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So what's the verdict? Is IWD II worthy of the franchise? Does the 3rd Ed rule set balance or break the game? Bottom line, is it worth the price?
Lets hear it! - Cerebus [ 09-04-2002, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Cerberus ] |
I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not far into it but its great so far! No bugs at all for me *crossing fingers* and having a great time! If you liked IWD you WILL like this! Maybe more;)
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<font color = lightgreen>Two words: buy it! [img]graemlins/awesomework.gif[/img]
It is most definitely worth every penny. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font> |
So what about the terrible pathfinding were all hearing about? Have they patched that yet .... i cant go back to characters that wander away aimlessly after Baldurs Gate 2 :(
I said i'll hold off on buying it until i see the reviews...and from what people say it looks pretty nifty :D [ 09-05-2002, 06:24 AM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ] |
If you liked the original IWD, you'll love the sequel. Save the world from the evil menace, loot every container and watch your biceps grow bigger and bigger and bigger. As usual, excellent strategic fighting and character micromanagment.
IMHO, IWD2 is much better than the NWN single-player campaign. It looks like the painful pathing problem is caused by bad map design: there's way too much bottlenecks (passages where only 1-2 characters can go at the time). They had fixed this in BG2, but it looks like they forgot their lesson. |
http://icewind2.blackisle.com/images.../screen_lg.jpg
doesn't that just looks lovely?... what is all the complain about about the 'old looking graphics' by reviewers! i am ANTI 3D graphics, this is just lovely for me, better then neverwinter nights.... |
Great so far and tough also!!Really hard puzzles,(at least they were to me).
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Epic battles too.
Not a game for newbies, someone who has never played CRPGs and has no knowledge of D&D will have to handle a steep learning curve. But if you do not belong to this category, and you like 3rd edition rules and the infinity engine it is a most have. The pathfinding is not that bad. It is not worse than IWD 1 and BG 2 IMHO. |
I keep hearing all this "If you liked IWD youll love IWD II" what about if you didnt like IWD, would you like IWD II?
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It's still as linear as IWD. I haven't had a single A or B choice to make in the first 2 chapters. Oh! no, sorry! I forgot the time i had to choose between the path leading north or the path leading east. That was a tough decision! [img]smile.gif[/img]
On the bright side, i find the battles to be harder than in IWD. So there's more challenge. |
Theres a far greater challenge. The ole lure the bad guys away and kill them one by one doesnt work anymore ;) Expect the horde lol! Linear? Yes. And so is BG, BG2, and NWN. But its fun..... [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Better than IWD. Not as linear as IWD. Not as flexible as BG:II. Gamershell gave it a 6.5. I complained and the editor said "we stand by our review. If you don't like our review, write your own review. If we can, we'll publish it."
So I wrote a "second look" review (not yet posted) and gave it an 7.5 (8.0 if you drop the mulit-player aspect as I indicated in my conclusion). If it were for PCGamer, it would have been an 85-88% rating. But Gamer's Hell has a very strict editorial policy about "ratings inflation." My core areas ratings were as follows: SOUND = 8 (Summary) "Positives: Great, great sound without a lot of NPC voice repitition (as Morrowind). Negatives: If your ear is two years old, you'll recognize that some PC voice-sets have been re-used from other Infinity Engine releases." GRAPHICS = 7 (Summary) "Positives: Great looking 2D graphics, appropriate scale. Negatives: The same ol', same ol' 2D problems - fixed scales, 2D sprites & no rotation." GAMEPLAY = 9 (Summary) "Positives: Incredibly stable game. Some of the best non-combatant interactions and enemy combatant AI in CRPG history. These enemies act like they are directly controlled by a person. Negatives: Path finding is poor." MULTIPLAYER = 6 (Summary) "Positives: It's there. Negatives: So what." And my conclusion: "An over-all rating of 7.5 bumped to an 8.0 if you toss-out multi-player (as I do). A solid game and a fitting end to the infinity engine. Had this game been released three years ago, or this engine incorporated into BG or BG:II, they would have been the three highest rated games of all time. If your budget is limited, go with the rather unfinished looking and acting NWN as it is the future. But if you have the cash, and you're a CRPG player, this is a must buy." |
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I love IWD2 though. Its a very similar game, the main reason I love this one is the 3rd edition rules. Micromanaging your party is fun now, so I continiously look forward to the new variety and abilities I get with each level. And the increased options allow more strategy. The endless combat is a lot more fun this time around. |
Is it better than NWN?
