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Zoltan 05-24-2002 11:32 AM

I noticed that you can pickpocket Drizzt and steal his beatiful scimitars. That's too bad my main fighters got normal swords but this guy got +3 and +5 swords! I decided to reload (beCAUSE I'm good aligned) and do not steal these swords. in other way this way is too overrated or I am a stupid? whats your op about roleplay ethics? what did you? did u steal or leave? an iF U steal does it effect future in a badwayt?

Intimadater 05-24-2002 12:40 PM

You are dumb if you don't get the +5 Schimitar. Do you know how good it is if you have the right characters to use it, and if you have a little spare change why not just kill, him take his armor and his swords, pay off some priest, and get your rep back up to 17.

[ 05-24-2002, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Intimadater ]

Lanthir 05-24-2002 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Intimadater:
You are dumb if you don't get the +5 Schimitar. Do you know how good it is if you have the right characters to use it, and if you have a little spare change why not just kill, him take his armor and his swords, pay off some priest, and get your rep back up to 17.
Well maybe casue he is roleplaying. Some of use do try to roleplay or characters. Knowing you are doing something evil and then after the fact running to a temple to some of us is not in the spirit of our alignment.

[ 05-25-2002, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Lanthir ]

SixOfSpades 05-24-2002 07:33 PM

Exactly. It's all roleplay -- both in the fact that only Good characters can use his +5 Defender, and only an Evil or Neutral would kill such a hero, and also in the fact that the only ways to kill Drizzt involve taking advantage of the game's (relatively) poor AI. It's a test of your Powergaming vs. Roleplaying ethic.

Do you need the swords? No. Do you need the armor? Hell no. If you've never killed Drizzt, go ahead and do it--the test is to see whether or not you Reload after you kill him.

Little Dragon 05-27-2002 06:53 AM

you have to at least play one game with his stash

Zoltan 05-27-2002 07:25 AM

Having a +5 sword in the beginning will ruin most of fun, in my opinion. Well, you got the sword, so where's the excitement of seeking a magical sword? It's called cheating in my book because it effects game diffucilty level in a serious way. I'm a good aligned character so I don't killed Drizzt. I got a 2-handed sword when I encountered him, right now I got a +1 and I'M looking for a +2. That's my way but of course with an evil party I'll try to kill him [img]smile.gif[/img] that's roleplay too! [img]smile.gif[/img] ))

Daniel 05-27-2002 09:12 AM

well i always play good parties, but the lure of Drizzts swords was too strong, my Paladin nearly became fallen that day. The way i see it is yes they are a bit powerful for BG1 but if you are good enough to beat him an a fight then you have really earned them [img]smile.gif[/img] .

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note: If you do take them and decide to import your character into Baldurs Gate 2, then there will be consequences, as a very angry Drizzt and party track you down.

Daniel 05-27-2002 09:15 AM

P.S killing him with an evil party just isn't worth it as only good characters can use twinkle his +5 scimitar

Forscythe 05-29-2002 01:53 AM

Why don't you just let the gnolls kill him when you are very low on exp?

Did so myself and have not gotten penalized.

Sell any stuff you don't need evil ones!!! ;)

unless theivery is enough??? :D

Pirengle 05-29-2002 11:21 PM

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You are dumb if you don't get the +5 Schimitar. Do you know how good it is if you have the right characters to use it, and if you have a little spare change why not just kill, him take his armor and his swords, pay off some priest, and get your rep back up to 17.
I've beaten the game several times with good-aligned parties who never needed any of Drizzt's gear. Roleplaying ethics are indeed afoot. Killing innocents isn't really lawful or good. Well, maybe some people enjoy roleplaying than participating in the "I'm better than you are because of my gear" shenanigans.

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Having a +5 sword in the beginning will ruin most of fun, in my opinion. Well, you got the sword, so where's the excitement of seeking a magical sword? It's called cheating in my book because it effects game diffucilty level in a serious way.
Amen. A veteran of a game that hosts too many cheaters, it's nice to see that some people still have their heads on straight!

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Why don't you just let the gnolls kill him when you are very low on exp? Did so myself and have not gotten penalized.
Um...all the times I've met up with Drizzt, he whines about how the gnolls outnumber him then cleave them into pieces before my party even comes close.

