Try starting a game with a drow with 20 charisma, and when you get out of the ship, have him move out of the bridge, the 2 guards there will start the usual dialog with you, but will be telling you something like "Whoa! a Drow! Don't move or we'll kill you!" instead of the regular text.

Even 1st Edition AD&D gave Drow Charisma bonuses (anybody here been into AD&D long enough to remember the Unearthed Arcana book?), and I had no problem with that. They're just really good looking, seductively charming bloodthirsty killers -- as a race in general, that is.

But regarding Barbarian Halflings -- I've always had a problem with Class restriction due to race, so I was delighted to see it go in the 3rd Edition. If a Drow can be a ranger, why not a halfling a barbarian? The combination may be uncommon, but who's to say it's impossible? It IS fantasy.

If you want the fantasy to go even farther, the Ease of Use mod has a component that remove aligment requirement from class. So you could do a Paladin/Druid, or something like that, if you wanted.

Would love to experiment with that just for the fun of it, even if I never had a problem with Class Restrictions Due to Alignment.

It'd be way cooler if the game designers made counterparts for every "must-have-good-alignment" class they made (Fallen Rangers and Fallen Paladins don't count). Pen & paper RPGers have been making up their own "Anti-Paladin" class for decades now.

Im thinkin... Chaotic Evil Half-Orc Paladin/Barbarian. ;)

Gee Jack, you won't put a little Ribaldry in your game because it's outside the rules. But you'd consider taking out the alignment rules entirely to make a character like that? Hmmm.....

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Alas I JEST! [img]tongue.gif[/img]