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Its a very different game.
The environment isn't better... I liked the look, the mechanics, the story, and the NPCs better from NWN (seeing as IWD2 doesn't really have any...). But I missed micro-managing a party, and I like the setting of IWD2 better. 'eh, enough time and money to play them both, who cares which is better. |
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...almost every D&D computer game i've played was better than NWN. I've only played a few chapters of NWN. The training, cleaning NWN and a few places after this, so take my opinion for what it's worth. I hadn't the will to play further because a) i was bored and b) i have an underspecked computer. IM not so humble O, NWN pretends to be a RP g when it's only a D&D bashthrough. Or at best a rpg with a very poor scenario (think Gary Gigax first aventures) and cheesy quests you'd want to have finished already. Problem is, combats can get a bit boring in single-player. Not much possible strategy patterns apart from the best one for your only char. Also, combats were absolutly not challenging (even with my halfling 50%/50% druid-rogue). My hope for NWN rests on the shoulders of the modmakers who might built something with a story scope similar to fallout/BG1-2. IWD2 is designed to be a bashthrough, it doesn't pretend to be something else. All the challenge rests on combat balance and, as stated in the other posts, the devs have done a good job on this aspect. Almost every fight is a tough one, and this comes from a hardcore IE fan. Basically, if you enjoyed IWD with its scores of monsters and infinite snowfields, and if NWN let you down, you'll prefer IWD2 over the overhyped, overpriced RP-wanabe g. |
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...almost every D&D computer game i've played was better than NWN. I've only played a few chapters of NWN. The training, cleaning NWN and a few places after this, so take my opinion for what it's worth. I hadn't the will to play further because a) i was bored and b) i have an underspecked computer. IM not so humble O, NWN pretends to be a RP g when it's only a D&D bashthrough. Or at best a rpg with a very poor scenario (think Gary Gigax first aventures) and cheesy quests you'd want to have finished already. Problem is, combats can get a bit boring in single-player. Not much possible strategy patterns apart from the best one for your only char. Also, combats were absolutly not challenging (even with my halfling 50%/50% druid-rogue). My hope for NWN rests on the shoulders of the modmakers who might built something with a story scope similar to fallout/BG1-2. IWD2 is designed to be a bashthrough, it doesn't pretend to be something else. All the challenge rests on combat balance and, as stated in the other posts, the devs have done a good job on this aspect. Almost every fight is a tough one, and this comes from a hardcore IE fan. Basically, if you enjoyed IWD with its scores of monsters and infinite snowfields, and if NWN let you down, you'll prefer IWD2 over the overhyped, overpriced RP-wanabe g.</font>[/QUOTE]Yeah i did not like NWN so good i also only played two chapters and i get bored with it so i hope the this game is better! But i cant get before september 29 here in this contry! :( |
Guys, you know Amazon do international delivery don't you?
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I found IWD I to be way too repetitive, and a far inferior game altogether compared to BG II and even BG I.
All these people are so down on NWN in this thread...I think NWN is undoubtedly far superior to ANY of the Infinity Engine games in EVERY way (except maybe the actual epic-storyline of the BG series, but even that is a moot topic because there are hundreds of Mods out there that the re-playability factor of NWN surpasses that of even BGII. NWN is awesome.......flibulzbuth, I can't say your opinion means much to me because, honestly, the utter coolness of NWN didn't set in until towards the end of Ch. 1 for me. There is a WHOLE lot more to the game than the petty Prelude and a part of Ch. 1. A WHOLE lot more indeed! |
heh.
IWDII isnt out in australia yet :( does it have nightmare/superman/ironman difficulty mode? i still remember with fondness IWD with the superhard mode enabled PLUS my monster toughness patch. when i get IWD2 i must make one for it as well. |
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