Intimadater 05-30-2002 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Pirengle the BNM:
I've beaten the game several times with good-aligned parties who never needed any of Drizzt's gear. Roleplaying ethics are indeed afoot. Killing innocents isn't really lawful or good. Well, maybe some people enjoy roleplaying than participating in the "I'm better than you are because of my gear" shenanigans.
I wasn't saying you can't beat the game without his gear by any means and what i said what just to stress how good his gear really is.

Darkman 05-31-2002 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Intimadater:
I wasn't saying you can't beat the game without his gear by any means and what i said what just to stress how good his gear really is.
Oh Drizzt's gear is awesome to be sure. The problem is getting it. It's nearly impossible to kill Drizzt without resorting to cheap and cheesy tactics, and resorting to such tactics makes obtaining the awesome gear almost trivial. You might as well be CLUAing his stuff into your inventory. Just my opinion anyway :D

Zoltan 05-31-2002 05:04 AM

Too many power-players here :( Are you aware of Drizzt's power? He's a hero of Forgotten Realms, killing him is so unrealistic. So Respect I say!

Lanthir 05-31-2002 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by Zoltan:
Too many power-players here :( Are you aware of Drizzt's power? He's a hero of Forgotten Realms, killing him is so unrealistic. So Respect I say!
I agree unless you are evil you should not be going around killing Dizz.

Triconan 06-02-2002 07:56 PM

HOW DO YOU STEAL HIS SCIMITARS!

I've tried to steal his scimitars but every time it says"target has no valid items" what's up with that. Is my game broken or something?

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SixOfSpades 06-03-2002 09:36 PM

I believe you can only pickpocket Icingdeath (his +3 frostbrand scimitar), and only then if you have ToSC installed. I think there are different versions of the game flying around.

Zed the undead4321 06-04-2002 03:11 PM

I think you do need TOTSC to steal his swords.
Im not for sure though

Dreamer128 06-05-2002 03:45 AM

Well, he is a drow. Don't forget that. And every Paladin makes a mistake once in a while;)(4 uur cup'a'soup, dat zouden meer mensen moeten doen) You can ask him for his name when you pull your blade out of his chest.

Calaethis Dragonsbane 06-06-2002 09:31 AM

thats nasty; you shouldnt kill drizzit. having his stuff... i dunno, he'll get new stuff anyway, it really depends on how u like to play. if its too easy it takes the fun out of it, however having said that... getting whacked by gibberlings sucks too. its ur choice.

Neb 06-06-2002 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Zoltan:
Too many power-players here :( Are you aware of Drizzt's power? He's a hero of Forgotten Realms, killing him is so unrealistic. So Respect I say!
Y'know, Drizzy and all of the other heroes of the Forgotten Realms like Elminster have always gotten on my nerves. I wish to cleave them all into tiny bits, except for Khelben Blackstaff, he's cool :D

Horatio 06-06-2002 01:19 PM

I say go for it. If you're strong enough to kill Drizzt, you are more than worthy for those scimitars!

Witchhunter 06-09-2002 01:59 AM

Well it is all a question of where you stand. If you are evil, then killing him off and taking his gear wont hurt your morals. But being "good" is has got to do with moral, not reputation. A good person would always act "right" even if it means a dent to their reputation. Alignment and reputation is NOT the same. That is one reason I don't understand why evil characters get mad when you got a high reputation, a high reputation is ideal to hide behind while commiting acts of evil(just look at the politicians).
I would say attacking him if you are a good character will be to go against your own morals. Only liberals who got that "surival of the fittest" "to the winner goes the spoils" thing going think like that.

Lanthir 06-09-2002 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Witchhunter:
Well it is all a question of where you stand. If you are evil, then killing him off and taking his gear wont hurt your morals. But being "good" is has got to do with moral, not reputation. A good person would always act "right" even if it means a dent to their reputation. Alignment and reputation is NOT the same. That is one reason I don't understand why evil characters get mad when you got a high reputation, a high reputation is ideal to hide behind while commiting acts of evil(just look at the politicians).
I would say attacking him if you are a good character will be to go against your own morals. Only liberals who got that "surival of the fittest" "to the winner goes the spoils" thing going think like that.

The answer to you rep comment is that in bgI your rep goes up if you do the "moral" thing and down if you do the "unmoral" thing. With morals being good morals only. Since even evil have morals they are just different. However youare correct in a non bg setting that evil coul dahve high reps.


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